Cycle critique needed...

[The Alpha...]

Lookin for some critique and or suggestions for my current cycle.
30 yrs old (8yrs exp) 5'10 245lbs 10%

T prop 100mg eod (16 wks)
NPP 100mg eod (16 wks)
Masteron 100mg eod (10 wks)
EQ 400mg p/ wk (16 wks)
Clen 80mcg ed (3 wks on 2 wks off)

Letrozole .25 mg ed (wks 4-8 and 12-16)
Hcg 500iu p/ wk (wks 4-8 and 14-17)
N2 guard.

 

[Ripp42]

Lookin for some critique and or suggestions for my current cycle.
30 yrs old (8yrs exp) 5'10 245lbs 10%

T prop 100mg eod (16 wks)
NPP 100mg eod (16 wks)
Masteron 100mg eod (10 wks)
EQ 400mg p/ wk (16 wks)
Clen 80mcg ed (3 wks on 2 wks off)

Letrozole .25 mg ed (wks 4-8 and 12-16)
Hcg 500iu p/ wk (wks 4-8 and 14-17)
N2 guard.

Dude! Do you really need AAS!? 245@10% bf! Wow!!! Well I guess thats still 24.5 lbs of fat. But still.

Pics?

The only thing Id change is run adex instead of letro bn known side effect libido loss/erectile dysfuntion.

Id like to see fish/krill oil in there 9000mg ed.

Wheres your pct?

Imo 16wk soooo long id run sus if applicable ( cant spell well sorry ). That way you get the short esters with long and can drop test same time as eq and start pct.

Would like to see you diet too. You've been doin something rite!

 

[Ripp42]

Hv you ran clen?

S:/- sux for me. Makes me hungery.

 

[Arabian]

That cycle looks sweet Alpha.You should make some solid quality gains on this. My only suggestion would be some Hcgenerate during and Post cycle during your PCT. Otherwise it looks fantastic

 

[The Alpha...]

I say about 10% but honestly closer to 15 maybe. Still can't get rid of the gut completely. I do take 1000mg of fish oil ed. I don't know why but here lately it's been hard as hell to eat a lot. Find myself only being able to chug protein shakes. So the carb and calorie intake isn't that high like it should. Typical day looks like this..
6:45 protein shake (1 scoop hydrolized isofire mixed with 8 oz of egg whites.
8:00 oatmeal and yogurt
10:30 protein shake (mixed with water)
12:30 lunch chicken or turkey breast with brown rice
3:00 protein shake (mixed with water)
5:00 protein shot and hemo rage before workout
7:00 dinner (4 eggs 3 pieces turkey bacon and wheat toast)
10:00 protein shake (egg whites) right before bed.

 

[Ripp42]

I say about 10% but honestly closer to 15 maybe. Still can't get rid of the gut completely. I do take 1000mg of fish oil ed. I don't know why but here lately it's been hard as hell to eat a lot. Find myself only being able to chug protein shakes. So the carb and calorie intake isn't that high like it should. Typical day looks like this..
6:45 protein shake (1 scoop hydrolized isofire mixed with 8 oz of egg whites.
8:00 oatmeal and yogurt
10:30 protein shake (mixed with water)
12:30 lunch chicken or turkey breast with brown rice
3:00 protein shake (mixed with water)
5:00 protein shot and hemo rage before workout
7:00 dinner (4 eggs 3 pieces turkey bacon and wheat toast)
10:00 protein shake (egg whites) right before bed.

Yea, this where I strugle diet. That makes the magic. Your probly in the same boat as me. Am 226,30yrs,13-15 bf

All I can say is diet and fasted cardio.

I ran prop, cyp, eq, var, clen, t3 stayed same weight all tho I think am prob 13-14 bf now I can see the difference alot abs are showing I may be lower than I think but the biggest part of my stomach is 35" dam love handles!

Eq takes forever to kick in! 10 weeks and still nada

 

[The Alpha...]

Yeah that 1 thing I hate about EQ. I pretty much hate and stay away from all slow acting oils.. I usually put prop and npp with every stack. Never really had the significant gains or changes with var or tbol! Oh and my downfall is cardio! I hate it... Rather get shot in the face than spend 30 minutes on a treadmill

 

[Ripp42]

Yeah that 1 thing I hate about EQ. I pretty much hate and stay away from all slow acting oils.. I usually put prop and npp with every stack. Never really had the significant gains or changes with var or tbol! Oh and my downfall is cardio! I hate it... Rather get shot in the face than spend 30 minutes on a treadmill

Lol

Youve used eq b4?

 

[The Alpha...]

This is my second time... Have u ever used a hybrid or compound oil?

 

[RADAR]

I say about 10% but honestly closer to 15 maybe. Still can't get rid of the gut completely. I do take 1000mg of fish oil ed. I don't know why but here lately it's been hard as hell to eat a lot. Find myself only being able to chug protein shakes. So the carb and calorie intake isn't that high like it should. Typical day looks like this..
6:45 protein shake (1 scoop hydrolized isofire mixed with 8 oz of egg whites.
8:00 oatmeal and yogurt
10:30 protein shake (mixed with water)
12:30 lunch chicken or turkey breast with brown rice
3:00 protein shake (mixed with water)
5:00 protein shot and hemo rage before workout
7:00 dinner (4 eggs 3 pieces turkey bacon and wheat toast)
10:00 protein shake (egg whites) right before bed.

The diet could use some work, i also notice theres no source of Omega 3 and micro nutrients from real food.

 

[The Alpha...]

I do take about 2400mg of fish oil a day... For some reason it's been hard for me to eat solids, have no idea why?? Any suggestions?

 

[UA_Iron]

I'd switch the test for a longer ester. You could also get mast enanthate. That's my preference as being a pin cushion (for oils at least) sucks.

 

[gatemoney]

I do take about 2400mg of fish oil a day... For some reason it's been hard for me to eat solids, have no idea why?? Any suggestions?

Your own eq and can't eat?
Are you serious?
I ran eq on my second cycle, I went shopping on a weekend for my week's worth of food like I usually do. I was about 4 or 5 weeks into the cycle, later that day something came over me, I walked in the kitchen open the refrigerator and started eating. Next thing I know ,I had literally, without exaggeration eaten an entire weeks worth of food.
I pride myself on being able to keep a strict clean diet without cheating!
EQ Broke me like a little bitch!
I could not control myself but I guess we all react a little differently 2 different compounds. it stayed like that the rest of the cycle, it was nuts I was going broke eating.
Wait a few weeks maybe that side will kick in for you. Not to mention you can buy a lot a real food for all that protein powder and other bullshit you're drinking.
Scrambled eggs go down pretty easy, lots of protein and good fat. Tilapia as well and they are both cheap and readily accessible. Ever eat quinoa? It cooks faster and digest easier than brown rice. Just a few suggestions, good luck

 

[The Alpha...]

UA- ur right about switching over and mast E would be a great help if it wasn't so damn impossible to get ahold of...

 

[The Alpha...]

Gate-

I am on EQ for a few weeks now and no joke I'm having complications with eating. It's weird I know... Almost feels like I'm on 60mg a day of dbol the way my appetite is going... I'm thinking it has a lot to do with the OLM compound I'm on... Never used the hybrids before, I just figured getting 100mgs each of all 3 (prop npp mast) in 1 ml shot would be better than combining them all together myself... Maybe not bc they leave serious painful knots... Even after I heat the oil up?? Either way I'm thinking that's what's f'n up my diet.

 

[Ripp42]

This is my second time... Have u ever used a hybrid or compound oil?

Dont know what hybrid is. Using oil compound.

 

[Ripp42]

Your own eq and can't eat?
Are you serious?
I ran eq on my second cycle, I went shopping on a weekend for my week's worth of food like I usually do. I was about 4 or 5 weeks into the cycle, later that day something came over me, I walked in the kitchen open the refrigerator and started eating. Next thing I know ,I had literally, without exaggeration eaten an entire weeks worth of food.
I pride myself on being able to keep a strict clean diet without cheating!
EQ Broke me like a little bitch!
I could not control myself but I guess we all react a little differently 2 different compounds. it stayed like that the rest of the cycle, it was nuts I was going broke eating.
Wait a few weeks maybe that side will kick in for you. Not to mention you can buy a lot a real food for all that protein powder and other bullshit you're drinking.
Scrambled eggs go down pretty easy, lots of protein and good fat. Tilapia as well and they are both cheap and readily accessible. Ever eat quinoa? It cooks faster and digest easier than brown rice. Just a few suggestions, good luck

Not everyone reacts the same. I dont hv an explosive appettite eigther

 

[The Alpha...]

Syntrop makes what they call hybrid oils... What I have been on is OLM300 which is 100mg each of prop npp and masteron per ml. They have numerous types of blends... I'm curious to try the EQC which is 200mg test cyp, 200mg EQ and 100mg tren A per ml..

 

[gatemoney]

Syntrop makes what they call hybrid oils... What I have been on is OLM300 which is 100mg each of prop npp and masteron per ml. They have numerous types of blends... I'm curious to try the EQC which is 200mg test cyp, 200mg EQ and 100mg tren A per ml..

Starting to see more and more of these blends,pre made cycles.
Don't know what to think about this...sounds like a good idea...

 

[The Alpha...]

Theoretically speaking it does sound like a good idea. The OLM is the only 1 I've tried so far... Getting great increase in strength and have been shedding some BF but it's so f'n brutal... The softball size knots and test flu the following day after shots is starting to be a beating. I've used all 3 products from same lab and combined them myself with no issues or irritations... But with this blend is a different story... Still can't find a way to reduce the inflammation either

 

[gatemoney]

I've used all 3 products from same lab and combined them myself with no issues or irritations... But with this blend is a different story... Still can't find a way to reduce the inflammation either

Your not the first person to make this exact statement about a blend.
That and a few other things make them suspect.

 

[The Alpha...]

Gate- care to elaborate? I don't doubt the gear is legit, its very clear to me that it is. My uncertainty is why the sever irritations and aftermath of every single shot? One would assume that my body would have developed a tolerance to it by now similar to the tren knots and how they get smaller and less irritated after your body becomes accustomed to them over time. I'm just now lookin for any suggestions as to why and or how to prevent or even lessen the irritations.

 

[gatemoney]

Gate- care to elaborate? I don't doubt the gear is legit, its very clear to me that it is. My uncertainty is why the sever irritations and aftermath of every single shot? One would assume that my body would have developed a tolerance to it by now similar to the tren knots and how they get smaller and less irritated after your body becomes accustomed to them over time. I'm just now lookin for any suggestions as to why and or how to prevent or even lessen the irritations.

I'm agreeing with you 100 percent.
I'm not saying your gear is a bunk at all.
I just think it's weird that you can buy all 3 compounds separately and not have any problem. But when people use the blends there is always a lot of pin pain it seems. There was another guy that starting a thread with andromix who had the same exact problem,he didn't even make it a week before he gave up and switched to test e.
Like you said usually we just have a little pain when we first start the cycle then we get use to it. But these blends seem to be off the chart!
I was just agreeing with you and making an observation that's all.
I've never ran fast acting esters before but was planning to for my next cycle.
Sust 270 Which has 3 fast acting esters And 5 total esters. Now I'm a little weary After reading more than a few threads About the intolerable pin pain.
I wish I had something to tell you that would help,i use the glute and the delt and the pain is minimal.
Maybe you should start a new thread about it. Someone with experience with the blends maybe able to help.
Good luck.

 

[The Alpha...]

Gate- No worries at all bro, I wasn't under the impression you were implying anything at all! From over 8 yrs experience most of which were all slow acting (test e / sus / deca). Up until this past year I switched to fast acting and have been using test prop as my base. I've went with npp, var, tren and masteron thru several different cycles and never had this type of reaction with any fast esters. I think I had more pain with test e than anything in my experience up until now. The only description I can give about my issues is if you have ever tried test suspension its exactly like that but rather than a golf ball size lump it's more a softball sized with the blend. In short I think I've been more impressed with the fast acting plan to stick with that route from now on. The only slow oil I use now is EQ which is gotta be the slowest of slow... More like snail f'n slowwwwwww.

 

[Ripp42]

I'm agreeing with you 100 percent.
I'm not saying your gear is a bunk at all.
I just think it's weird that you can buy all 3 compounds separately and not have any problem. But when people use the blends there is always a lot of pin pain it seems. There was another guy that starting a thread with andromix who had the same exact problem,he didn't even make it a week before he gave up and switched to test e.
Like you said usually we just have a little pain when we first start the cycle then we get use to it. But these blends seem to be off the chart!
I was just agreeing with you and making an observation that's all.
I've never ran fast acting esters before but was planning to for my next cycle.
Sust 270 Which has 3 fast acting esters And 5 total esters. Now I'm a little weary After reading more than a few threads About the intolerable pin pain.
I wish I had something to tell you that would help,i use the glute and the delt and the pain is minimal.
Maybe you should start a new thread about it. Someone with experience with the blends maybe able to help.
Good luck.

Yes, you can buy seperate. In this matter you mixing a bunch of short esters all in one! 300mg at 1ml. Prop itself isnt very soulable at all infact it crashes in the muscle when injected with 24-48 hours.

Look up Prop pain. NPP is anther one. Shorter the ester = more pain. To where as you would have 100mg at 1ml of prop now your taking 3 compounds @100x3!= 300 in one area of your body.

This is how it works 1000mg divided by 10 = 100mg per 1ml with one gram of powder.

In this case we have not one gram of powder we hv 03 so 3000mg divide by 10 is 300mg per shot and weve took the compounds that hurt the most and put them into one bottle!=dumb imo

 

[The Alpha...]

Oh, on another note regarding the blends; according to the lab tech this type of blend is found to be irritant towards 95% of people bc of its potency. The way the esters are formed unless its heated before injection the ester won't bind in the muscle and they immediately crystalize and cause the swelling and pain which makes sense bc that's pretty much what suspension does. The only thing that does throw me off about that comment is that suspension has no esters at all which is why it's so painful so how can the blend be so similar? This is info relayed to me from the mfg but we all know they wouldn't tell me if it had an overdose of alcohol or anyother substance...

 

[The Alpha...]

Rip- you have a very valid point, don't disagree at all. The blend is a new one to me so I thought I'd give it a shot more for the convenience matter. I am well aware of the prop pain read all about it, odd thing is I've never had any issues with prop, npp or mast when separate or personally combined into the same pin. I've had worse experience with test e than prop. I shoot 1 ml (OLM) on Mondays and Friday's in each glute. And I shoot 1 ml each of prop and npp separate on weds in delts or quads and don't feel a thing from the weds shot... It's like night and day difference. My buddy got the OLM and only made it thru 2 wks before he gave up... He's a pussy...

 

[Ripp42]

Rip- you have a very valid point, don't disagree at all. The blend is a new one to me so I thought I'd give it a shot more for the convenience matter. I am well aware of the prop pain read all about it, odd thing is I've never had any issues with prop, npp or mast when separate or personally combined into the same pin. I've had worse experience with test e than prop. I shoot 1 ml (OLM) on Mondays and Friday's in each glute. And I shoot 1 ml each of prop and npp separate on weds in delts or quads and don't feel a thing from the weds shot... It's like night and day difference. My buddy got the OLM and only made it thru 2 wks before he gave up... He's a pussy...

Yea, its just depends on person. I get 0 prop pain but some say their crippled from it.

300mg imo is just alot in one site. Wonder what kind of oil they use. You could mix (cany spell this) tryethalenine but you'll weakin the dosage ah little.

 

[The Alpha...]

Again, valid point! You may be on to something here. I've never really looked at the situation from a mg standpoint. I looked at it as only shooting 1ml period. I wouldn't recommend putting 3 ml in 1 spot so it's really not much different putting 300mg in 1 spot! The potency has a lot to do with it... I'm wondering if it would change much if I put 1/4 ml in 4 different locations at once? I may try that Friday just hate to pin 4 f'n times

 

[gatemoney]

Yes, you can buy seperate. In this matter you mixing a bunch of short esters all in one! 300mg at 1ml. Prop itself isnt very soulable at all infact it crashes in the muscle when injected with 24-48 hours.

Look up Prop pain. NPP is anther one. Shorter the ester = more pain. To where as you would have 100mg at 1ml of prop now your taking 3 compounds @100x3!= 300 in one area of your body.

This is how it works 1000mg divided by 10 = 100mg per 1ml with one gram of powder.

In this case we have not one gram of powder we hv 03 so 3000mg divide by 10 is 300mg per shot and weve took the compounds that hurt the most and put them into one bottle!=dumb imo

Good one bro, that makes alot of sense.
I never thought about it that way either.

 

[Ripp42]

Just slit the dose. 1/2ml x 2 different sites this will gv you 150mg x ea area cause you gotta go eod or min. X 3 ah week due to short esters. You can also heat it up before inject ah little too.

 

[The Alpha...]

I do go eod... But it goes like this;
Mon Am 1ml OLM blend
1ml eq

Weds Am 1ml prop 2ml npp

Fri am 1ml OLM and 1ml eq
Totals out to
300mg prop
400mg npp
200mg mast
400mg eq
P/wk

 

[The Alpha...]

Any adjustments or suggested tweaks? I know different different strokes for different folks but I'm always open to like minds opinions...