Cycle Commentary

[colt1911]

I am 31, 5'10 and around 195-200 lbs and about 10%bf . I am a naturally muscular person and have always put on mass easily. I have recently gotten back in to working out using HST training. Anyway I have only done 1 two week cycle of test prop (500wk) and fina (75mg ed). Recovered fairly quickly after that cycle. My goal is to put on lean muscle and reduce fat to 8%.
My proposed cycle is 8weeks of t-prop(500wk) and winny (50mg ed). Plus 25mg proviron ed. I know for most of you this is probably basic but I don't have access to many different aas. Thanks for your opinion.

 

[slobberknocker]

do you need the proviron? for some, winny plus prov. equals hairloss.


I like the cycle otherwise though

 

[muscleup]

I think thats a great cycle...The proviron will be good for any bloat or estrogen related sides you may get from the prop...This should yield good high quality gains

 

[colt1911]

do you need the proviron? for some, winny plus prov. equals hairloss.


I like the cycle otherwise though

I guess I could do without the Proviron but here is what I know about it... "it prevents estrogen build-up because it binds to the aromatase enzyme very strongly, thereby preventing these steroids from interacting with it and forming estrogen. So Mesterolone use has the extreme benefit of reducing estrogenic side-effects and water retention noted with other steroids, and as such still help to provide mostly lean gains. Its also been suggested that it may actually downgrade the actual estrogen receptor making it doubly effective at reducing circulating estrogen levels." And "The second use is in enhancing the potency of testosterone. Testosterone in the body at normal physiological levels is mostly inactive. As much as 97 or 98 percent of testosterone in that amount is bound to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and albumin, two proteins. In such a form testosterone is mostly inactive. But as with the aromatase enzyme, DHT has a higher affinity for these proteins than testosterone does, so when administered simultaneously the mesterolone will attach to the SHBG and albumin, leaving larger amounts of free testosterone to mediate anabolic activities such as protein synthesis. Another way in which it helps to increase gains. Its also another part of the equation that makes it ineffective on its own, as binding to these proteins too, would render it a non-issue at the androgen receptor."

Thanks for your help with all this. Since this is my second cycle and going to be a longer one I wasn't sure if the proviron would be needed. Should I taper up the test or winny? Or just do a straight dose the whole time?

 

[GawdsGift]

aye colt, you still in???? if so Stay away from this site at work. ISC's are firewall crazy and this one could be a danger to a career. 1

 

[colt1911]

No I did 5y and got out in 94.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Sounds like a great cycle. What is the injection frequincy on your prop? 75 mg ed? The winstrol will also lower shbg. 12 mg a day has been shown to lower shbg levels 50% in men, within a few days of starting administration. You should make fast, gains in quality muscle on this cycle. I like it.

 

[manny78]

I am 31, 5'10 and around 195-200 lbs and about 10%bf . I am a naturally muscular person and have always put on mass easily. I have recently gotten back in to working out using HST training. Anyway I have only done 1 two week cycle of test prop (500wk) and fina (75mg ed). Recovered fairly quickly after that cycle. My goal is to put on lean muscle and reduce fat to 8%.
My proposed cycle is 8weeks of t-prop(500wk) and winny (50mg ed). Plus 25mg proviron ed. I know for most of you this is probably basic but I don't have access to many different aas. Thanks for your opinion.

Dont like proviron with winny. Too rsiky for your hair. You might just take some arimidex (.5mg EOD to start). Otherwise, the cycle is nice.

 

[colt1911]

Re: Re: Cycle Commentary

Dont like proviron with winny. Too rsiky for your hair. You might just take some arimidex (.5mg EOD to start). Otherwise, the cycle is nice.

Since you are the second person to comment about proviron and winny together, I am worried now about using the 2 together. Why does the combination of proviron and winny exacerbate hair loss.
To answer your question I will be doing prop 175-200mg eod approximately. I do have arimidex but didn't want to use that unless I needed it.

 

[02gixxersix]

I would just get some liquidex. It the liquid version of arimidex. Cheaper and very effective.

 

[manny78]

Re: Re: Re: Cycle Commentary

Since you are the second person to comment about proviron and winny together, I am worried now about using the 2 together. Why does the combination of proviron and winny exacerbate hair loss.
To answer your question I will be doing prop 175-200mg eod approximately. I do have arimidex but didn't want to use that unless I needed it.

Run prop ED, 100mg. Winny by itself should keep the water retention low so just run arimidex at low dosage to prevent aromatization.

 

[colt1911]

Ok, many thanks for the advice.... So is running winny for 8 weeks too much or should I run fina for half and winny the other half? I don't have a problem running test ed inj.

 

[manny78]

Ok, many thanks for the advice.... So is running winny for 8 weeks too much or should I run fina for half and winny the other half? I don't have a problem running test ed inj.

running one of them for 8 weeks ? Fina.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Whoa, Whoa, you started out with something good and now it's getting off track.

Winny works similarly to Proviron so you won't need the Proviron during the cycle but it can be useful after the cycle. In fact, you can cut the cycle by a week and just run the provron that week and you should have a nice landing if you follow with maca, avena , etc..

You also shouldn't need any anti e's with only 500 mgs of test unlss you're outrageously prone to gyno. I'd even suggest using PF,com "Post-Cycle" DURING the cycle to keep the e in check and protect your liver from the winny.

Once you use fina, it another ball game with its own host of problems and precautions to be taken.

 

[colt1911]

My intent was to do 3-4 simple effective cycles since I am not in competition. Here is what I have, lots of... Prop, winny, fina, arimidex and clomid. I won't talk about the clomid, Nelson. I appreciate the feedback and I already called to put an order in for post cycle and zip after reading what bigdawg wrote in this thread it is worth trying.
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=255713

I understand the message of not needing proviron with winny together. I was not wanting to use the fina unless I thought I needed it to help gain more weight. I am hoping 500-600 test per wk with winny 50mg ed will get the job done. I will try the proviron the last week of cycle. I guess I could do a 9week and have the last one be the proviron. Is proviron ok to run with clomid and "post cycle' and "zip"?

I am inclined to take and post one or two before photos to have and then see what a real 8-9 wk cycle can do for me, and then take the same photos to have as a record of changes.