cycle question

[jetty]

Alright, this will be my second cycle ever and my last was done 5 years ago. Here are my choices for my 10 week cycle

Test cypionate 200mg/10ml (2) bottles needed
Winstrol 125mg/20 ml

OR

Test Enthatate 200mg/10ml (2) bottles needed
Deca 300mg./10ml

My goals are to pack on 15-20 lbs. of muscle while continuing to burn fat. I'm not going to be in caloric deficit until the last 3 weeks so I'm hoping to pack on as much size in my clean bulk until then. I'm very apprehensive about the cyp/winny cycle because I'd have to poke myself 4 times a week, but i'm under the impression that it's a better cycle for lower calories and getting less aromatization. I'm 6 ft. 230lbs and 16 percent bodyfat. I'm very muscular and already look like i'm jacked on dbols. 18 inch arms flexed. I've got my PCT already which is not a problem and i'm getting DPHARM products. Any help would be appreciated.

 

[Goldprospector]

You don't have enough Deca

You can run cyp and winny and only poke twice a week bro.

Test Cyp @ 400 EW and drink the winny @ 1/4 cc twice per day...the winny will last 5 1/2 weeks @ that amount and it will be roughly 63mg ED

 

[bigmouth2006]

I'm 6 ft. 230lbs and 16 percent bodyfat. I'm very muscular and already look like i'm jacked on dbols. 18 inch arms flexed

you look like your jacked on d-bol, come on dude

 

[Jeremy138x]

I would go with the first. The winny is going to keep you hard and dry. The second would be better if you don't mind blowing up and then losing some at the end. I've heard that Cypionate is better than enth, you should use it for either one.

 

[jetty]

here are a few pics i took 4 months ago. I know i have a LONG WAY to go to be ripped and built. I'm completely natural and have been for 5 1/2 years. I like the idea of drinking the winny. That way I only have to inject twice a week. The winny is water based so I can't inject with the Test. How much do i lose since i know it has to pass through the liver? Just curious. Hey, i'm also new to the board. Seems like a standup group.

 

[Jeremy138x]

Yeah, you reaaaaally don't want to inject with the oil, the two will seperate and I've heard alot of people's nightmarish stories with abscesses from that. I wouldn't worry about losing to much in your liver, just stick to the standard dose of 40-50 mgs a day, and better yet, get the tabs. Easier to measure for oral.

 

[AhMadKooL]

Yeah, you reaaaaally don't want to inject with the oil, the two will seperate and I've heard alot of people's nightmarish stories with abscesses from that. I wouldn't worry about losing to much in your liver, just stick to the standard dose of 40-50 mgs a day, and better yet, get the tabs. Easier to measure for oral.

NOT TRUE! You can mix oil based steroids with water based steroids. Drinking winny doesn't mean you'll lose some of it because it passes through the liver; Injecting it will also make it pass through the liver.

As for a good bulker:

weeks 1 - 12 Test 500 mg /week
weeks 1 - 10 Deca 400 mg /week
Weeks 8 - 12 Winny 50mg ED

Provided diet, rest and training are in check.

Anti gyno : Letro and Dostinex

PCT: Letro, Clomid and HCG

Good luck bro!

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

You can them..I do it all the time, and never had a problem!

 

[Jeremy138x]

Don't mix them. Have you ever mixed olive oil and water? No imagine that the water was contaminated with some kind of bacteria. If it is just floating in the water, it's going to grow more before your body can kill it off. Also, you won't absorb it as smoothly, it will have a varied rate of absorption because of the way it seperates. I'm sorry, but that's just common sense. Water will be absorbed fast. Oil, is much slower.

 

[AhMadKooL]

Don't mix them. Have you ever mixed olive oil and water? No imagine that the water was contaminated with some kind of bacteria. If it is just floating in the water, it's going to grow more before your body can kill it off. Also, you won't absorb it as smoothly, it will have a varied rate of absorption because of the way it seperates. I'm sorry, but that's just common sense. Water will be absorbed fast. Oil, is much slower.

So what if they're absorbed at different rates... This doesn't mean they won't get absorbed. It's a well known fact that you can mix oil based injectebles and water based ones. I do it all the time with no side effects