Cycle to test my intestinal fortitude

[ballslee]

Hey guys its been a while since i have posted, but I wanted to run through some cycle ideas and see everyone's thoughts.
Background --> probably 10 or more cycles
6'4 300 (don't have BF, estimate about 15) abs are semi-visible and working to get to about 10-12 before the cycle begins)

Cycle:
1-14 Tren E 400mg/wk
1-14 Mast E 600mg/wk
1-10 EQ Transdermal (not sure of dosage yet)
1-6 TBol Transdermal or Oral
11-16 Var Transdermal or Win Transdermal
Caber .5 E3D
Aromasin and Adex alternating (i feel they lose effectiveness after extended use, like to switch it up...get different feelings from both)
Hcg and Hcgenerate 3 wk blasts throughout
Liver protection
NTBM cycle support (cant remember the name for the life of me)

pre pct:
HCG blast 13-16 1000 IU

PCT:
clomid 50mg 1-4
ostarine 25mg 1-12
daa 3g
aromasin or forma stanzol
(i don't find all the NTBM supps are necessary, this pct is fairly proven in my mind because I don't loose a thing except some vascularity when I get off with this)
5-12 s4 50mg
5-12 GW50 20mg

Really looking for stevesmi advice on this NON-TEST cycle. yes, i know there is no test and I want to possibly try it for this one. If i decide I want to add test it will be Sustanon since it has been quite a while since ive added that old friend into the repertoire.

I want to test my intestinal fortitude with this cycle in terms of seeing if I can get in the shape to compete where I would like to be at (only gonna do it, if I know I will win). This is my test run, for the optimal next summer show.
I do not need to bulk like some others in the offseason because I am already larger than a humpback whale, I want to see if I can get below 10 percent, get my diet spot on, and fine tune myself for competition ready physique.

I have a month or two before I would start this cycle, and will be nailing down my diet and cardio to lose as much fat as possible before the cycle begins.

*don't comment on my size or BF% it is pointless and irrelevant
*don't comment on BF percentage and masteron use (i already know)
*some may use different PCT's but this works for ME and that is what truly matters

any additions or changes to the cycle are very welcomed. I have never tried a non-test cycle and I really am dying to see how it will work. not sure if the EQ/Tren combo will wreck havoc on my RBC or not.

EQ: makes me vasculaar and grainy as hell, appetite thing is opposite for me (makes me not hungry)

Tren: makes me an animal, was able to better control it last cycle with carb timing

Masteron: vascular, dry, libido enhanced, great overall sense of well being

Tbol: never tried it before, very intrigued

Var: makes me angry, but probably the better combo with mast so will probably check it out

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Well I know you know your shit bro and its well thought out. The only thing I might add is if you do throw in test, just put it in at 125-150mg ect. Just TRT type dose.

As for your RBC.... definitely give blood while on cycle bro. GIve double RBC if you can. Otherwise just whole. Obviously lie on the questionnaire they make you fill out. Trust me...pre and on cycle its a very healthy thing. Keeps the RBC, Hemocrit, hemoglobin at much better levels than without.

We all know tapering down AAS is stupid out dated bro-ology bullshit. But I would seriously consider tapering up. Just enough to avoid adaptation. Like an increase of 100mg per AAS every 4 weeks. You might talk with Ledhed about this. Or Steve too.

 

[RickRock13]

I think running Tren for 14 weeks is a little long. Most everything else looks pretty good

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Oh shit, I almost forgot, You might run a T3 supplement with the tren. OR just run T4 or Armour. Most guys say T3 but you're not trying to use the T3 for the fat loss here you are just trying to support your thyroid. So I say T4 and let your body do the conversion to T3 itself.

 

[RickRock13]

Oh shit, I almost forgot, You might run a T3 supplement with the tren. OR just run T4 or Armour. Most guys say T3 but you're not trying to use the T3 for the fat loss here you are just trying to support your thyroid. So I say T4 and let your body do the conversion to T3 itself.

What's the reasoning for the T3 or T4 with Tren? I'm just honestly curious, because I haven't seen anybody recommend it before or heard of it. I know you are one of the guys here that I respect for really knowing their shit, so I'm interested in hearing more.

 

[Jbranken]

No test? I'd really like to see this logged.

 

[stevesmi]

I would stretch pct out more. and stretch out your hcg longer too since you are running long esters.

drop your clomid dose in half or more. even down to 12mg.. extend it 3 more weeks

and swap in a couple bottles of phyto-serms (see my sig) run it along side your clomid

otherwise you will realize you aren't recovered enough and have to run a 2nd pct..

I am on my last month of EQ and a low dose of tren with no test and I am great.

thats a shitload of mast on cycle for that long, consider running it your last 8 weeks instead of the whole way to save money. i don't think the results will be any different doing it that way but thats just my opinion. and you could easily cut off caber during that too since mast blocks prolactin

 

[burnthiscorpse]

on my phone and its a bitch to get in depth. maybe steve could elaborate on the tren/thyroid thing. he and I have discussed it a few times. Led could maybe elaborate as well. or ill get back to you when im not mobile.

 

[ALIN]

No test? I'd really like to see this logged.

I would use some additional testosterone myself.

 

[ballslee]

yes, I ran t4 my tren transdermal cycle with GH and it did wonders. Really understood why it was needed. Just felt really good most of the time and helped me want to workout after work (most days it is a struggle but i still go anyway, but on t4 i was excited for workouts). I may go with t3 because I do need to drop more weight and it is supposed to be safer than t4 (not quite sure really, t4 longer half life and converts to t3 in the body so it is all debateable) but coming off of it was very easy and there were no adverse effects.

Stevesmi, I may try to lower dose clomid I just know that it works for my body that way which is why i go that route. The phytoserms would be a good addition though? Give me the logic surrounding what it does if you don't mind. I love extending the pct anyway, I always order extra for the supps to make sure I have enough and just run them til I run out. I just put the weeks above because it is a standard protocol to follow.

My thinking about the 14 weeks with masteron and tren is: I wanted to run them for 12 weeks to be honest. But i cannot stand how cycles don't match up to what the amount of juice you actually buy is. I mean you will never perfectly come out to 12 weeks unless you are running short esters where you use a bunch of bottles. I know that 3 bottles will last me 13-14 weeks of each tren and mast, hence why I was going that route.

would lowering the mast be better for going longer on the cycle? I thought I would need longer time with mast since it is an Enanthate ester and not mast prop. same with Tren.....is the extra 2 weeks really going to matter in the whole scheme of things? I understand that tren is hard on your body, so I could understand the logic here.....but masteron what is the logic? my only concern with it is hairloss, I don't see how any excess weeks would cause any difference to my body besides just being shut down longer.

how about this line up tho:
1-8/9 (2 bottles will last me that much) Masteron 600mg
1-10 Tren E 400mg
1-14 Sustanon 250mg (I did this last cycle and felt like it was too low....hence why i wanted to try a non-test cycle, but this is theoretical)
EQ Transdermal
TBOL transdermal (anyone's thoughts on this for the cutting cycle?)

*when I stop the Mast:
9-16 Injectable winstrol 50mg EOD (may bump to 75)

t3 or t4 sprinkled in
albuterol on the backend
Proviron (possibly if i go with winny on the back end)???
wildcard: Halo?? def not while on the tren


*****I want to treat this like i would be going into a show, so peaking during the last few weeks, and aiming for a week 14/15 show****

 

[ballslee]

oh and as far as giving blood.......man oh man I pass out every time. Shit freaks me out beyond belief. I don't like anyone handling a needle that is not me, and especially going into veins just freaks me out further. I get cold sweats and panic attack leading up to it, and then pass out afterwards.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

oh and as far as giving blood.......man oh man I pass out every time. Shit freaks me out beyond belief. I don't like anyone handling a needle that is not me, and especially going into veins just freaks me out further. I get cold sweats and panic attack leading up to it, and then pass out afterwards.

I don't like needles in veins either bro. But its a super healthy option. Your blood is going to be sooo thick. Pass out or not you really should do it. Your heart will thank you for the lower RBC, Hemoglobin and Hemocrit

I would stick with T4 personally. Let your body do the conversion. If you add T3 you shut off the signal that T4 needs to be converted.

 

[notjake11]

I'm on EQ and am something like 13 weeks in. I've donated blood twice now during the cycle and I can tell you I felt a SHITTON better after each time. You don't realize how the extra RBCs take a toll after a certain point until you clear it out some. Fear or no - do it anyway.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I'm on EQ and am something like 13 weeks in. I've donated blood twice now during the cycle and I can tell you I felt a SHITTON better after each time. You don't realize how the extra RBCs take a toll after a certain point until you clear it out some. Fear or no - do it anyway.

Way to go bro. Health smart.

Give double red if they will let you. You can only do that every few months though. Either way though its a great idea.