Cycle Comments/Suggestions/Estimates

[decem]

how's this cycle to recover from broken hand :

week----sust------dbol-------eq------winny
1 --------750--- 25mg ed---------------------
2. --------750----25mg ed--------------------
3. --------500----25mg ed---------------------
4.---------500----25mg ed---400------------
5. --------500------------------400--------------
6. --------500------------------400---------------
7. --------250------------------400----50eod
8.---------250------------------200----50eod
9. ------------------------------200----50eod
10.--------------------------------------50eod
11.--------------------------------------50eod
12. -------------------------------------50eod
then clomid.

After having been laid up for 6 weeks then training naturally for 4 weeks, if I were to do this cycle at 5'11" and 200lbs - what type of gains would you expect from this? 20, 30, 40 lbs? Lean? Strength gains on max bench press?

 

[Weam]

Seems to be a gr8 cycle
but use Sustanon for 10weeks rather than 8 weeks

also, why are you tappering Sustanon, just stay with 750mg/week

Use Proviron at 40mg/day during the cycle, just keep Nolvadex on hand or even you might start using it at week 1-2 for 4weeks and then drop it
as on week 1-4 you're using the D-bol with Sustanon and you're in the highest risk to get Gyno

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, I don't see any fina in there, but I'll comment anyways, lol.

The sus looks fine, but some will tell you to go straight through at 500/week. The only thing that would concern me is aromatization. If you have done this before, then you know your body, but if not, have some anti-aromatases handy, i.e. nolvadex/proviron stack, arimidex/liquidex.

Dbol looks fine.

Eq takes about 4-5 weeks to kick in, so you are quitting it just when it's getting started. Obviously $ is always an issue, and this stuff ain't cheap, but if possible, you would be more pleased with 400mg/week for 10 weeks. That is 2000mg eq more than you have listed, which is 2 bottles of ultra, or 1 bottle of ttokkyo. This should cost an extra $80-$150, depending on sources/brands, etc. I really think you should add this if possible.

Winny: I am not a big fan of winny eod, but there are plenty of people who get results from it, so this looks fine. Winny is expensive, but if you just got some extra cash laying around, look into 50mg/ed. If not, it looks fine. I think the placement is fine, too.

Then start clomid on week 13. If you stop sus at week 8, it will be out by week 11. If you stop eq by week 10, it should be out by week 12-13. And the winny will be out pretty quick, so if you stop it in week 12, you will be good to go for clomid on week 13.

All in all, I think this is a pretty good cycle. As for your goals, I don't understand the broken hand thing. But this is not a cycle to gain 40 pounds on. That is a job for Mustang, lol.

Depending on how you react to the dbol and test, you might blow up (water) the first 4 weeks. But eq and winny will have the opposite effect. Depending on how clean you eat, and the protein, etc., you could expect to gain, geez, 15-20 pounds. Something like that. If you want more, switch out deca for the eq. That would be more expensive, but it all hinges on what you want.

One more caution: if you have not done this much test before, do not start this cycle without something like arimidex. I don't want to see a post from you in 3 weeks saying 'I have itchy nipples, is this bad?'

hth
txlonghorn

 

[decem]

why longer on the sust? due to the winny? is it that you want both to be leaving body at same time at completion of cycle? i'd rather stay at 500mg sust, so should i even bother with the extra 750 for first 2 wks?

after reading tx's reply, how about this


week----sust------dbol-------eq------winny
1 ---------500--- 25mg ed---400---------------
2. --------500----25mg ed----400--------------
3. --------500----25mg ed---400--------------
4.---------500----25mg ed---400------------
5. --------500------------------400----50eod
6. --------500------------------400----50eod
7. --------500------------------400----50eod
8.---------500------------------400----50eod
9. -------------------------------400-----50eod
10.-------------------------------400------50eod
11.---------------------------------------50eod---
12. ---------------------------------------50eod-


can't get arimidex, proviron, or fina or they'd be in there.

how's the revised ed. look.

 

[decem]

the hand: 2 days ago i crushed proximal 5th metacarpal (hand bone) and fractured 4th metacarpal displacing the top inch of it 110deg. - which had to be set - go in for surgery tues.

 

[decem]

plan on maybe taking low dosages of test enan, 75-100mg/week, to maybe advance recovery, then i'll start this cycle.

 

[TxLonghorn]

I think that looks good. As for the 750 the first 2 weeks, I don't think it is necessary at all. Some people like to kickstart that way because of the prop in the sus is so quick acting, but to take advantage, they need the eod shot.

I don't think it's that big a deal. I prefer enanthate myself.

And don't waste the eq, if you have one shot left, take it, lol. Most people will tell you to at least run it 10 weeks, but I think the 9 weeks you have it for look good.

I think you will like this cycle. Good lean gains. The only thing that concerns me is you say you can't get proviron. You need that to aid the nolva in case you have any signs of gyno. Weam is right, you are at highest risk the first 4 weeks. Keep looking, ask your guy if he can get some for you. You may never need any, but if you do, it's much better than gyno surgery.

Hmmm, if you do get signs, ditch the dbol and take the nolva.

That's about all I've got. Anybody else?

 

[decem]

do you think i'd be able to retain 15 lbs of those gains? and if eq would give 15-20, what would happen if i substitute deca for the EQ and Fina for the Winny? 25-30? retaining 20?

 

[TxLonghorn]

do you think i'd be able to retain 15 lbs of those gains? and if eq would give 15-20, what would happen if i substitute the deca? 20-30? retaining 20?

decem, it's not like that, unfortunately. This isn't an algebra problem where 'x' is the amount of gains. In this case, more is a relative term. You will gain 'more' with deca than with eq. That is what most people say. It is dependant on too many factors. When someone gives you a number, they are trying to guess an attainable figure. There are people that might 'cut' with your stack and gain 1.5 pounds but they may have lost 7% bodyfat. Diet, exercise, how far from your genetic limits, drugs, and one other factor that people rarely talk about, your body's reaction to the drugs. Some people's bodies react wonderfully with the anabolics, or to certain ones. And they may react sub-standard to other drugs.

As for the test/deca, you will probably have more water retention, which when the cycle ends, you will lose this water. You won't get that with your dosage of eq.

 

[decem]

Thanks again for everything TxLongHorn and Weam. You are a wealth of info and I appreciate you taking your time to answer my ?'s. I look forward to using the next month to stock up using my newly acquired knowledge. Thanks again fellas.