CYCLEON'S T3 Cycle Formula

[CYCLEON]

Formula for Cycling and Dosing T3

Now that im a mod on another board and getting too many of the same @#$%**(@#$ questions over and over (I feel for u EF mods ). One subject that keeps coming up that many people have difficulty is with properly dosing and tapering T3.

Now while THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER for the persistent rumor that improper t3 use will shut down your thyroid forever, it is also not something to take lightly and like all AAS, should be respected. Ive come up with a formula based on the research Ive done, and both theory as well as practical experience point that it should work well for your fat burning goals as well as give you a proper taper so that the thyroid is able to recover its normal function as quickly as possible.

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CYCLEONS T3 CYCLE FORMULA

Its pretty simple really – 20/30/50 is a time-based formula whereby X% of the time of the entire cycle should be spent in one of 3 periods – up/constant/down:

RULE – 1
20% of the time is spent ramping up to your maximum
30% of the time is at your maximum
50% of the time is spent ramping down to cessation (nothing)

RULE – 2
Each up/down period is further broken down into equal segments for each dosing level with the emphasis being the dosing level toward the end of the period.

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Example 1
An example for a 20-day cycle with a max of 100mcg ED using 25mcg pills. Calculate the number of days of each period first (Notice that where the up/down period is unable to be broken into 3 exactly equal parts, the extra is put on the dose level at the last part of the period.

UP CONST DOWN
4 days 6days 10days
20% 30% 50%
1233 444444 3332221111

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Example 2
An example for a 80-day cycle with a max of 100mcg ED using 25mcg pills. Notice that where the up/down period is unable to be broken into 3 exactly equal parts, the extra is put on the dose level at the last part of the period.


UP CONST DOWN
12 days 18days 30days
20% 30% 50%
111122223333 444444444444444444 333333333322222222221111111111

Hope this helps someone!

 

[jbone]

Thanks Cycleon -- I'm going to be giving it a try and see how it works. Should I be on a cycle while I do it? Or is this better after a cycle?

 

[CYCLEON]

this can be used for a cutting cycle normally - you dont have to be using AS but 100mcg will be catabolic if you are not so you will lose some muscle as well as fat. the formula can be used for bulking as well as cuting cycles tho or by itself+clen, etc. - just adjust the max - maybe no more than 50mcg ED max for bulk cycle.

 

[Sassy69]

Here's a link to another post by our boy WarLobo on the women's board --

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=31969

 

[Fonz]

Its too bad Warlobo ain't around much here on the A
board because me and him share the same views.

THERE IS NO NEED TO TAKE SO MUCH TIME TO
RAMP UP.

Why?

Once you take more than the endogeneously produced amount
of T3(Thyroxine) TSH levels PLUMMET.
So, if TSH levels PLUMMET, what's the point of ramping up?
Its not like you're trying to make them adapt to the dosage.
They're low ALREADY.
You now have to take advantage of the T3's fat-burning
effects before TSH levels PLUMMET even FURTHER.

Cycleon, your cycle has merit but you've disregarded some
bio-chemical facts.(See above)

Fonz's OPTIMUM T3 cycle(For ADVANCED users only)

Days 1,2: 50mcgs
Days 3,4: 100mcgs
Days 5-18: 150mcgs

And HERE IS THE CRITICAL STAGE:

The SLOW taper. This is CRITICAL so that TSH levels
are allowed to adapt to the dosage so that there is no crash.

Days 19-22 : 125mcgs
Days 23-26 : 100mcgs
Days 27-30: 75mcgs
Days 31-34: 50mcgs

Now, SUPER-SLOW(TSH will be VERY sensitive to ANY T3 now)

Days 35-41 : 37.5mcgs
Days 42-48 : 25 mcgs
Days 49-56 : 12.5 mcgs

8-weeks total.

Thats the T3 cycle I always use.

Godspeed

 

[serge]

i love to take t-3 during bulking at 25mcg ed, dont like it much for fat-burning. what kind of nutrient break down to you use when you use t-3 for fat burning?

 

[CYCLEON]

I personally use a 10/40/50 - but Im not so sure that its a good idea for newbies. You also spike more than I have been willing (150mcg) then go down.

Ur program is more like 10/25/65 - time wise - but if im not spiking it so high, is the extra 15% on the back taper so necessary?

 

[Fonz]

I personally use a 10/40/50 - but Im not so sure that its a good idea for newbies. You also spike more than I have been willing (150mcg) then go down.

Ur program is more like 10/25/65 - time wise - but if im not spiking it so high, is the extra 15% on the back taper so necessary?

Cycleon, tapering down IS THE MOST critical phase of the whole
T3 cycle, because if you do it to FAST you will down-regulate
your TSH(and therefore T3 levels) for up to 8 weeks.
That means FAT GAIN and SEVERE muscle-loss

Godspeed

 

[CYCLEON]

Cycleon, tapering down IS THE MOST critical phase of the whole
T3 cycle, because if you do it to FAST you will down-regulate
your TSH(and therefore T3 levels) for up to 8 weeks.
That means FAT GAIN and SEVERE muscle-loss

Godspeed

That i agree with. My question was whether, in your opinion, the extra length of the back taper was warranted if the spike was not as high as in your plan. notice that I put 50% of the time into the back taper - now ive never experienced a sluggish thyroid after this but ive never had blood tests on it either. also tho i only take t3 to 100mcg max.

 

[Fonz]

That i agree with. My question was whether, in your opinion, the extra length of the back taper was warranted if the spike was not as high as in your plan. notice that I put 50% of the time into the back taper - now ive never experienced a sluggish thyroid after this but ive never had blood tests on it either. also tho i only take t3 to 100mcg max.

Then Yes. If you only go to 100mcgs MAX, then the taperdown should
be shorter in duration.

Godspeed

 

[CYCLEON]

hmmmmmmmm.................... so maybe the possibilities are 10/40/50 for a max of 100mcg for newbies or a shorter cycle where the backend cant be tapered as long or - for a max of 150mcg for advanced users (which is actually if u look, about 5% ramp, 42% over or at 100mcg, 53% back end so about 5/40/55) the main difference is that you continue to spike up during the middle phase where I stay constant.

 

[CYCLEON]

 

[flex4life]

hmmmmmmmm.................... so maybe the possibilities are 10/40/50 for a max of 100mcg for newbies or a shorter cycle where the backend cant be tapered as long

Cycleon,
are you saying this dosage would be appropriate for 20 days T3 w/ clen- what clen dose?
w/ 10mgs/day anavar- what dose T3?

 

[CYCLEON]

means a 21 day would be

23 44444444 333222111.5.5

run the clen for two weeks unless u have ketotifen or possibly Tagamet, then indefinintely add 20-40mcg ED till at 120mcg then steady for 2 weeks or indef if with keto or tag

 

[rugger]

Interesting....

Bumping up for more 411.

Interested to hear what most prefer with regards to T3 use while bulking. Up to now, I have heard to go easy on the T3, stay at 25 or 50mcg constant.

Could one expect a good bulk up with 70days of T3, using it 10/40/50, maxxing at 100mcg? Bulking assitance from AS would be significant (10wks test, 10wks eq, 4-5weeks a50 or dbol)...2nd half of cycle would have fina and winny added.

Rugger

 

[CYCLEON]

you wouldnt want ot go that high with a bulk cycle - keep it under 50mcg and maybe 25-37mcg Ed would be better

 

[CYCLEON]

 

[The TEST of Truth]

bump. i will recommend this to my friend who is new to t3

 

[TxLonghorn]

Nice thread guys. Nice.

 

[flex4life]

bump for good info...

 

[Steroid_Virgin]

bump

this is a great fucking discussion... good shit fellas

 

[Jguns]

one question would adding Clen to a T3 cycle stop the muscle loss associated with it due to its anti catabolic effect?

 

[CYCLEON]

not really - clens anabolic properties are pretty mild - t3 at more than 25-40mcg is going to be catabolic no matter what u do - only way is to counteract it with real juice - anavar is my cutting stack of choice, specially since it cuts fat as well.

 

[Budlite74]

Great info... IS 100mcg of T3 a lot to handle?? Whats it like! Also can you do clen or ephed while on like a 6 week cycle of T3? What im getting at is.. im doing an AS cycle to cut up.. and in the middle im doing T3.. Im a newbie, im also switching between 2 weeks of clen then 2 weeks of ephed through out my cyle... can or would I be able to handle the 100mcg of T3 plus clen/ephed??
Bud74

 

[IronFist]

I think I'm going to print this just so I have it handy...

 

[CYCLEON]

~~~~~~~~~~~MY REVISED FORMULA~~~~~~~~~~~

One subject that keeps coming up that many people have difficulty is with properly dosing and tapering T3.

Now while THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER for the persistent rumor that improper t3 use will shut down your thyroid forever, it is also not something to take lightly and like all AAS, should be respected. Ive come up with a formula based on the research Ive done, and both theory as well as practical experience point that it should work well for your fat burning goals as well as give you a proper taper so that the thyroid is able to recover its normal function as quickly as possible. The key to this is having a long enough taper coming off of it. Since origionally designing this formula some will note that I have taken 5% off of the ramp period and placed it toward the back taper insted - this is because I have become convinced that in the presences of exogeneous supplementation, the thyroid shuts down fairly quickly and so the better to spend that time on the taper down.

NOTE 1: If you have never used T3 before, it is suggested that you lessen your constant time and increase your ramp up period to determin your reaction to t3 before heavy use.

NOTE 2: Synthroid (t4) may also be used to good effect with this formula but of course the maximums are diffferent.

________________________________________
CYCLEONS T3 CYCLE FORMULA

Its pretty simple really – 5/40/55 is a time-based formula whereby X% of the time of the entire cycle should be spent in one of 3 periods – up/constant/down:

RULE – 1
5% of the time is spent ramping up to your maximum
40% of the time is at your maximum
55% of the time is spent ramping down to cessation (nothing)

RULE – 2
Each up/down period is further broken down into equal segments for each dosing level with the emphasis being the dosing level toward the end of the period.

RULE – 3
I dont ever recommend taking more than 125mcg per day and 100mcg will do for most. Above this amount is quite catabolic without hefty concurrent doses of AAS. There are those who advocate higher doses and it is feasible to do so but IMO the effectiveness gains above 100mcg are not substantial and probably not worth it, especially if you are going to run it for awhile.

________________________________________
Example 1
An example for a 20-day cycle with a max of 100mcg ED using 25mcg pills. Calculate the number of days of each period first (Notice that where the up/down period is unable to be broken into 3 exactly equal parts, the extra is put on the dose level at the last part of the period. (.5) means 1/2 a pill or 12.5mcg

UP CONST DOWN
4 days 6days 10days
5% 40% 55%
2 44444444 33222111.5.5.5

______________________________
Example 2
An example for a 60-day cycle with a max of 125mcg ED using 25mcg pills. Notice that where the up/down period is unable to be broken into 3 exactly equal parts, the extra is put on the dose level at the last part of the period.


UP CONST DOWN
12 days 18days 30days
5% 40% 55%
234 555555555555555555555555 44444433333322222221111111.5.5.5.5.5.5.5

Hope this helps someone!

 

[georgie24]

cycleon
what do you think of ** t-3 they are 40 mcgs each

 

[CYCLEON]

well, I P t3 scares me abit except for the fact that I have heard he doesnt make it - it is clearly made by a pharmalab - so it could be ok - still with such tiny amounts in each (relatively) huge pill, I would go with real stuff or something like that liquid version I heard was coming out.

 

[georgie24]

i have 200 tabs just sittin there, fuck me. i dont wanna gamble either cause screwing with the thyroid is a big enough gamble im just gonna have to write this off as a loss


(bt the way guys dont pm me asking for them)

 

[CYCLEON]

Great info... IS 100mcg of T3 a lot to handle?? Whats it like! Also can you do clen or ephed while on like a 6 week cycle of T3? What im getting at is.. im doing an AS cycle to cut up.. and in the middle im doing T3.. Im a newbie, im also switching between 2 weeks of clen then 2 weeks of ephed through out my cyle... can or would I be able to handle the 100mcg of T3 plus clen/ephed??
Bud74

Thats what most comp people are doing - just make sure that you have all your doses as needed and also that you dont have high blood pressure problems. otherwise, that is a good mix - throw some ketotifen in there so you can keep running the clen

Good keto/clen writeup (well, I think so anyway )
http://www.anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=538

 

[Budlite74]

OK.. I have come up with 2 options (for a 6 weeker) for my newbie ass.. first is your first 20/30/50 .. but only stating at .25mg to .50mg and highest to .75mg.. never going to 100mcg.. so its
11112222 333333333333 2222222222211111111111
and with your revision same doeses but 15/35/50 as this,
111222 333333333333333 222222222211111111111
which do u think I should do??
Bud74

 

[Budlite74]

?

 

[aznboy79]

Is it ok to taper down to 25mcg only or would it be better for me to go down to 12.5mcg? I plan on doing six weeks, starting at 25mcg and going up to 75-100mcg.

 

[Budlite74]

info bump

 

[SwitchedOn]

CYCLEON I've designed my T3 cycle at 5/30/65. You think I should cut the back taper shorter and add some time to the front? After reading this thread when it first opened I figured it doesnt really matter how fast you ramp in the front, if a decent amount of exogenous T3 will cause TSH levels to fall anyways. And, roughly, what dose of T3 will cause TSH levels to fall?
azn you should ramp down to 12.5mcg/day, or even smaller doses if you can accurately make them.

 

[CYCLEON]

unless your max dose is spiked up past 150mcg ED or is only for 2 weeks, then I would put more time on to the middle of the cycle - while the backside is very important, on a reasonable cycle, 55% of the time is enough to get proper function going again

if you can get less than 12.5 mcg ED then sure, give it a try for a day or two but it wont be an enormous difference - the amount that it takes to shut down natural funtion si partially dependent on how much youproduce in the first place (how deficient are you). I have noticed that people taking 12.5 ED as a supplement to their natural production - it seems that when it is over 25-30mcg it begins to shut almost anyone down.

 

[SwitchedOn]

Sounds good to me, I'd rather spend more time at my peak dosage

 

[kingcreed2000]

Cyclone, Fonz
BUMP for the question regarding T3, Clen, and ECA. Sounds like too much but is it? How about T3 and ECA alone. Great discussion fellas.

 

[CYCLEON]

there is certainly nothing wrong with using t3 clen and ECA at the same time as long as you do so with proper caution - the t3 works via a completely different pathway than the beta agonists - and those two are somewhat complamentary as 45% of epedrine's action is on the beta3 receptors while clen is designed to hit the beta2s quite hard.

Just ensure that your doses of clen and ECA arent too high to start for safety - some people even like to start out with clen for 2 weeks then switch to ECA so that they can continue the effects with the beta3s - my recommendation is to find a good antihistamine like ketotifen (perhaps benadryl on the cheap) so that you can clean them and take all at once.

 

[body72]

GOOOOD POST!!!
Body

 

[kingcreed2000]

Cycleon,

I am sorry that I don't understand. What do you mean "clean them with an antihistamine"? Sorry for the ignorance. Thanks for the info brother!
Kingcreed

 

[muscle_geek]

Is clen anti-catabolic enough to run with T3 to preserver muscle, or MUST you use AAS?

 

[argent]

This is an excellent discussion guys. I was wondering, just for piece of mind could you taper down even further than 12.5, all the way down to 6.25? Or is that getting a little too conservative?

 

[CYCLEON]

king - an antihistamine such as ketotifen will clense the beta receptors (which become saturated rather quickly with a strong binding agent like clenbuterol -this allows you to continue to have effectiveness past the normal 2 weeks that is traditional cycle

Muscle - no, clen by itself wont combat catabolism caused by t3 sufficiently


argent - you could but i am not sure that it is going to be neccessary or spetacularly beneficial - and I would rather run more of my time on the higher end

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

fonz and cycleon, if i wanted to do a 6 week t3 cycle, and i have 60 50mcg t3 pills, what would you guys individually recommend?? thanks in advance.... in case you are wondering, im running 4.5ius gh a day, 4ccs of t400 a week, 3ccs of QV EQ a week, and 1.5ccs of fina day with half a zambon a day, and im going in to week 5 monday, thanks guys

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

............

 

[diesel420]

I also plan on running a 6 week T3 cycle. It would be my first time using it while on my first cycle. My whole cycle looks like this. BTW- this is a cutting cycle. My main goal is to shed down the BF%
weeks 1-10 600mg's/week of EQ
weeks 6-12 50mg's ED of oral winny
weeks 6-12 T3
weeeks 13-15 clomid
Taking .25mg's of arimidex ED through out.

My T3 Brekdown was going to look like this.
Total of 42 days.
Days 1-2, 12.5 mcg's
Days 3-5, 25 mcg's
Days 6-8, 50 mcg's
Days 9-11, 75 mcg's
Days 11-21, 100 mcg's
Days 22-25, 87.5 mcgs
Days 26-29, 75 mcg's
Days 30-33, 50 mcg's
Days 34-37, 25 mcg's
Days 38-42, 12.5 mcg's

How does this breakdown of my T3 cycle look? Please let me know if I should adjust anything. Thanks for any feedback. -diesel420

 

[Polfa/Jelfa]

What do you guys think about running a 28 day cyle of T3 with Eca/ Ephedrine stack type..... im waiting for Clen ......then switch to clen T3 for other 28 days given a 2 month break. ?

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

bump for fonz and cycleon

 

[Latamier]

Great post bro. I was just getting ready to start a post to find out the best way to do this. Karma for ya!

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

o guysssssss, where can u guys be???

 

[promet1]

I've seen the question about clen being enough to combat the catabolic effects..........I often wondered if the catabolic effects are different for someone with like 20% body fat
dose the amount of body fat make a difference on how catabolic T3 is ??

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

I also plan on running a 6 week T3 cycle. It would be my first time using it while on my first cycle. My whole cycle looks like this. BTW- this is a cutting cycle. My main goal is to shed down the BF%
weeks 1-10 600mg's/week of EQ
weeks 6-12 50mg's ED of oral winny
weeks 6-12 T3
weeeks 13-15 clomid
Taking .25mg's of arimidex ED through out.

My T3 Brekdown was going to look like this.
Total of 42 days.
Days 1-2, 12.5 mcg's
Days 3-5, 25 mcg's
Days 6-8, 50 mcg's
Days 9-11, 75 mcg's
Days 11-21, 100 mcg's
Days 22-25, 87.5 mcgs
Days 26-29, 75 mcg's
Days 30-33, 50 mcg's
Days 34-37, 25 mcg's
Days 38-42, 12.5 mcg's

How does this breakdown of my T3 cycle look? Please let me know if I should adjust anything. Thanks for any feedback. -diesel420

i think fonz would argue that u are ramping up too slow, but maybe if he would answer we would know, fonzo, where u at i too want to do a 6 week t3 cycle maxing at 100mcgs

 

[calvinIII]

What if you would be using **'s 40 mcg tabs.
How does this sound for a 42 day cycle of T3?
Total of 42 days.
Days 1-2, 10 mcg's
Days 3-5, 20 mcg's
Days 6-8, 40 mcg's
Days 9-11, 60 mcg's
Days 11-21, 80 mcg's
Days 22-25, 70 mcgs
Days 26-29, 60 mcg's
Days 30-33, 40 mcg's
Days 34-37, 20 mcg's
Days 38-42, 10 mcg's

From what I have read here, this may be too slow of a up ramp.
What do you guys think?

 

[Fonz]

i think fonz would argue that u are ramping up too slow, but maybe if he would answer we would know, fonzo, where u at i too want to do a 6 week t3 cycle maxing at 100mcgs

You're right. He's ramping up to slow.

Once you start using exogeneous T3. TSH gets suppressed
NO MATTER WHAT. So, there is no point in ramping up
slowly. Ramp-up can easily be done in 4 days.
25,50,75,100 then HOLD.

The TAPER DOWN is the CRITICAL part.

Plus, since you tapered up fast, you get MORE TIME
of high T3 levels, therefore MORE potential fat loss.

Fonz

 

[diesel420]

War lobo,
what are some of the ways one would "feel" it? I want to be VERY careful with this. That is why I was planning the slow ramp up to see how it affects me. If It works very well at say, 75 mcg's then why would I need to go to 100? I want to get my bF% down but i also want to keep as much of my hard earned muscle while at it. Based on my previous post where I detail my planned dosage schedule, what do you think i should change?
Thanks for any feedback, -diesel420

 

[calvinIII]

Check out my cycle above, what do you think about **'s T3 and will that cycle work. Also , would 50 mg of winny be ok to beat the catabolic effect of the T3.