Dairy <> cutting down to 7%

[pitbullrocco]

thats "not equal to" for those non-programmers.....

i did a search and read everything and it seems split 50/50. milk while trying to shed the last deep layer of fat, etc..... i'm not necessarily "cutting". just wanting to "unbloat" or whatever....

currently hovering around 10% and maintaining LBM while noticeably leaning out around the midsection. diet been clean as hell......however, i get almost 600 cals a day from dairy....cottage cheese, no fat cheese slices, milk, yogurt, etc...

i'm not going into a calorie deficit for reasons i don't have time to explain here.....however, if i replace all dairy with ____??____, will that help to zap the little pinch of midsection around the bottom ab and sides?

took some pics....the left one is flexed a little bit and the right one is not flexed at all. wanting to tighten that shiz up and carve it out.....esp. the little pouch at the bottom....

thx for suggestions.....hopefully sassy will see this

 

[pitbullrocco]

oh, for whats its worth......currently in week 3 of 5x5 linear on MWF and doing a.m. HIT cardio 2 days/week.....(3 is hurting my squats, etc)

i got this far from diet/cardio....now i want to "go all the way"

 

[SgtSlaughter]

I'd cut dairy and eat more chicken, steak, sweet 'tatoes, veggies.

Milk protein isolate powder would be a good ideer too... and it IS filling unlike whey protein powder come to find out

(although I got 50/50 M.I. and Egg white)

HIIT Cardio almost always will bump people down a few notching while dieting... it can only help you get leaner.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

oh, for whats its worth......currently in week 3 of 5x5 linear on MWF and doing a.m. HIT cardio 2 days/week.....(3 is hurting my squats, etc)

i got this far from diet/cardio....now i want to "go all the way"

PM MM107 if he doesn't pop in here... he's got the staying lean while gaining power down PAT...

I do remember him doing some crazy, weighted vest, step mill HIIT Cardio while doing the traditional 5x5 too...

 

[pitbullrocco]

sweeet.....thx sarge....man that HIT and YES combined has done a major job on my midsection the past few weeks.....the coolest part is since i've been off for a month now, my weight is only 2 lbs lighter but the mirror doesn't show any decrease in depth in muscle.....just more carved in the midsection.....and lost 1" on waist.....

my goal is to be shredded by nov 18th, so i'm gonna cut dairy as you suggest (starting next week....i still have a fridge full)....that will give me about 3 weeks to see results.....

why the milk protein isolate? (are you saying INSTEAD of whey?) for calcium? i know i should supplement calcium too.....citrate or what not?

 

[ProtienFiend]

Heres an article from a good bro about losing bloat and stuff:

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=266seven2

 

[pitbullrocco]

i'm reading that now.....it looks promising.....like just what i need

K day!!!

 

[pitbullrocco]

ok, my initial thoughts on that article are that i'm right in the middle of a hard and heavy 5x5 loading.....have you tried this technique before? i'm wondering if i can just do my regular 5x5 lifts in place of the high rep, isolation exercises it is suggesting....

?

 

[SgtSlaughter]

sweeet.....thx sarge....man that HIT and YES combined has done a major job on my midsection the past few weeks.....the coolest part is since i've been off for a month now, my weight is only 2 lbs lighter but the mirror doesn't show any decrease in depth in muscle.....just more carved in the midsection.....and lost 1" on waist.....
my goal is to be shredded by nov 18th, so i'm gonna cut dairy as you suggest (starting next week....i still have a fridge full)....that will give me about 3 weeks to see results.....
why the milk protein isolate? (are you saying INSTEAD of whey?) for calcium? i know i should supplement calcium too.....citrate or what not?

Awesome results so far... sounds like you gained some LBM

3 weeks of hardcore cutting already lookin' good and lean like that... you should be please with the results for sure.

Na, if you eat balanced and all sorts of foods you should be good... it's only a few weeks.

So start chuggin' the milk you've got left, lol

 

[pitbullrocco]

awesome! you da shiznit sarge! always very helpful and positive!! damn good bro and more the reason to love EF!!

can't wait to show the progress i make in the next 3 weeks.....now i just need to get back to updating my log.....lol

"You must spread some Karma around before giving it to sgtslaughter again."

 

[MR. BMJ]

One thing about dairy is that soem people are sensitive to its bloating effects and some are not. I'd say if it IS indeed the cause of your bloat, then cut it out. If it isn't, then i'd leave it in or maybe just limit it some at first.

A lot of dairy products have a lot of Na+ in them, so if you have a sensitivity to Na+, then it might be causing the problem. Milk has this and plus it has sugars in it that can effect insulin, which can in return cause water retention to a degree.

If you were to drop dairy from your diet plan, i'd make cottage cheese be the last to go.

Also, we are talking about bloat here obviously and not continuous fat loss.

I have found that I can leave "ample" amounts of dairy in my plan until I reach 6% bodyfat. At this level, it is more about detail work, so I just replace it with other foods. However, with cottage cheese, I have left it in while carb cycling and was able to get to 5% bodyfat.

You can also add in some Potassium as well and see if that helps some.

A lot of this is gonna be trial and error.

Good luck man!

BMJ

 

[SgtSlaughter]

^^^^

Fantastic post right there

 

[pitbullrocco]

man, i'm glad you said that about cottage.....thats some serious protein there

i'm gonna experiement around with it a little and maybe try out that swolecat technique on t-nation too

i supplement potassium about 500mg day too.....probably jump it up though

gonna get real disciplined about ALA with carbs too....7% here i come!

 

[ProtienFiend]

ok, my initial thoughts on that article are that i'm right in the middle of a hard and heavy 5x5 loading.....have you tried this technique before? i'm wondering if i can just do my regular 5x5 lifts in place of the high rep, isolation exercises it is suggesting....

?

Havent done it personally but I think its along the lines of the standard protocol to get rid of subQ water.

 

[pitbullrocco]

ok, i decided i'm gonna try that swolecat article out starting thurs or fri of next week.....will let you know how it goes....

on another note, i found some of that Hood milk this weekend at a local grocery.....it only has 3 carbs....i wonder if i can substitute that and still be ok? (at least just for shakes)

 

[ProtienFiend]

ok, i decided i'm gonna try that swolecat article out starting thurs or fri of next week.....will let you know how it goes....

on another note, i found some of that Hood milk this weekend at a local grocery.....it only has 3 carbs....i wonder if i can substitute that and still be ok? (at least just for shakes)

Yea let me know how that thing works out for you. I think you should be happy with the results.

As for the hood, ive had it before, its pretty good and is low enough in carbs id say go for it. Its pretty low in lactose and they add in some extra protein in it I think (check the ingredients).

Good luck
PF

 

[pitbullrocco]

yeah, the protein is the same as regular milk.....8g....breaks down 45/0/3/8 (cal/fat/carb).

i am lactose intolerant (i drink lactaid milk), but so far i haven't had a blowout from drinking it.....and i drank half a gallon at one sitting during the texas game on saturday!! so that was cool

thx bro! will keep you updated.....cutting dairy is gonna be hard, but i'm gonna be strong! lol

 

[Ripped2Shredds]

I would wonder about the excess sugar in Skim milk, alhough it has no fat, 8 oz. contains 11g of sugar. Just for thought...Also, I would leave most red meat out, high in fat, unless you get extra lean cuts $

 

[pitbullrocco]

thx ripped

i hear ya about the sugar content......i mean, even that Hood milk is just 2g sugar, but still you have to wonder if there are "hidden" enzymes or "sweeteners" in there, cuz it doesn't really taste too watery......

i always go with the 93/7 cuts

 

[javaguru]

You could have used the != operator as well.

Some people have no problem with dairy and cutting, at least until it comes to the last few weeks, others do. I'm mildly lactose intolerant so I avoid it, too many grains will bloat me as well. IMO, it comes down to how your body responds to your diet. Only experience can give you that knowledge.

 

[ProtienFiend]

You could have used the != operator as well.

Some people have no problem with dairy and cutting, at least until it comes to the last few weeks, others do. I'm mildly lactose intolerant so I avoid it, too many grains will bloat me as well. IMO, it comes down to how your body responds to your diet. Only experience can give you that knowledge.

Or in a wordy language such as Java:

Dairy.getValue().equals(7percent.getValue());



EDIT: Forgot to declare my variables.

Dairy myDairy = new Dairy();
BF 7percent = new BF();

 

[Ripped2Shredds]

good luck...

 

[pitbullrocco]

damn, am i still stuck in turbo pascal land andalso VB? orelse asp?