D-Bol first timer here !

[Kreepshow]

So ive got some Dianabol - methandrostenolone - from Thailand and they are 10mg tabs and 100 in a bottle .I was wondering if anyone can help me set up my first cycle of steroids .Yup my first time on steroids and i hear stacking this stuff with Sustanon will get you very impresive results. But my main question is should i be starting off with around 30mg a day and should i take the tabs all at once in the morning or should i spread them out evenly throughout the day fro a 6 week cycle or 5 week cycle ? Also regarding PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - 's is Nolvadex the defacto stuff to use or is there anything better ? should i take the PCT - post cycle therapy - WHILE im taking Dianabol - methandrostenolone - or just afterwards ? and for how long ? LOL sorry ive got so many questions just very nervouse and excited im starting my cycle in a few days so quick replies would be very very thankful !!!!

 

[youngbuck22]

You have any stats, age, weight, how long you been training?

 

[rudy76]

Holy Shit that's a lot of questions!!

Since you have it and will do it anyway.

D.Bol.
Start low to see how you react. 10mg in AM and 10mg at dinner.
If that works for you no need to bump it up but if you want to add 10mg space doses evenly over the day.. say every 5 hours.

Run this for no more than 5 weeks.

Sustanon, you didn't say what you had but if you plan on doing 500mg every week you would inject every Mon and Thurs, 1ml each day if your Sust is 250mg/ml.

Keep Nolva on hand in case of gyno / sore nips. Take 20mg every day until gyno is gone.

PC.T.
Clomid, 50mg every day for 6 weeks
Derma Sustain, 5 Pumps every day
Post Cycle, use as directed. Check the Primordial Perfrmance banners for links to buy.
Unleashed, same as above
You could also afford to have some arimidex on hand for estrogen control and possibly for P.Ct - there are mixed thoughts about using this for P.C.T

Lastly - give us more info,

diet, stats, age, etc.....

 

[Kreepshow]

You have any stats, age, weight, how long you been training?

well im 6"1 and my weight fluctautes at around 205-210 lbs ive been lifting all my life but just started getting into it around the age of 16 (im 23 now ) so this is the first time using actual steroids , ive used weaker supplement before like superdrol hyperdrol ect. you get it. my body fat percentage is somewhere around 13-16 percent ( im really just guessing ).

 

[Kreepshow]

And thanks for the fast replies i appreciate it .....so definitley take Nolvedex after not during the cycle ? And another guy was elling me sustain was a good p.c.t

 

[rudy76]

And thanks for the fast replies i appreciate it .....so definitley take Nolvedex after not during the cycle ? And another guy was elling me sustain was a good p.c.t

Nolvadex can hinder gains if you take it "just because"
Take it after 20mg ed for 4-6 weeks but I would reccomend clomid as well or H.C.G.

Derma Sustain works well - I used it but I also used Nolvedex, Clomid and some OTC test boosters (6OXO) and H.C.G (during cycle).

That was my first cycle p.c.t, roughly 500mg test ew.

 

[Kreepshow]

hmmm but i read that most of dbols gains is water retention so shouldnt i not worry too much on nolvadexes affect on my gains. ( Of course i wanna keep as much as possible but i hear thats impossible with Dianabol - methandrostenolone - ) and i am as well getting sustanon 250mg 15 amps .......and uhh off topic feel free not to acknowledge this, i LOVE rob zombie

 

[rudy76]

hmmm but i read that most of dbols gains is water retention so shouldnt i not worry too much on nolvadexes affect on my gains. ( Of course i wanna keep as much as possible but i hear thats impossible with Dianabol - methandrostenolone - ) and i am as well getting sustanon 250mg 15 amps .......and uhh off topic feel free not to acknowledge this, i LOVE rob zombie

15 amps will be tough - 20 would be ideal = 2 per week for 10 weeks or

just go 1 the first week and then 2 every week from then on for a total of 8 weeks

Nolvadex should never be used for water retention. Thats what arimidex is for (bloat) in low doses or an all natural diueretic. If you keep the D-bol dose withing the 20-30 range water shouldn't be that bad.

As for Zombie - that's why we're all here on this board, the desire to be "More Human Than Human" right?

 

[Kreepshow]

hmm okay okay, sound advice thanks man ill keep everyone posted as to how im doing on these cycles, so D-bol for 6 weeks and Sustanon for 8 ? thanks again btw ...coolest thing ive read on the web regarding zomie!

 

[rudy76]

4 or 5 weeks d.bol

8 to 10 for sustanon

 

[daveyboy2345]

3/4 cc of sust 2x week is plenty and would last you 10 weeks.
dbol 20 mgs for 5 weeks

pct--what they already said.

 

[Wulfgar]

An aromatase inhibitor wouldnt hurt starting about 15-21 days into a 5 week D-bol run.
Dbol converts into kind of a Super estrogen (17-b-estrodial) which will shut u down hard. so running some HCG/clomid as PCT should have u all set

my personal preference is to layer the PCT starting 7-10 days before the last AAS dose. I feel that it lessens the rebound effect(brought on by a high estrogen/low testoserone/high cortisol state)

 

[Kreepshow]

wait so clomid ? and i should start that about a week before my last days on dbol ? will that also work for sustanon ? thanks btw

 

[rudy76]

wait so clomid ? and i should start that about a week before my last days on Dianabol - methandrostenolone - ? will that also work for sustanon ? thanks btw

No P.C.T should start until 1.5 weeks after your injection of sust. If you were doing D.Bol only (which is not reccommended) you would start the P.C.T the day after your last pill was taken.

Clomid is better than Tamaxifen for P.C.T.

 

[Kreepshow]

No P.C.T should start until 1.5 weeks after your injection of Sustanon. If you were doing D.Bol only (which is not reccommended) you would start the P.C.T the day after your last pill was taken.

Clomid is better than Tamaxifen for P.C.T.

hmm can i take clomid and nolva without them reacting with eachother ??? Also why is it bad if i take dbol by itself ?

 

[rudy76]

hmm can i take clomid and Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - without them reacting with eachother ??? Also why is it bad if i take Dianabol - methandrostenolone - by itself ?

You can take clomid and Nolva together for P.C.T no problem. 50mg Clomid, 20mg Nolva.

To make a long story short - if you take d.bol alone it will shut down your natural testosterone production so test is normally taken to help with the shutdown. Also, test provides better gains. D.Bol is only used as a kickstart to a larger cycle. D.Bol gains will for the most part be water and lost a month after you stop taking it. If you were to do an oral only cycle you would be better off using anavar or turanabol but normally oral only cycles are frowned upon.

 

[Kreepshow]

You can take clomid and Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - together for P.C.T no problem. 50mg Clomid, 20mg Nolva.

To make a long story short - if you take d.bol alone it will shut down your natural testosterone production so test is normally taken to help with the shutdown. Also, test provides better gains. D.Bol is only used as a kickstart to a larger cycle. D.Bol gains will for the most part be water and lost a month after you stop taking it. If you were to do an oral only cycle you would be better off using anavar or turanabol but normally oral only cycles are frowned upon.

well damn that doesnt sound good i have dbol now and am starting tommorrow but the sustanon i am taking wont be for a few weeks and i cant wait anymore. Will any pct help while im taking dbol ? i hear peeps taking dbol by itself all the time . And ive come to terms that MOST of my gains will be water retention but i still want to see how much dry muscle i can get while on it the water pop i get while on it wil be just sweet to look at.

 

[Kreepshow]

shameless bump

 

[rudy76]

shameless bump

Lot's of guys take d.bol only but I would have to say they haven't spent the proper time researching steroids to know what they are doing.

D.Bol will just make you look bigger, not more muscle, it will give you a soft (not fat) big look. It will add strength in the gym but since you can only take it for 5 weeks you won't actually gain much with your added stength.

#1 rule for steroid use is don't start a cycle until you have all your gear. It would be like doing an oil change on a car but forgetting to buy the oil - then driving your car to buy oil menawhile you blow your motor because you already drained the oil.

Well thats an extreme comparison but I would wait.

 

[Kreepshow]

Lot's of guys take d.bol only but I would have to say they haven't spent the proper time researching steroids to know what they are doing.

D.Bol will just make you look bigger, not more muscle, it will give you a soft (not fat) big look. It will add strength in the gym but since you can only take it for 5 weeks you won't actually gain much with your added stength.

#1 rule for steroid use is don't start a cycle until you have all your gear. It would be like doing an oil change on a car but forgetting to buy the oil - then driving your car to buy oil menawhile you blow your motor because you already drained the oil.

Well thats an extreme comparison but I would wait.

Gotcha, thanks i think i will wait. Also Sustanon should be stored at room temp right? or cooled in a fridge?

 

[rudy76]

Gotcha, thanks i think i will wait. Also Sustanon should be stored at room temp right? or cooled in a fridge?

Room temps cool bro. Heat it up to body temp when you use it if you like / with warm water or heating pad.

 

[Kreepshow]

sweet im loving the straight answers here thanks.