cycle length+maintaining weight

[choco]

hello how long do you guys do your cycles ?
here in my country we go to 16-20 weeks.

would shorter cycles 10-12 weeks be great too ?
can i maintain the mass that i gain on short cycles ?
or can i maintain more on the longer cycles ?

greetz

 

[choco]

nobody ?

 

[acneman]

nobody ?

ill bite

in my opinion the gains maintained after conclusion of any cycle from moderate length to greater length depend on the quality and success of your pct
just be sure to differentiate between water weight and actual muscle gains

 

[choco]

okay thanks,
but the most from you guys use shorter cycles ?
would it better to make shorter rest periods between the short cycles (8-10weeks) or would it good to when i only do 2 cycles a year ?

whats the reason to do shorter cycles like 8-12 weeks and don`t do a 20 weeker ?

(i dont have found any stickys or something like this that would be useful for questions about cycle-lenghts and such things )

other questions:
the cycles at steroid.com
http://www.steroid.com/steroid_cycles.phphttp://www.steroid.com/steroid_cycles.php
are using enanthate or cypionate testosterone which is an long acting ester which kicks in maybe week 4 i think.
isn`t that crap when i only cycle for 10 weeks ? then i should be better using short acting esters like propionate to get more out of my 10 weeker ?

greets
choco

 

[acneman]

but the most from you guys use shorter cycles ?
would it better to make shorter rest periods between the short cycles (8-10weeks) or would it good to when i only do 2 cycles a year ?

time off should equal time on. at least. no matter the length of cycle. un less on hrt of course.

whats the reason to do shorter cycles like 8-12 weeks and don`t do a 20 weeker ?

longer cycles seem to be harder to recover from
during a period of time with pct where trying to recover natural tes levels you can have low tes levels destroying your gains
but if you use a quality and agressive pct you should not get to much loss
but that is something that varies from person to person
some believe that gains slow down on a long cycle so feel the benifits for shorter cycles more often are best
you will have to determine the best course for you

the cycles at steroid.com
http://www.steroid.com/steroid_cycles.phphttp://www.steroid.com/steroid_cycles.php
are using enanthate or cypionate testosterone which is an long acting ester which kicks in maybe week 4 i think.
isn`t that crap when i only cycle for 10 weeks ? then i should be better using short acting esters like propionate to get more out of my 10 weeker ?

greets
choco

the delay in "kick in" is in my opinion a dertimination of how it feels rather than wether or not it is truly working
however you will take time to achieve maximum blood levels of tes with the long acting esters
to avoid this threre are three stratagies that i am aware of
1 frontloading
use a greater amount of the long acting ester tes in the first week or 2 weeks to achieve quicker maximum blood levels. 1.5 to 2 times your weekly dose the first week works well for most
2 using a short acting ester along with the long acting ester for the first 2/4 weeks this is similar to frontloading
3 using orals for the first 4 weeks to kick start gains

i recomend frontloading myself but others will of course disagree

good luck

 

[choco]

the delay in "kick in" is in my opinion a dertimination of how it feels rather than wether or not it is truly working
however you will take time to achieve maximum blood levels of tes with the long acting esters
to avoid this threre are three stratagies that i am aware of
1 frontloading
use a greater amount of the long acting ester tes in the first week or 2 weeks to achieve quicker maximum blood levels. 1.5 to 2 times your weekly dose the first week works well for most
2 using a short acting ester along with the long acting ester for the first 2/4 weeks this is similar to frontloading
3 using orals for the first 4 weeks to kick start gains

i recomend frontloading myself but others will of course disagree

nice informative compendium !
but nothing new for me

longer cycles seem to be harder to recover from

yep, but after the first 4 weeks you are shut down ! and in my opinion it doesnt make a real difference if i must get my hormone levels in order after 10 or 16 weeks. what does levellyn or other "steroid gurus" say ?
is there really a better/faster recovery from an 10 weeker than from an 20 weeker ?

some believe that gains slow down on a long cycle so feel the benifits for shorter cycles more often are best

heard it often that the gains are stopping after 10 to 12 weeks... if you dont put up the dosage or if you dont stack something new to the cycle.
so the next point for shorter cycles should be that it would be healthier ??

good luck

thanks will look at 10-12 weeker at 300mg testoE e5d with propionate at the beginning or d-bols because of the synergistic effect. pct with nolva.

oh, im using testo e5d and not e7d because i think the blood level will be more regular with e5d injects than with e7d injects. and so i will have lower water retention and other sides ? Are I´m right or makes it no difference if im injecting e5d or e7d ?

 

[ProtienFiend]

oh, im using testo e5d and not e7d because i think the blood level will be more regular with e5d injects than with e7d injects. and so i will have lower water retention and other sides ? Are I´m right or makes it no difference if im injecting e5d or e7d ?

e5d ~= 400mg/wk
e7s ~= 300mg/wk

You will be using more gear. As far as hormone level stability, it may be slightly more stable, but not much of a difference. Enanthate was made to be taken weekly/biweekly.

 

[choco]

You will be using more gear.

no, i will use the same amount. when im injecting e5d i will use not so much, so it is the same as i use e7d but more !
i have a pc programm where i can input what im taking and how much days are between the injects. for example when im using 250mg e5d the blood level will be more regular then with 350mg e7d. with both injects i have the same amount of juice every week, but the table says my blood levels will be more constant with an e5d inject. the up and downs are not so high.
so i will have lower water retention and other sides ?

 

[silver_shadow]

yep, but after the first 4 weeks you are shut down ! and in my opinion it doesnt make a real difference if i must get my hormone levels in order after 10 or 16 weeks. what does levellyn or other "steroid gurus" say ?
is there really a better/faster recovery from an 10 weeker than from an 20 weeker ?

i'm no steroid guru but this is what i know: yes, it is true that after 4 weeks (not sure where that came from, but i suppose it is roughly true, give or take) you will start shutting down. it's not like at this stage the boys go off to sleep altogether, but they do start to fall asleep. the longer you are on, the deeper the sleep gets and it does get more and more difficult to get them fully awake again. now all people are different, and also each person changes so that no one rule applies to all people all of the time, but by and large cycles of greater length make recovery more difficult. i personally haven't tried anything more than 12 weeks although i'd love to be on more often - the feeling you get on test is awesome, strength, powerful orgasms etc, but i don't want to find out by experimentation how well my nuts are going to recover from a longer cycle