Cycle Opinions Needed

[growthspurt]

Ok Bros,

Starting My Third Cycle. I'm Planning On A Lengthy One. It Will Mainly Consist Of Test Enth And Hgh And Some Dbol. I'll Run 1000 Mgs. Of Test And 4ius Of Growth (5 On 2 Off) For 20 Weeks. I'm Pretty Sensitive To Dbol So I'm Planning On 15mgs A Day For A Few Weeks At A Time Throughout The Cycle. Also Since Gyno Is A Concern To Me, I'll Be Using Nolvadex 20-30mgs Throughout.
I Know 20 Weeks Is A Long Time To Run That Much Test So I Might Taper It Down Plus I'm Going To Be Using Hcg Near The End.

Heres My Stats-- Age:28
Height:5'8
Weight:190
Body Fat%:10.5

I'm Looking To Stay Lean And Break 210-215lbs. By Spring. I've Been Averaging About 3000-3500 Cals A Day, But I'm Raising That At Least A 1000. Protein Is At 200-250 Grams A Day. I Tend To Eat Fairly Lean By Habit. Let Me Know What You Think Bros.

 

[BionicBC]

Ok Bros,

Starting My Third Cycle. I'm Planning On A Lengthy One. It Will Mainly Consist Of Test Enth And Hgh And Some Dbol. I'll Run 1000 Mgs. Of Test And 4ius Of Growth (5 On 2 Off) For 20 Weeks. I'm Pretty Sensitive To Dbol So I'm Planning On 15mgs A Day For A Few Weeks At A Time Throughout The Cycle. Also Since Gyno Is A Concern To Me, I'll Be Using Nolvadex 20-30mgs Throughout.
I Know 20 Weeks Is A Long Time To Run That Much Test So I Might Taper It Down Plus I'm Going To Be Using Hcg Near The End.

Heres My Stats-- Age:28
Height:5'8
Weight:190
Body Fat%:10.5

I'm Looking To Stay Lean And Break 210-215lbs. By Spring. I've Been Averaging About 3000-3500 Cals A Day, But I'm Raising That At Least A 1000. Protein Is At 200-250 Grams A Day. I Tend To Eat Fairly Lean By Habit. Let Me Know What You Think Bros.

Sounds pretty good, but at your bodyweight, Id up your protein intake to about 400 grams a day, which could easily be accomplished by adding a couple of shakes a day and maybe a can of tuna.... Just a thought, I'd wanna take advantage of that increased protein synthesis and give my body what it needs to maximize the effects of the test/gh.
Bionic

 

[idcbp]

Definitely a serious cycle. That dbol dosage seems way outta the ball park of a gram of test. When you say sensitive, do you mean to sides or to low dosage growth, or both? If you get too many sides I'd replace the dbol with something else. If you get growth at low dbol dosages, which is the case with me as well, then by all means use it, though you might consider starting the test. at 500-750 and tapering up (I'm assuming you're gonna use the dbol from the start for its fast action) and hit 1000mg the week before or the week that you stop the dbol around 6 wk probably. Are you going to utilize any insulin postworkout with your hgh? I've had alot of guys tell me you should do so to really get your moneys worth from the hgh. Nice cycle though, keep us updated. You should see some serious growth. If you're gyno prone I'd have some letrozole or arimidex on hand as well as the nolvadex with dbol and a g of test. Those are solid numbers and need to be held in check. Best of luck. Peace.

 

[Lowest]

Too much test for a third cycle with your stats, IMO. I'm only 5'5" and I weigh almost the same as you, 185 off-cycle. And I don't use a gram of test yet, 700/week is the highest I've gone for only 8 weeks. You can get great results from half that dosage. 500-750/week with adex and nolva, plus the dbol, you should easily get there. I agree, up your protein for sure also, I tend to get around 250/day while off, 300/day while on or cutting. Just eat like a madman and don't take quite so much test, unless you're quite sure you need that much to grow.

 

[slat1]

I would hit HCG every five weeks or so. Thats a long cycle and you don't want them to atrophy too bad. DrJMW has a nice set up at 500iu's ever mon/thurs throughout. That might be your best bet. Get your clomid too!
I'm 240 and I don't use a gram of test... thats me though..

 

[growthspurt]

Definitely a serious cycle. That dbol dosage seems way outta the ball park of a gram of test. When you say sensitive, do you mean to sides or to low dosage growth, or both? If you get too many sides I'd replace the dbol with something else. If you get growth at low dbol dosages, which is the case with me as well, then by all means use it, though you might consider starting the test. at 500-750 and tapering up (I'm assuming you're gonna use the dbol from the start for its fast action) and hit 1000mg the week before or the week that you stop the dbol around 6 wk probably. Are you going to utilize any insulin postworkout with your hgh? I've had alot of guys tell me you should do so to really get your moneys worth from the hgh. Nice cycle though, keep us updated. You should see some serious growth. If you're gyno prone I'd have some letrozole or arimidex on hand as well as the nolvadex with dbol and a g of test. Those are solid numbers and need to be held in check. Best of luck. Peace.

YEAH, I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE SPECIFIC. I FIND THAT I GET PRETTY GOOD RESULTS WITH LOWER DOSES OF DBOL. I GET PRETTY BLOATED AND REALLY BAD INDIGESTION WHEN I USES 25MGS OR MORE. SO IF IGET GOOD GAINS TAKING HALF OF WHAT EVERYONE ELSE USES, WHY FUCK AROUND AND WASTE MONEY AND HEALTH,YOU KNOW?
ALSO, I'M ALREADY INTO MY FOURTH WEEK ON TEST. I JUST WENT UP TO 1000 MGS. I RAN 750MGS FOR 10 WEEKS ON MY LAST CYCLE, NO PROB.
THANKS FOR THE REPLY.

 

[growthspurt]

I would hit HCG every five weeks or so. Thats a long cycle and you don't want them to atrophy too bad. DrJMW has a nice set up at 500iu's ever mon/thurs throughout. That might be your best bet. Get your clomid too!
I'm 240 and I don't use a gram of test... thats me though..

GOOD IDEA ABOUT THE HCG. I'LL PROBABLY DO SOMETHING REAL SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SUGGESTED. MY BIG REASON FOR RUNNING THE TEST AT THESE MGS IS FOR THE HGH. AS LONG AS THE GYNO DOESN'T KICK MY ASS, I'M NOT TOO WORRIED. AS FAR AS INSULIN IS CONCERNED, IT'S ONE THING TO MAKE YOUR BALLS SHRINK-- IT'S ANOTHER TO PUT YOURSELF INTO A COMA!
THAT SHIT SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME.

 

[KayKo]

What's your previous cycle experience bro?? In my opinion, a gram of test is alot for a third cycle, especially if you plan on running it for 20 weeks!!! It's your choice though, but you will definately blow up big time. Hope you have something to control the sides!!

 

[AMGETR]

You're under 200lbs. Don't run more than 500mg a week of test.

My two cents.

 

[Outtlaw]

Why so long of a cycle?? 20 wks is a long time, and your basically only using one substance. I think you'd get much better results if you cut the cycle time down, added another injectable, and cut the test a little.

 

[growthspurt]

Why so long of a cycle?? 20 wks is a long time, and your basically only using one substance. I think you'd get much better results if you cut the cycle time down, added another injectable, and cut the test a little.

I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION FROM SOME PRETTY RELIABLE DUDES, YOU SHOULD RUN TEST AS LONG AS POSSIBLE WHILE USING HGH. ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, I DID NOT SEE TOO MUCH FROM RUNNING 500MGS. OF TEST A WEEK BUT I DID NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE WHEN I RAN 750MGS.
HERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU. I USE ARATEST2500. AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, IT CONSISTS OF 200MGS OF ENTH AND 50 MGS OF PROP. I INJECT 2CC'S EVERY MON/THUR. SO I'M REALLY GETTING 800MG OF ENTH AND 200MGS OF PROP PER WEEK. I KNOW TEST IS TEST, BUT IS THIS THE SAME AS IF I WAS RUNNING STRAIGHT ENTH @ 4CC'S A WEEK? I THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BUT I'M CURIOUS TO WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK.
KARMA TO YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS BEEN TAKING THE TIME TO RESPOND. THANKS FOR THE INPUT BROS!

 

[40butpumpin]

YEAH, I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE SPECIFIC. I FIND THAT I GET PRETTY GOOD RESULTS WITH LOWER DOSES OF DBOL. I GET PRETTY BLOATED AND REALLY BAD INDIGESTION WHEN I USES 25MGS OR MORE. SO IF IGET GOOD GAINS TAKING HALF OF WHAT EVERYONE ELSE USES, WHY FUCK AROUND AND WASTE MONEY AND HEALTH,YOU KNOW?
ALSO, I'M ALREADY INTO MY FOURTH WEEK ON TEST. I JUST WENT UP TO 1000 MGS. I RAN 750MGS FOR 10 WEEKS ON MY LAST CYCLE, NO PROB.
THANKS FOR THE REPLY.

i agree with you on the dbol dosage. i don't like, or need apparently, larger doses of dbol to get a nice effect. 15mg in fact is a dose i like, taken all at once in the AM. i also like your idea of using no more than 4iu of gh. in my experience any more than that and you're asking for a bad reaction to it. but even at that dose i'd ramp it up if i were you. like 1iu for a few days, then 2iu for a few days, etc., until you're at 4iu's and then stay there. ramping up gh is just a good idea imo. too bad you couldn't throw in a low dose of primo with that, even at 100mg e3d IMO would do you very well. i don't think many would agree or perhaps many haven't experienced or used primo like that, but I am 100% convinced that using a little when using test will only help the effects of the test.

good luck to you brother!

 

[Judo Tom]

id lower the test a bit and stack something else

like 750mg of test and 250 of eq
i like the low dose dbol too

good luck

 

[Outtlaw]

I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION FROM SOME PRETTY RELIABLE DUDES, YOU SHOULD RUN TEST AS LONG AS POSSIBLE WHILE USING HGH. ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, I DID NOT SEE TOO MUCH FROM RUNNING 500MGS. OF TEST A WEEK BUT I DID NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE WHEN I RAN 750MGS.
HERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU. I USE ARATEST2500. AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, IT CONSISTS OF 200MGS OF ENTH AND 50 MGS OF PROP. I INJECT 2CC'S EVERY MON/THUR. SO I'M REALLY GETTING 800MG OF ENTH AND 200MGS OF PROP PER WEEK. I KNOW TEST IS TEST, BUT IS THIS THE SAME AS IF I WAS RUNNING STRAIGHT ENTH @ 4CC'S A WEEK? I THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BUT I'M CURIOUS TO WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK.
KARMA TO YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS BEEN TAKING THE TIME TO RESPOND. THANKS FOR THE INPUT BROS!

A lot of people use gh year round... so does that mean you should run test year round?? The fact that you're using a test blend makes a difference cause you wont be getting the full dose all at once. But I think you can get by with 750mg. Then add another injectable and try to cut this cycle down to 12-14wks max.