Cycle Selection Help

[deadliftinghorse]

hey guys, i'm knew to this particular forum but have been a member at other (wont post names) for awhile. needed some professional help from my bros. okay here's the dilemma. about to get my gear for my bulkin cycle whaddaya think:

week 1-6: 50mg methanabol
week 1-10:400-500mg equipiose or week 1-10:400-500mg deca
week 1-10:500-600mg test ethanate or week 1-10:500-600mg test sustanon


pct will include hcg, nolvadex, and clomid of course. i was gonna go with the deca and sus, but lately alot of people have been telling me that the equ is better than deca with less water retention and less side affects. i chose to replace the sustanon with ethanate because i want a steady level of test and heard that sus jumps around too much. I THANK YOU AND RESPECT ALL OF YOUR OPINONS, BUT PLEASE DONT TELL ME TO READ MORE!! WHILE I'LL NEVER STOP READING I'M NOT A NOOB NOR IS THIS MY FIRST CYCLE!! Thank again for your help fellas!!!!! cheers

 

[immortalis]

I skimmed your post, so im sure theres some i missed. However EQ is going to need to be ran longer than 10 weeks. It takes a long time to kick in, and your just basically going to be wasting gear. Id say 12 weeks for EQ is MINIMUM but I wouldnt recommend anything less than 15 weeks.

 

[deadliftinghorse]

so would recommend the eq over the deca?

 

[njmuscleguy]

what are your goals (other than less water retention / sides)?

If you want faster, more noticeable gains, go with the deca.... if you want slower, more sustainable quality gains... go with EQ....

You should take an AI during the cycle regardless of whether it's deca or EQ.... that will minimize the water retention / gyno... you can also take dostinex if libido issues arise with deca.... though there are those that have libido issues with EQ as well....

 

[Baywatch69]

Test/Deca/Dbol - Simple and works

 

[deadliftinghorse]

i want fast more noticable gains (dont we all), but i wonder if when all is said and done i wont actually keep more of those gains by running eq. by the way i'm 6'1 220 24yrs old. i guess the real question is what is more beneficial long lasting gains or quick noticable gains. p.s. i dont care about deca dick, my girl's a b**** anyway and i find it empowering

 

[njmuscleguy]

i want fast more noticable gains (dont we all), but i wonder if when all is said and done i wont actually keep more of those gains by running eq. by the way i'm 6'1 220 24yrs old. i guess the real question is what is more beneficial long lasting gains or quick noticable gains. p.s. i dont care about deca dick, my girl's a b**** anyway and i find it empowering

well, it can be argued that if you do a proper PCT, and continue with a good diet afterwards.....a fair amount of gains can be kept from almost anything you take .... you won't get huge with EQ, but you should keep most of what you get.... with deca and test, there is always the posibility of losing alot of it... I personally would go with the deca....I like what it does for me....helps my joints as well, and I don't get any of the nasty sides.... recovery can be a bitch though

 

[deadliftinghorse]

also is armidex really necessary in this cycle? i'm already going to cut out the clomid because i got the nolva already but should i use an AI at the same time as HCG

 

[deadliftinghorse]

the recovery is what i'm dreading.... but if you got a plan and the right equipment recovery should never be too bad (that what i keep telling myself). i'm suprised you said that you dont get the side effects from deca as i've heard it's one of the most side effect laden drugs out there, that's why i was opting for eq

 

[Ozz2001]

i want fast more noticable gains (dont we all), but i wonder if when all is said and done i wont actually keep more of those gains by running eq. by the way i'm 6'1 220 24yrs old. i guess the real question is what is more beneficial long lasting gains or quick noticable gains. p.s. i dont care about deca dick, my girl's a b**** anyway and i find it empowering

Fast gains....test/tren/dbol...Id run deca way before EQ.....Tren will give yea the freak look....Deca gives good results but takes longer to see them..GL

 

[deadliftinghorse]

screw it... i wanted to take deca anyway. anyone out there taken deca and with a cycle and developed a good pct program to keep the majority of gains?

 

[njmuscleguy]

the recovery is what i'm dreading.... but if you got a plan and the right equipment recovery should never be too bad (that what i keep telling myself). i'm suprised you said that you dont get the side effects from deca as i've heard it's one of the most side effect laden drugs out there, that's why i was opting for eq

anytime you run test and deca, you should definitely run an AI as well... you want to keep gyno and water retention at bay.....as for during PCT, an AI is recommended to be run for as long as the HCG to prevent any estrogenic sides from the HCG.... I personally don't get any sides during my deca cycles because I run a little more test than deca... and it works very nicely.... as I said, recovery sometimes is tough after deca... I also think there are other AAS that have alot more sides than Deca.... I think the #1 complaint with Deca is libido issues.... but if you take test, you should be ok.... dostinex can also help

 

[njmuscleguy]

screw it... i wanted to take deca anyway. anyone out there taken deca and with a cycle and developed a good pct program to keep the majority of gains?

run your test 1-2 weeks longer than deca.... then, 1.5 - 2 weeks after last test shot:

PCT
Wks 1-3 HCG 1500 iu HCG (3 x's / wk)
Wks 1-3 Aromasin or AIFM
Wks 1-6 Nolvadex 20 mg ED
Optional: Wks 1- 3 Vitamin E 1,000 IU ed

This is a pretty standard PCT

 

[deadliftinghorse]

so take 4500 hcg a week? isnt that high? also the methanabol i have are the british dragon 50mg. anyone see any problem taking one a day for the first six weeks. and i thought i'm supposed to run the nolvadex as post therapy, but run the hcg and ai during the cycle. am i tripping or what?

 

[deadliftinghorse]

how much more test should i take than my dec or eq?

 

[njmuscleguy]

so take 4500 hcg a week? isnt that high? also the methanabol i have are the british dragon 50mg. anyone see any problem taking one a day for the first six weeks. and i thought i'm supposed to run the nolvadex as post therapy, but run the hcg and ai during the cycle. am i tripping or what?

nope.... people take anywhere from 3,000 - 5,000 iu per week....some even as much at 10,000 iu in 10 days.... trial and error will tell you what works best for you

as for the methanabol, I'm no expert, but I think a good avg dosage is 20-30mg per day... so you may want to split the tab? also, you'll want to take something to help protect your liver during those 6 weeks (e.g. Tyler's Liver Detox)....

Yes, you run Nolva during the full PCT run.... along with HCG and the AI.... some people will run the HCG in the middle of longer or "heavier" cycles.... an AI during the cycle is a must also

 

[deadliftinghorse]

alright. thanks for the help man.

 

[immortalis]

sounds like these guys gotcha covered now.