~ Cycle Options! Please Help Me Decide ~

[ConanX]

Hello brothers in Iron,

Good news! Just found a new source and yeah, I'm happy haha!

I've been slacking like a bitch lately so I shrunk down. Right now I am 8% bodyfat, 197lbs, 5'11.5, done 3 previous cycles. My goals are to go up to about 210lbs and lose perhaps 1% bodyfat or at worst, just stay same bf.

Options:

Cycle 1:
Weeks 1-10: Test E 300 mg e/w
Weeks 1-12: Equipose 400 mg e/w
Weeks 1-4: Beastdrol 30mg e/d
Weeks 7-12: Anavar 50mg e/d
Note: Can use Clen/T3 or ECA but may not need it if bodyfat is low enough

Cycle 2:
Weeks 1-8 Test E 300mg e/w
Weeks 1-4 Tren Ace 50mg e/d
Weeks 4-8 Oral Winny 50mg e/d

Cycle 3:
Weeks 1-8 Test E 300mg e/w
Weeks 1-4 Beastdrol 30mg e/d
Weeks 4-8 Katanadrol 3 caps e/d
Weeks 4-8 Anavar 40mg e/d

Cycle 4:
Week 1-10: Test E 300mg e/w
Week 1-10: Primo 500mg e/w (depending on cost)
Week 5-11: Anavar 50mg e/d


What do you guys think for my goals? I'd like to go with whatever will be least sides/safest cycle but best permanent, lean, defined gains. I have never used Tren before but it is very tempting. I've also never used Beastdrol or Katanadrol before so I am curious.

Also, PCT help would be much appreciated. HCG is hard to come by, so I'd like to use it Post Cycle. I can use Adex on cycle if you guys think this will be enough to control any estrogen sides.

Diet I was planning on 350 grams protein, 170 grams carbs, low fats. Cardio will be light if needed.

Thank you my friends

EDIT: Just added Cycle 4 thanks to thebigoz

 

[future]

Igf-1 and clomid is a nice pct plan.

Test e, eq and tren for a cycle and then bridge WITH var until your next one.

 

[thebigoz]

I'd go with #2 but run the Tren for all 8 weeks. I would look at stretching out the Winny use a little more too. I like that combination of compounds though.

#1 is also a good cycle, but the EQ could definitely make it difficult to maintain your BF%.

 

[ConanX]

I'd go with #2 but run the Tren for all 8 weeks. I would look at stretching out the Winny use a little more too. I like that combination of compounds though.

#1 is also a good cycle, but the EQ could definitely make it difficult to maintain your BF%.

My last cycle had Eq in it. It was tough with the increased hunger. Vascularity and definition were great though.

Is 8 weeks of Tren too much for a first-timer? And also on my last cycle I did 60mg Winny for 8 weeks, but I am worried about hair loss with a Tren/Winny combo.

 

[niightz]

I like #2 alot personally.

 

[ConanX]

Lots of tren fans it seems! Keep 'em comin bros!

 

[thebigoz]

My last cycle had Eq in it. It was tough with the increased hunger. Vascularity and definition were great though.

Is 8 weeks of Tren too much for a first-timer? And also on my last cycle I did 60mg Winny for 8 weeks, but I am worried about hair loss with a Tren/Winny combo.

That's why I don't include EQ in cutting cycles. Why increase the already high hunger pangs you are going to have due to a calorie deficit diet? You can get the hardness/vascularity from Var.

With the Tren, it's not so much about the length of the cycle. It's about the dosage. At 50mg ED I think you will be fine. If you're going to pin the Ace ED, then I would stick to 50mg. If you were going EOD, I would suggest that you could even bump up the Tren mid cycle if you are handling it well.


If you are worried about hairloss, then I would be looking at a Test/Var cycle. If you have the money and can get quality gear, then throw in some Primo at 400mg EW.

As an example, my next cut will be:

Prop @ 150mg EOD
Primo @ 400mg EW
Var @ 60mg ED

 

[ConanX]

That's why I don't include EQ in cutting cycles. Why increase the already high hunger pangs you are going to have due to a calorie deficit diet? You can get the hardness/vascularity from Var.

With the Tren, it's not so much about the length of the cycle. It's about the dosage. At 50mg ED I think you will be fine. If you're going to pin the Ace ED, then I would stick to 50mg. If you were going EOD, I would suggest that you could even bump up the Tren mid cycle if you are handling it well.


If you are worried about hairloss, then I would be looking at a Test/Var cycle. If you have the money and can get quality gear, then throw in some Primo at 400mg EW.

As an example, my next cut will be:

Prop @ 150mg EOD
Primo @ 400mg EW
Var @ 60mg ED

Ah yes, I forgot about Primo! Var is probably my favorite steroid. It gave me my favorite look. I'm always happy when I am on it because I just look so defined and pumped. Winny also was very nice though.

I've ALWAYS wanted to run primo since it has such low sides and the gains are solid and clean like Var.

I've never used tren and I have no idea if it will result in gyno, hairloss, rage, etc. Those sides do scare me.

Well, now a new option! Thanks for reminding me! For sake of less pinning though, I'd run the Test Enth.

Option 4:
Week 1-10: Test E 300mg e/w
Week 1-10: Primo 500mg e/w (depending on cost)
Week 5-11: Anavar 50mg e/d

I could also use Beastdrol as a 3 or 4 week kickstart, but that may be too much.

 

[sweed]

I wouls say 1 or 4. some guys love the tren, but it could be a little tough for some with the sides.
we have sponsors for hcg so that can be used during cycle if need be.
adex, sustain alpha, post cycle and unleashed can be used in pct.

 

[ConanX]

I wouls say 1 or 4. some guys love the tren, but it could be a little tough for some with the sides.
we have sponsors for hcg so that can be used during cycle if need be.
adex, sustain alpha, post cycle and unleashed can be used in pct.

I'm young and don't plan on going on TRT for a long time, so recovery is important. I'll see if I can get the HCG local, if not then I'll try internet.

It seems like tren is the holy grail. I'm so anxious to try it, yet scared too of the sides. Night sweats I can deal with. Cystic acne, bad gyno, hairloss, punching out my gf...these are things that scare me. Yet I am still so tempted since it is supposedly a gift from God.

 

[thebigoz]

Option 4 looks pretty good to me. To me, Primo and Var are just plain sexy. Lean, hard, dry gains.

I wouldn't bother starting with Beast. You won't need it. Give your liver a break and only run one oral, even if they would be run seperately.


Tren is very androgenic, so if you're prone to MPB then the chances of seeing some shedding are moderately likely. The rest is controllable or circumstantial.

 

[niightz]

If you do take tren I'd def take something to combat the progest/prolactin issues that go along with it. I am currently using pramipexloe along with my cycle atm of test/deca. So far at .25mg a day I'm feeling great, with no sides related to prolactin increase. The prami will cause some sleep issues for the first few days though.

 

[thebigoz]

I would just keep Dostinex/Bromo on hand in case of any gyno flare ups.

 

[niightz]

I would just keep Dostinex/Bromo on hand in case of any gyno flare ups.

That too.

 

[ConanX]

Ok, so I'm thinking Cycle 4 if I can get real good Primo and if I won't have to sell my car for it lol. If I can't afford it or get legit stuff, then Cycle 2...

 

[thebigoz]

Ok, so I'm thinking Cycle 4 if I can get real good Primo and if I won't have to sell my car for it lol. If I can't afford it or get legit stuff, then Cycle 2...

Sounds good bro. Either way, you won't be disappointed with the results if you stick to your diet.

Good luck!

 

[ConanX]

Sounds good bro. Either way, you won't be disappointed with the results if you stick to your diet.

Good luck!

Can't wait! I'll let you guys know what happens and I'll start a log when I get on.

 

[ConanX]

1-10: Test E 300mg e/w
1-10: Primobolan 300mg e/w
1-4: Beastdrol 3 e/d
1-4: Katanadrol 3 e/d
6-12: Anavar 50mg e/d

There we go. I think this will be a pretty sick cycle!

What do you guys recommend for PCT? I've never used Beastdrol, Katanadrol (ph tren), or Primo before.

Thanks bros!

 

[sweed]

hcg startiing mid cycle , or when you see your balls shrinking.
sustain alpha, unleashed, post cycle, forged, a lot from our sponsors. read up on them and other pos to see what guys have to say abut them, but from what I have read they are all top notch pct products.

 

[thebigoz]

For PCT I would go with:

Unleashed, Post-Cycle (Forged or not..won't matter), TRS and have A-Dex on hand.

Use HCG during cycle.