Cycle Check Please Guys.

[Mason Kray]

Stats: Age 41 / Height 5'10'' / Weight 215 pounds / Bodyfat 13% Training 8 years / Meals 6-7 a day.

Hi Guys,

I would be most grateful for any input on the cycle below. I am aiming to gain as much mass as possible. I have done AAS before (5 courses) when I was in my early 30's. I took a break from AAS for around 8 years due to random testing in my job.

Due to a change of job I've decided to get back on AAS, I did a Test E only cycle earlier this year and am now looking at this.

Course
1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-4 beast 20/30/30/30
8-12 beast 30/30/30/30
1-4 n2guard
8-12 n2guard
1-14 hcgenerate

PCT
15-18 clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
15-18 unleashed/post cycle
15-18 forma stanzol

Many thanks

Mason

 

[dylangemelli]

the only thing i don't really like is running beast on the back end... other than that, it looks good man... why don't you run something like anavar or winnie on the back end...

 

[EZ_E]

+1

 

[C0LUMB0]

Looks fine and to be honest i dont think you need an oral at the end of that.
if you are going to run one i would go with var as Dylan has suggested...

 

[Mason Kray]

Thanks a lot Guys. Dylan what would you recommend on the Anavar? 60mg a day? Many thanks Mason

 

[Jigga14]

Don't add nolva. Your pct was constructed by an knowledgable EF member and u don't want to ruin it with nolva. Disregard I steroids comment

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

add nolvadex to PCT

Absolutely!!! I dont know where all this supplement crap came from here on this site in PCT or that nolva sucks but here is an excerpt from Dr Michael Scally the worlds foremost specialist on reversing steroid induced andropause (shutdown) :

"Clomiphene is an antiestrogen, which decreases the estrogen effect in the body. It has a dual effect by stimulating the hypothalamic pituitary area and it has an antiestrogenic effect, so that it decreases the effect of estrogen in the body. Tamoxifen is more of a strict antiestrogen, it decreases the effect of estrogen in the body, and potentiates the action of clomiphene. Tamoxifen and clomiphene citrate compete with estrogen for estrogen receptor binding sites, thus eliminating excess estrogen circulation at the level of the hypothalamus and pituitary, allowing gonadotropin production to resume. Administering them together produces an elevation of LH and secondarily gonadal sex hormones. " Dr Michael Scally

Id ditch the supps and listen to the worlds foremost expert and not buy into the hype. Dr Scally also has a peer reviewed published study where the conclusion is the combo of clomid and nolva is the most effective means to restart hpta.

 

[dylangemelli]

Absolutely!!! I dont know where all this supplement crap came from here on this site in PCT or that nolva sucks but here is an excerpt from Dr Michael Scally the worlds foremost specialist on reversing steroid induced andropause (shutdown) :

"Clomiphene is an antiestrogen, which decreases the estrogen effect in the body. It has a dual effect by stimulating the hypothalamic pituitary area and it has an antiestrogenic effect, so that it decreases the effect of estrogen in the body. Tamoxifen is more of a strict antiestrogen, it decreases the effect of estrogen in the body, and potentiates the action of clomiphene. Tamoxifen and clomiphene citrate compete with estrogen for estrogen receptor binding sites, thus eliminating excess estrogen circulation at the level of the hypothalamus and pituitary, allowing gonadotropin production to resume. Administering them together produces an elevation of LH and secondarily gonadal sex hormones. " Dr Michael Scally

Id ditch the supps and listen to the worlds foremost expert and not buy into the hype. Dr Scally also has a peer reviewed published study where the conclusion is the combo of clomid and nolva is the most effective means to restart hpta.

Hype and supplement crap... really?? Have you fucking ran that particular pct???? I'm guessing not... I've never had recovery like I have on it... for every good article you try to show on Nova there is one that will completely contradict it.. before you come in talking shit maybe you should have tried it before you talk shit... things improve and change over time... technology, styles, etc... there are tried and true methods to pct that are much better than old options...

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[Mason Kray]

Thanks for the advice but I'm happy with the PCT and have no intention on changing it. I've spent a lot of time reading threads on this site and put the PCT together based on advice given to others by members on here who are held in very high regard.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

Hype and supplement crap... really?? Have you fucking ran that particular pct???? I'm guessing not... I've never had recovery like I have on it... for every good article you try to show on Nova there is one that will completely contradict it.. before you come in talking shit maybe you should have tried it before you talk shit... things improve and change over time... technology, styles, etc... there are tried and true methods to pct that are much better than old options...

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Easy there tiger. Im glad u like it...I personally would never try it.
Ill listen the the foremost expert in the word and yo can buy into bs articles written by supp company owners saying nolva sucks and blah blah blah. The fact is why would I try something different when my sucess with that pct can be supported with bloodwork for over the last 12 years? Im 43 and my off cycle stabilized test levels are in the high 600's and you want me to change the protocol the top endo in the world recommends and add some garbage supplement instead of a serm. No thanks.
We will agree to disagree ...and please dont come at m like that again. I said nothing personally attacking you or swearing at you. Is it too much to expect the same in return from a staff member ? Thank You.

 

[dylangemelli]

your pct is constructed exactly as it should be...

for anavar... run it 60 mg the first four weeks you run it and then bump to 80 mg... you need to run n2guard with it and lipid stabil would be wise to run with it as well... i run proviron alongside anavar... it works so well with it...

 

[EZ_E]

Easy there tiger. Im glad u like it...I personally would never try it.
Ill listen the the foremost expert in the word and yo can buy into bs articles written by supp company owners saying nolva sucks and blah blah blah. The fact is why would I try something different when my sucess with that pct can be supported with bloodwork for over the last 12 years? Im 43 and my off cycle stabilized test levels are in the high 600's and you want me to change the protocol the top endo in the world recommends and add some garbage supplement instead of a serm. No thanks.
We will agree to disagree ...and please dont come at m like that again. I said nothing personally attacking you or swearing at you. Is it too much to expect the same in return from a staff member ? Thank You.

Calling something you know nothing about crap and BS isn't really the best way to make a point...if you disagree with a post you're welcome to voice your opinion but please do it professionally

~EZ

 

[dylangemelli]

Easy there tiger. Im glad u like it...I personally would never try it.
Ill listen the the foremost expert in the word and yo can buy into bs articles written by supp company owners saying nolva sucks and blah blah blah. The fact is why would I try something different when my sucess with that pct can be supported with bloodwork for over the last 12 years? Im 43 and my off cycle stabilized test levels are in the high 600's and you want me to change the protocol the top endo in the world recommends and add some garbage supplement instead of a serm. No thanks.
We will agree to disagree ...and please dont come at m like that again. I said nothing personally attacking you or swearing at you. Is it too much to expect the same in return from a staff member ? Thank You.

none of the articles i have read about how shitty nolva is come from any supp companies at all... you don't have to try anything you don't want to try and that's the beauty of being free, but don't start blasting something that you have no idea whatsoever about... if you use something and it does nothing for you then you have every right to blast away, but what you said was not fair at all... and i NEVER ONCE said not to run a serm... i always think one should be ran, just not nolva... i have used clomid and torem both with excellent recovery but nolva on the other hand, well, i make my point on it as do a lot of others everyday... if you want to use it then that's up to you... we all react different to different things so that's your call on what you do... its good to have different opinions and recollections on what has worked and what hasn't it was just the way you came across...

 

[timetogethuge1940]

I have ran Clomid and Nolva together in PCT and had fantastic results. Those, combined with armatose inhibitor and a natural test booster will work wonders for your recovery.

 

[dylangemelli]

I have ran Clomid and Nolva together in PCT and had fantastic results. Those, combined with armatose inhibitor and a natural test booster will work wonders for your recovery.

that's exactly the type of pct i always run except without nolva... and it is fucking great everytime...

 

[Mason Kray]

Cheers Dylan. I'll have another look at my course and make the changes you suggested. Many thanks!

 

[Mason Kray]

Hi Guys,

Many thanks for the advice I have re-visted my course and made some changes as suggested by Dylan (Many thanks Dylan!)

So, this is what I have:

Course
1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-14 hcgenerate
1-4 beast 20/30/30/30
1-4 n2guard
9-14 Anavar 60mgs a day first 4 weeks, then up to 80mgs a day last 2 weeks
9-14 Proviron 75mgs a day.


PCT
15-18 clomid 25/25/25/25
15-18 unleashed/post cycle combo
15-18 forma stanzol
15-18 daa power chews.

Cheers Guys!

Mason

 

[dylangemelli]

the only thing your missing here bro is that you definitely need to run n2guard alongside anavar and proviron... i would recommend lipid stabil as well... otherwise its all looking good!

 

[Mason Kray]

Cheers Dylan! I'll add the N2Guard in weeks 9-14 and also the Lipid. Would you Reccommend running the lipid weeks 9-14 or add it in 1-4 as well to help with the beast?

 

[dylangemelli]

Cheers Dylan! I'll add the N2Guard in weeks 9-14 and also the Lipid. Would you Reccommend running the lipid weeks 9-14 or add it in 1-4 as well to help with the beast?

you don't need it with beast... you definitely do with anavar...

 

[Mason Kray]

Thanks Bro. I'll add them both in..

 

[Mason Kray]

Ok guys, got this cycle rounded off (many thanks for all your help. Big thanks to Dylan!) and everything has arrived.

Quick question on macros. While running this cycle I have figured my macros as follows. Calories 4200 spread over 8 meals with a split of 45/35/20 P/C/F for the first 12 weeks. When the Anavar and Proviron are added i will drop the calories down to around 3500 with a 40/40/20 split.

I'd be grateful for any comments as this is my first time running beast and I want to get the most out of it.

Many thanks

Mason

 

[dylangemelli]

Ok guys, got this cycle rounded off (many thanks for all your help. Big thanks to Dylan!) and everything has arrived.

Quick question on macros. While running this cycle I have figured my macros as follows. Calories 4200 spread over 8 meals with a split of 45/35/20 P/C/F for the first 12 weeks. When the Anavar and Proviron are added i will drop the calories down to around 3500 with a 40/40/20 split.

I'd be grateful for any comments as this is my first time running beast and I want to get the most out of it.

Many thanks

Mason

Happy to help bro... Whats your maintenance?


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[Mason Kray]

Hi Dylan,

My maintenance level is around 2800 calories a day.

Many thanks Bro!

Mason

 

[dylangemelli]

how much size are you trying to put on bro? whats your current stats...

 

[Mason Kray]

My current stats bro are:
Age 41
Height 5'10
Weight 210
BF 13 %

I'm trying to put on as much muscle mass as possible with the beast and test. Then use the anavar, Provirion and the triple swarms stack to help cut any excessive body fat down I've gained while adding a little more mass.

To be honest Bro if I can keep 15/20 pounds after this run and have my BF where it is or a little lower, I'll be very happy indeed

Many thanks for the help again Dylan really appreciate it Bro!!!

 

[dylangemelli]

no problem bro... i would start at about 3500 calories and see how that goes first... i think you can put on plenty of size at that level above maintenance without adding too much fat... if you start to go too high then you may not like the types of gains you are getting... if you find you need to bump up then do it but i would start in that range... your going way over maintenance in the 4000 range... it depends on what kind of gainer you are though... at your age, i think its easier to gain weight so that's why i recommend starting a bit lower than you are...

 

[Mason Kray]

Thanks a lot Bro. I'll adjust my diet to 3,500 and see how I go.

What do Recommend on the split?
Is 45/35/20 ok?

 

[dylangemelli]

for what your trying to do i would go 50/35/15... pro/carb/fat

 

[Mason Kray]

Many thanks again Bro for all your help and support really appreciate it!

 

[dylangemelli]

anytime bro