D-Bol with Test Prop/ Tren Acetate?

[Vincapp]

What are you opinions on front loading DBol (40-50mg ed) with Test Prop and Tren Ace(100mg eod) Age 25..190lbs. Train 6days a week (between weights and boxing/cardio) .... As for PCT for this kind of cycle I get conflicting reports and researched a ton, yet still unsure...This is my first post and am looking for professional advice and the proper way to do it. Please help, thanks in advance

 

[Vincapp]

Current diet stats (per day) 339 g of carbs. 2390 g of calories. 234 g of protein. 57 g of fat. What do you feel needs adjusted for best results on such cycle ?? Also forgot to mention this is my second cycle ever done. First was a test/deca/winny cycle at 23. Got good results but too bloated for my liking. Looking more for lean and strong results from the Tren.

 

[Mh48500]

Just personal opinion, but if you are going for lean and strong you could drop the Dbol. My last cycle of tren ace and test p was incredible for a lean cut. I dropped some good body fat % and got a great hard, vascular look. I had to dose down my test since I eat like a fiend with it, but with the proper diet that combo is incredible.

Good luck.

 

[Vincapp]

How long does the Tren and Test usually take to kick in where you feel the difference ? Never dealt with quicker acting esters. Just the longer lasting stuff. Heard Trens pretty fast acting. So the DBol would be a bad idea adding it for a kick start? What would be the difference with it or with out in this type of cycle ? And how's my diet stats if I'm going for lean and strong ? I'm just starting to figure out the diet part

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

It wouldnt be a bad idea, just at that dose, ur gonna be back where u were puffy like ur first cycle.. U only need like 20 Mg max, heck I only used 10 once....

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[Vincapp]

Ok so 20 mg ed...for how many weeks ? And discontinue it after the Tren and Test start working ? What feelings should I expect from both (DBol being one- Tren/test being the other.... Just curious as to each would make me feel) and is 100 mg of each Tren/Test a good enough dose or should I up or lower either ? I'm just going by what I've read online. But if people have experience with them (good or bad) id greatly appreciate it. Thanks

 

[joeblow12345]

I like the dbol, tren, test p stack. You will get quick fast results and a shitload of strength. The tren will keep you lean so I wouldnt worry about the bloat of dbol too much. There will be some but its not that bad. Within a week you will notice these kick in. Make sure you get some caber or prami in case tren issues arise. I like arimadex for my ai but aromasin is good as well or exemestane if you want. Dont use nolvadex with tren. Other than that get a good pct before you start the cycle and have it in hand.

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[Mh48500]

On the test prop you should be feeling something in 6-7 days. Libido and then appetite for me is always the first signs. As for the tren, even though it is a facting acting ester my personal experience is a few weeks. Weeks 3-4 are very noticeable for me, especially the vascularity.

My last cycle I really went strict on my diet and the results werer mind boggling. I started losing a little weight at first but actually looked bigger. Then my weight came back around and the hardness is great. I did not put any weight on in that cycle but I looked bigger.

 

[Vincapp]

Ok . Just wanna get on the same page as to what your guys definition of lean muscle is... What would the guy playing Thor's body be considered (no homo Ofcourse lol) .... Would the cycle I'm considering get that desired look ? Just trying to get a mental picture here, reason I use this picture as an example is I'm about the same height as him.

 

[Vincapp]

Is the minimal bit of fat on my lower abs worth stressing cardio for it or does the Trens fat burning quality take care of that ? And will I be on a calorie surpluses diet on the Tren/Test ?

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

Personally, I dont think u need tren, u want my honest opinion, ur not ready. Especially 300 Mg a week... Why not go just 125 Mg Eod of prop, and use 20 Mg of dbol, and leave it there. I wouldnt recommend over 50 for a first time user, asses ur tolerance before diving yo... Good luck
Happy pinning....

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[Vincapp]

Appreciate the honesty my friend. Thank you. Trens that advanced huh?? Is it even worth running at a low dose or would that render useless ?

 

[RADAR]

Whats your cycle history? Tren is for advanced users.

 

[Vincapp]

Did a cycle of Test and Deca for roughly 3 months, with a Winny cut twoards the end. Worked well , but my diet wasn't as strict as I'd liked it to be. That was about 2 years ago.Did a little anavar just to get cut up almost a year ago. Got pretty strong n cut for the most part. Now I got my hands on some D-Bol, Test Prop and Tren Ace. Wanted to keep it as strict as possible, looking for the best results. I'm more active than a normal human being. Waking up at 4 am , working 12 - 14 hours of hard manual labor (on my feet 80% of the day, lifting 10, 50 and 100 lbs bags for hours on end some times) plus hit the gym to either lift or box following my work day 6-7 days a week. Also starting my strength and conditioning today now that my coach is off holidays and back.

 

[joeblow12345]

Did a cycle of Test and Deca for roughly 3 months, with a Winny cut twoards the end. Worked well , but my diet wasn't as strict as I'd liked it to be. That was about 2 years ago.Did a little anavar just to get cut up almost a year ago. Got pretty strong n cut for the most part. Now I got my hands on some D-Bol, Test Prop and Tren Ace. Wanted to keep it as strict as possible, looking for the best results. I'm more active than a normal human being. Waking up at 4 am , working 12 - 14 hours of hard manual labor (on my feet 80% of the day, lifting 10, 50 and 100 lbs bags for hours on end some times) plus hit the gym to either lift or box following my work day 6-7 days a week. Also starting my strength and conditioning today now that my coach is off holidays and back.

Save the tren for later. Wait till about your 5th cycle or so. You did 2 cycles so far, did you keep your gains after them? Did you have any side effects from these cycles? Tren is very harsh and if you have sides than you need to know how to treat them.

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[Vincapp]

Nothing I couldn't Handel (oily skin, anger, bacne) . So how should I modify this cycle for my day to day activity . I need size , strength, intensity. And I don't mind the aggression. Lol

 

[ConanX]

I am using dbol test tren and eq with great results and even though I eat all the stupid crap I see in site, I have not bloated too badly! But dude I don't know how tall you are but if you are like say 5'10-6' and you are 190 you might want to skip the tren and just go with something simple and effective like Beastdrol weeks 1-4 and Test Prop weeks 1-8. I mean you could run Tren if you want but I don't think it is necessary at this point and that you should save it for when you put on more muscle mass and are ready to take it to the next level. If you want to add something more to the mix, maybe some Primobolan weeks 1-8 as well or NPP.

If you already bought the dbol you can do that too and use it as a kickstart. I see nothing wrong with Dbol use. Just have some adex or something.

You can definitely achieve the Thor body easily with those basic compounds and some heavy lifting and solid foods. Tren will take you way past Thor to the level of freakiness lol. Like think Wolerine when he breaks out of the water chamber after he gets the metal shit injected into him...but with like another 20lbs of muscle mass lol.

 

[Vincapp]

Hahahahaha see that's the type of examples I needed to mentally see lmao. That's too big for me at the moment, but maybe some day... I'm familiar with Primo but Beastdrol? I've seen the name on some boards before but never asked exactly what it does or what its compared to, for reference. Also I'd like to up my calorie intake because I'm very active at work with hard manual labor for at least 12 hours a day and hit the gym for an hour or two everyday after work. Only worry I have is eating like a horse and gaining unnesseary body fat and getting a bloated face (the only problem I had with when I ran my Test/Decca cycle a while back) ... Is there a way do that and not sacrifice anything in diet (meaning unnecessary calories or such) or should I worry about shedding what I need to at the end of this cycle and indulge in eating like a mad man lol as you might guessed I eat a lot on the go but do have access to a full kitchen at work. Just not the luxuury of time to prepare and cook meals lol what experiences does any one have similar to my situation ? Thanks

 

[ConanX]

Hahahahaha see that's the type of examples I needed to mentally see lmao. That's too big for me at the moment, but maybe some day... I'm familiar with Primo but Beastdrol? I've seen the name on some boards before but never asked exactly what it does or what its compared to, for reference. Also I'd like to up my calorie intake because I'm very active at work with hard manual labor for at least 12 hours a day and hit the gym for an hour or two everyday after work. Only worry I have is eating like a horse and gaining unnesseary body fat and getting a bloated face (the only problem I had with when I ran my Test/Decca cycle a while back) ... Is there a way do that and not sacrifice anything in diet (meaning unnecessary calories or such) or should I worry about shedding what I need to at the end of this cycle and indulge in eating like a mad man lol as you might guessed I eat a lot on the go but do have access to a full kitchen at work. Just not the luxuury of time to prepare and cook meals lol what experiences does any one have similar to my situation ? Thanks

Its a pain in the royal ass but if you can do this bro then its the best option.

Precook all your meals or the day (or for the next few days). Put them in little plastic bins. Bring them to work, store them in the fridge for the day and when you're ready to eat throw it in the microwave and a minute or 2 later you are ready to eat a full clean and nutritious meal. Since you have access to the kitchen I'm assuming they have a microwave and a fridge. That's all you need bro.

 

[Vincapp]

Ye that's what I was thinking . Any specific meal plan I could follow ? Itll be my first time doing it like that. I wanna make it as easy as possible. I don't mind puttin in the work just need a lil guide

 

[ConanX]

Ye that's what I was thinking . Any specific meal plan I could follow ? Itll be my first time doing it like that. I wanna make it as easy as possible. I don't mind puttin in the work just need a lil guide

Too busy to give a big breakdown but have the proteins consist of very lean beef, chicken breast, egg whites, fish. Have the carbs consist of oats, brown rice, sweet potao, yam. Veggies. Eat 6-8 times a day, every 3 horus.

 

[Vincapp]

Will do ! Thank you very much. I'm gonna work on it when I get a chance ! Much appreciated