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Been cycling for about 3 years now training for 6,

Current Cycle

Weeks 1-12 400mg of test e every 5 days
Weeks 1-12 300mg tren enanthate every 5 days
Weeks 1-4 30mg dbol ed
Weeks 8-12 60mg anavar ed
Weeks 12-14 nolvadex 20mg ed as am prone to gyno
Weeks 14-18 hcg clomid nolvadex double strength clen, ripped freak arimidex
Week 19 holiday which is why cutting up slightly in pct and losing as much water as possible

Any thoughts ideas
 
be careful w/ nolva after tren
you should be taking something for the tren sides like forma/caber/prami
ending tren and test at the same time can be risky as the tren effects can linger around a while... ESPECIALLY if you are not taking something like forma/caber/prami
thats a lot of orals for 1 cycle
i hate clen especially in pct.
 
I no its a lot of orals but the liv52's work really well and I tend to drink around 5 litres of water every day.

The main thing thats got me thinkin is if I'll be able to cut up so close to finishing a cycle, usually I just eat as much protien and take in as many calories as poss to keep the gains but tend to pick up a bit of body fat from cutting out the cardio I'm in limbo really all cus the dumb ass mrs wants a holiday so soon lol :-(
 
your liver your problem.. good luck.. i hope its worth the risk to you..

still do some research on what can happen when you combine TREN with nolva
 
You never use nolvadex with tren. Tren causes progesterone side effects, nolva is a selective estrogen recepetor modulator. You need forma/prami to counter them sides, not nolva.

Clomid is also a SERM, so why take that with nolvadex?? They are one and the same. PCT is weak bro, as is on cycle support i feel (well its non existant)

I don't like your cycle one bit. If i were you i would go back to the drawing board. Unless you want some acne and gyno for your holiday. . . .
 
That's funny because I always use nolvadex with tren the one time I didn't I ended up with a lump behind my left nipple but then when I started using nolvadex it shrunk then sum arimidex completely got rid of it, which is y I do wot works for me as for not having any cycle support I only mention what I'm taking at the moment I just assumed everyone always has arimidex and letro on hand and the reason I use clomid is because unlike tamoxifen it helps clear your receptors out which is probably why I have never suffered any acne at all not on my face back chest any where
 
We/I don't assume anything. If its not listed in your cycle, then i assume your not taking it.

I'd like another bro to chime in about this tren/nolva issue. . .
 
Yeah I would also like to find out off maybe sum one with experience using tren like I said tho I do wot works for me an if it ent broke I ent going to try an fix it but am open and welcome to all comments on the matter
 
gotta use caber/prami when you use deca or tren.. you developed the lump cause of the spike in prolactin. yes the nolva helped solve that issue but you should be able to prevent it from the start.

also the nolva/clomid PCT is kinda old school.. have you recovered from your past cycles on it? did u feel good on pct? there are better pct's out there that won't make you feel blah... i would never use nolva with tren or deca either

also during the cycle you need an AI.

so during you need caber/prami.. and an AI.

dump the nolva.. lower the clomid dose.. and add something like unleashed or a natty supp. and definately run hcg atleast as a kicker to your PCT. and if you wanted to enhance your recovery run hcgenerate during cycle to keep the nuts plump.. also tren E i wouldn't run it 12 weeks.. thats too long. i would cut it back to maybe 8 weeks.
 
Just watch said:
Been cycling for about 3 years now training for 6,

Current Cycle

Weeks 1-12 400mg of test e every 5 days
Weeks 1-12 300mg tren enanthate every 5 days
Weeks 1-4 30mg dbol ed
Weeks 8-12 60mg anavar ed
Weeks 12-14 nolvadex 20mg ed as am prone to gyno
Weeks 14-18 hcg clomid nolvadex double strength clen, ripped freak arimidex
Week 19 holiday which is why cutting up slightly in pct and losing as much water as possible

Any thoughts ideas
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Get rid of the nolva and replace with Prami!!
 
Just watch said:
Been cycling for about 3 years now training for 6,

Current Cycle

Weeks 1-12 400mg of test e every 5 days
Weeks 1-12 300mg tren enanthate every 5 days
Weeks 1-4 30mg dbol ed
Weeks 8-12 60mg anavar ed
Weeks 12-14 nolvadex 20mg ed as am prone to gyno
Weeks 14-18 hcg clomid nolvadex double strength clen, ripped freak arimidex
Week 19 holiday which is why cutting up slightly in pct and losing as much water as possible

Any thoughts ideas
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Nolva and tren or deca = no!
 
Would be happy to try the prami or sumthing but I'm in the UK I've heard of all these ai's but never actually seen them the most I can get is arimidex and that's expensive I cud get 4 bottles of juice for the amount I pay for it :(
 
Just watch said:
Would be happy to try the prami or sumthing but I'm in the UK I've heard of all these ai's but never actually seen them the most I can get is arimidex and that's expensive I cud get 4 bottles of juice for the amount I pay for it :(
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I'm in the UK and ordered prami and liquidex from chemicalneed.com with no issues..
 
Im not
Tryin to be rude to the original poster, but man can you please uses spell check if you have that hard of a time spelling? I dont mind a few abbreviations, but some of these posts are killing me. Again, im sorry if i offended you, but im a stickler for spelling
 
Just watch said:
Would be happy to try the prami or sumthing but I'm in the UK I've heard of all these ai's but never actually seen them the most I can get is arimidex and that's expensive I cud get 4 bottles of juice for the amount I pay for it :(
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if you can't get prami or caber then don't run tren or deca.

everyone in the UK must have gyno if you guys can't get a hold of those compounds or AI's.

adex is dirt cheap from any online pharmacy..... and mr supps i believe ships to the UK so you can grab a bottle of forma and be done with it
 
stevesmi said:
if you can't get prami or caber then don't run tren or deca.

everyone in the UK must have gyno if you guys can't get a hold of those compounds or AI's.

adex is dirt cheap from any online pharmacy..... and mr supps i believe ships to the UK so you can grab a bottle of forma and be done with it
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You can get them steve. The old im in the uk excuse is just that... An excuse
 
stevesmi said:
gotta use caber/prami when you use deca or tren.. you developed the lump cause of the spike in prolactin. yes the nolva helped solve that issue but you should be able to prevent it from the start.

also the nolva/clomid PCT is kinda old school.. have you recovered from your past cycles on it? did u feel good on pct? there are better pct's out there that won't make you feel blah... i would never use nolva with tren or deca either

also during the cycle you need an AI.

so during you need caber/prami.. and an AI.

dump the nolva.. lower the clomid dose.. and add something like unleashed or a natty supp. and definately run hcg atleast as a kicker to your PCT. and if you wanted to enhance your recovery run hcgenerate during cycle to keep the nuts plump.. also tren E i wouldn't run it 12 weeks.. thats too long. i would cut it back to maybe 8 weeks.
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Holy hell Clomid sucks. When I used to use it I felt like total shit on it.
 
Funny how someone promotes a company they slated in a previous post because there stuff turned up half full after it had leaked lmao and never really had any problems with the clomid and I don't get any acne the only side I had before was slight gyno because I didn't take my nolvadex whilst on cycle, I take everything you have all said on board and will definitely speak to my supplier and see if he can get any of the ai's mentioned, thanks :-)
 
^^^ nolva and deca shouldn't be run together.. just cause you didn't notice problems doesn't mean you didn't have them... but do your own research and decide what is best for you.

remember nolva and clomid are DRUGS. and drugs have side effects.. a big part of pct is feeling good and still being motivated to hit the gym. a nolva/clomid pct does not make you feel good. if it did you wouldn't have breast cancer patients on nolva who say they would rather just die then have to be on that drug for the next 5 years post cancer from the horrible side effects. read some breast cancer forums and see for yourself
 
Just watch said:
Funny how someone promotes a company they slated in a previous post because there stuff turned up half full after it had leaked lmao and never really had any problems with the clomid and I don't get any acne the only side I had before was slight gyno because I didn't take my nolvadex whilst on cycle, I take everything you have all said on board and will definitely speak to my supplier and see if he can get any of the ai's mentioned, thanks :-)
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You obviously didn't read the latter half of that thread, where they sent me 2 replacement bottles free of charge, no questions asked? And i didnt really slate the company, just asked for other peoples experiences. . .

Maybe you should get your facts right, just like you should about your nolvadex and tren, you fucking arrogant cunt.
 
Why do people ask for advice and then get irritated when they get it? If these people already have all the answers why ask for advice? It drives me fucking crazy.

Sent from my EVO4G.
 
Who u calling an arrogant cunt u horrible little prick go an jab yourself in your neck u little fucking spunk monkey
 
1. don't instigate/troll people
2. don't flame people
3. don't attack people
4. if you are bored then go walk your dog or do something productive, don't spend your day trolling others (unless you post in C&C)

1 person is now banned and 2 more are getting warnings for breaking more rules on this thread. now get back on subject or i'm gonna close the thread and kiss and make up or put each other on ignore :) the dude you attack on here could be the dude who spots you tomorow at the gym
 
stevesmi said:
1. don't instigate/troll people
2. don't flame people
3. don't attack people
4. if you are bored then go walk your dog or do something productive, don't spend your day trolling others (unless you post in C&C)

1 person is now banned and 2 more are getting warnings for breaking more rules on this thread. now get back on subject or i'm gonna close the thread and kiss and make up or put each other on ignore :) the dude you attack on here could be the dude who spots you tomorow at the gym
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Steve- I'm not a culprit am I??
 
Sinister Minister said:
Trollin...
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How is this trolling? Trolling is saying something negative trying to bait another person into a conflict or to try and get them aggravated for my own amusement. I only asked a question. Sorry if it bothered you but try to learn the definition of a word before you use it.

Sent from my EVO4G.
 
jcnuts said:
How is this trolling? Trolling is saying something negative trying to bait another person into a conflict or to try and get them aggravated for my own amusement. I only asked a question. Sorry if it bothered you but try to learn the definition of a word before you use it.

Sent from my EVO4G.
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Lolololol no bro u got it confused... I wasn't referring to u... U asked why they do that and I answered that THEY ARE trollin not u bro...

Calm down turbo
 
My bad didn't mean to get all bent out of shape. I was half asleep when I read it. I see what you meant now. Lol.

Sent from my EVO4G.
 
And the shit is heating up on this thread. . .

Steve, I may come off inaccurate but isn't the reason that nolva is inappropriate is because it is used to control estrogenic sides? Tren aromatizes into progesterone which is why he needs prami.
 
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