Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I am going to be doing my second cycle. My first cycle was an anavar only cycle. I am 6'2'' 245 and want to get to 6'5'' 265. LOL. The 6'5'' probably won't happen, but the 265 is def attainable. I am thinking of doing 500mg of sustanon a week for 6-8 weeks with a jump start of 25mg of dbol a day for the first week and possibly some winny with the sus. What would YOU recommend to take with the sus, if anything. I am a ncaa athlete so will be tested probably 2 months after my cycle is over, so some things I will not be able to take. Any advice is much appreciated.
cycle...sus 250 and???
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Axe said:
Great advice, i would definately use propionate instead of sust!! Also use the oral winny for sure!! Thats a solid cycle you have, if i were to add something it would be gods gift to humans (and cows for that matter)....FINA!!!!!!!!!!! Fina rocks, your strength in going to go thru the roof and you will be vascular and scary!! Consider this:
Week 1-4 Dbol @ 25mg/day
Week 1-10 Prop @ 500mg/week
Week 1-10 Fina @ 75mg EOD
Then good old Clomid
Have some nolva's on hand just in case some gyno signs pop up so you can nip that shit in the bud!!! Good luck with the cycle bro!!
Forget the dbol. If you want to kick start the cycle, then do mega dosing to get your test levels up fast. Get one of the cycle planners off the net and watch the blood levels. And at your weight those doses are low. However, if low levels work for you then it is obviously better.
Fina kicks ass and take it the entire time. This is bs about fina being hard on you. I had blood tested at the end of week 11 my last cycle and I ran fina the entire time and everything including kidneys was fine. This time I am into about week 15 or so of fina 125mg eod plus others and all is fine.
I would run...
Weeks 1-10: Test prop 200mg eod
Weeks 1-10: Fina 75mg eod
Obviously post-cycle
Fina kicks ass and take it the entire time. This is bs about fina being hard on you. I had blood tested at the end of week 11 my last cycle and I ran fina the entire time and everything including kidneys was fine. This time I am into about week 15 or so of fina 125mg eod plus others and all is fine.
I would run...
Weeks 1-10: Test prop 200mg eod
Weeks 1-10: Fina 75mg eod
Obviously post-cycle
Bigbillybear
New member
Bro,
As I feel most users do not get the true results they need because they do not use the proper gear for the proper duration... Sus 250 even though it has 2 faster acting gears its main esters are the slow release esters so taking most Test or commonly used test esters for 6 or 8 weeks IMO would be a waste... I have used gear since the 80s and in that time didnt have websites like this to read up on it, I was the scientist lol and the rat!! Over the years I noticed alot of things about cycle lengths and esters used... One thing I actually had less side effects from long acting esters in moderate dosages for longer periods of time? Some may say the opposite but this is my body's effects and everyone can react different but most are similar... The other thing is most 8 week or less cycles I did using longer acting gears like EQ, Deca, Test Enan, Cyp, Decanoate, etc I didnt keep alot of the gains and didnt grow like I wanted to... Why I discovered for me is the fact that for the time it takes these gears to get saturated at their avg mg in the bloodstream and your body starts reacting to them and you start seeing the RESULTS my cycle was close to the end of my cycle and even after the 8th week and I had stopped its usage... Now most people have it set in their mind that the cycle is 8 weeks or they hear that over and over again about how dangerous it is to prolong it etc etc... The danger comes from what is being used and at what dosages a 12 or even 16 week cycle can be just as safe and much more effective if done correctly and moderation being the key...
Im not going to re-read this lol tonight so just bare with me if something isnt clear (its late, or should I say early)... Now there are esters that will give you the results you are looking for in short amount of times such as 6 weeks or 8 weeks (recommend 8 weeks on the short life esters) however I dont normally go this route, I feel the true muscle growth is just not comparable as with longer cycles done in moderation using long acting esters like I mentioned above...
When I do a cycle now even after all these years I still get great results because of changing my outlook on how things are done... I go as high as 16 weeks but just dont do many cycles a year sometimes one sometimes 2 and KEEP the results... I use moderate dosages and just mentally prepare myself to not expect the results that im looking for until mid way through the cycle.... I do alot of times start the cycle and sometimes end the cycle with adding a good oral as well just to get the system started and get some of those water gain results going, it helps my mental approach and feels darn good at that lol especially using Black Label's orals, those are some kick arse orals I tried his Windrol (Winstrol, anadrol combo) last year on the tail end of my summer cycle and was blown away with the added results that came very quickly... Thats why I wished I had used them at the start lol...
Anyway my favorite test is Black Labels Testosterone Decanoate for this type of cycle but Enanthate or Cyp would be fine... and the dosage is up to you but I choose a moderate amount and just run it from start to finish... I also add a Nandrolone (Deca) or EQ and prefer Deca but BL has an EQ that Im wanting to get my hands on... This too is ran through out at the same levels... To start the cycle off I recommend a great oral like Dbol, anadrol, etc something that delievers quick response and shock to my system and run it for 4 to 6 weeks... and toward the end of my cycle I may choose to shock my system again with another 4 to 6 weeks of Winstrol, Dbol, or Anadrol again just to spice it up... And of course I end all this with Clomid and/or HCG but you have to remember long cycles take longer to recover however with the usage of todays weapons I have no problems... Long cycles to me just makes sense, I mean real muscle takes time to build and to be honest your body has to get use to the new added muscle or its going to want to go back to what you normally average... Our body is very smart and lazy at that lol it wants to stay a certain size and never change just function... When we add muscle its more work for the body to continue with so it wants to get you back to a normal size or what you have been for awhile UNLESS it accepts this size as its new normal size and that takes time and means you need to stay that size for awhile to keep the results.... If you dont believe me try it, be patient because if you arent patient stick to what you always do but those that venture to other type of cycles will reap the rewards..
BBB
As I feel most users do not get the true results they need because they do not use the proper gear for the proper duration... Sus 250 even though it has 2 faster acting gears its main esters are the slow release esters so taking most Test or commonly used test esters for 6 or 8 weeks IMO would be a waste... I have used gear since the 80s and in that time didnt have websites like this to read up on it, I was the scientist lol and the rat!! Over the years I noticed alot of things about cycle lengths and esters used... One thing I actually had less side effects from long acting esters in moderate dosages for longer periods of time? Some may say the opposite but this is my body's effects and everyone can react different but most are similar... The other thing is most 8 week or less cycles I did using longer acting gears like EQ, Deca, Test Enan, Cyp, Decanoate, etc I didnt keep alot of the gains and didnt grow like I wanted to... Why I discovered for me is the fact that for the time it takes these gears to get saturated at their avg mg in the bloodstream and your body starts reacting to them and you start seeing the RESULTS my cycle was close to the end of my cycle and even after the 8th week and I had stopped its usage... Now most people have it set in their mind that the cycle is 8 weeks or they hear that over and over again about how dangerous it is to prolong it etc etc... The danger comes from what is being used and at what dosages a 12 or even 16 week cycle can be just as safe and much more effective if done correctly and moderation being the key...
Im not going to re-read this lol tonight so just bare with me if something isnt clear (its late, or should I say early)... Now there are esters that will give you the results you are looking for in short amount of times such as 6 weeks or 8 weeks (recommend 8 weeks on the short life esters) however I dont normally go this route, I feel the true muscle growth is just not comparable as with longer cycles done in moderation using long acting esters like I mentioned above...
When I do a cycle now even after all these years I still get great results because of changing my outlook on how things are done... I go as high as 16 weeks but just dont do many cycles a year sometimes one sometimes 2 and KEEP the results... I use moderate dosages and just mentally prepare myself to not expect the results that im looking for until mid way through the cycle.... I do alot of times start the cycle and sometimes end the cycle with adding a good oral as well just to get the system started and get some of those water gain results going, it helps my mental approach and feels darn good at that lol especially using Black Label's orals, those are some kick arse orals I tried his Windrol (Winstrol, anadrol combo) last year on the tail end of my summer cycle and was blown away with the added results that came very quickly... Thats why I wished I had used them at the start lol...
Anyway my favorite test is Black Labels Testosterone Decanoate for this type of cycle but Enanthate or Cyp would be fine... and the dosage is up to you but I choose a moderate amount and just run it from start to finish... I also add a Nandrolone (Deca) or EQ and prefer Deca but BL has an EQ that Im wanting to get my hands on... This too is ran through out at the same levels... To start the cycle off I recommend a great oral like Dbol, anadrol, etc something that delievers quick response and shock to my system and run it for 4 to 6 weeks... and toward the end of my cycle I may choose to shock my system again with another 4 to 6 weeks of Winstrol, Dbol, or Anadrol again just to spice it up... And of course I end all this with Clomid and/or HCG but you have to remember long cycles take longer to recover however with the usage of todays weapons I have no problems... Long cycles to me just makes sense, I mean real muscle takes time to build and to be honest your body has to get use to the new added muscle or its going to want to go back to what you normally average... Our body is very smart and lazy at that lol it wants to stay a certain size and never change just function... When we add muscle its more work for the body to continue with so it wants to get you back to a normal size or what you have been for awhile UNLESS it accepts this size as its new normal size and that takes time and means you need to stay that size for awhile to keep the results.... If you dont believe me try it, be patient because if you arent patient stick to what you always do but those that venture to other type of cycles will reap the rewards..
BBB
kenpolifter
New member
Well with that said BBB how would this sound for this fine lad.
total 8 weeks cycle:
100 mgs tren eod
200 tp-2 eod
200 EQ acetate eod
50 oral winny ed for 6 weeks
And of coarse all the proper defenses for the shit we don't want.
All it's all the best. BL gear....
total 8 weeks cycle:
100 mgs tren eod
200 tp-2 eod
200 EQ acetate eod
50 oral winny ed for 6 weeks
And of coarse all the proper defenses for the shit we don't want.
All it's all the best. BL gear....
thanks again fellas. i've been away the past week +, which is why it has taken me so long to respond. i've decided to wait about another month before starting the cycle so i can continue to seek advice from people with personal experience such as yourselves. i was considering the tren, but have been unable to get rid of my sus 250 and don't want it to go to waste, so i'm still considering taking sus for 8 weeks at 500mg/per week with dbol for two-three weeks at 25mg/day and then winny for the last four weeks at 50mg/day. i've heard mixed things about this cycle and have heard that the sus might not be out of my system in time, but then i've also heard that no one really knows the true duration of how long the sus stays in the system or if it can even be tested by the ncaa, which is why i'm gonna continue to do my research before actually putting anything in my body. additionally, i would be taking clomid therapy and nolvadex as needed throughout the cycle. thanks again for all the help.
