Cycle and Eating Question

[serge]

Well if that guy is 15-17%, I'm at least 14% or better which is fine with me for my weight and size and my cycle.

and thats all that matters, if you are happy with your body/progress then its all good, as ive mentioned before ive been up to 260lb about 10%BF with a 32inch waist and was too slugish so i did not enjoy it

 

[ragin']

nice thread gentlemen. i think that all parties are speaking truth, just a bit of miscommunication. to summerize and close, blkout is correct in his theory about how to bulk, hell the pros prove it over and over again. serge's points are noted in the fact that most of us dont want to be fat as hell 95% of the year....we want some pussy. so the diet theory that he proposes is more practical for moderate rather then extreme gains.

peace,
ragin'

 

[serge]

nice thread gentlemen. i think that all parties are speaking truth, just a bit of miscommunication. to summerize and close, blkout is correct in his theory about how to bulk, hell the pros prove it over and over again. serge's points are noted in the fact that most of us dont want to be fat as hell 95% of the year....we want some pussy. so the diet theory that he proposes is more practical for moderate rather then extreme gains.

peace,
ragin'

its not about extreme versuse moderate gains, now when you are below 240lb it is not that hard to consume optimum number of calories to max out your gains, if you multiply your weight by 20 you end up with 4800cals/day---------not impossible to consumbe that number of calories through clean food only, now when your bodyweight approaches 300lb then the minimum cals you will need to eat is 6000/day-------good luck trying to eat that much by resorting to clean low fat foods, shit if you are Ronnie Coleman and your off-season weight is 320lb+ then the minimum caloric intake is 6400/day..........you see the tren

the point is while your body has not developed to extreme level you can eat clean and max out your gains at the same time, once you start pushing 280lb+ then it will be impossible for you to take it your cals from low fat sources only so eating pizza and burgers and ice cream will be the only way to keep gaining

 

[Blkout]

nice thread gentlemen. i think that all parties are speaking truth, just a bit of miscommunication. to summerize and close, blkout is correct in his theory about how to bulk, hell the pros prove it over and over again. serge's points are noted in the fact that most of us dont want to be fat as hell 95% of the year....we want some pussy. so the diet theory that he proposes is more practical for moderate rather then extreme gains.

peace,
ragin'

Bro, I'm far from fat, I get more pussy that you can shake a stick at. Am I fat compared to Jay Cutler? Yes. Am I fat compared the average man? No. Its all how you look at it.

Then again, has anyone seen Lee Priest in the off season? He makes me look anorexic. Its all in how you look at it.

 

[serge]

Bro, I'm far from fat, I get more pussy that you can shake a stick at. Am I fat compared to Jay Cutler? Yes. Am I fat compared the average man? No. Its all how you look at it.

Then again, has anyone seen Lee Priest in the off season? He makes me look anorexic. Its all in how you look at it.

i dont think Lee will be winning any major contests in his life-time, his hieght alone will see to that

 

[Blkout]

its not about extreme versuse moderate gains, now when you are below 240lb it is not that hard to consume optimum number of calories to max out your gains, if you multiply your weight by 20 you end up with 4800cals/day---------not impossible to consumbe that number of calories through clean food only, now when your bodyweight approaches 300lb then the minimum cals you will need to eat is 6000/day-------good luck trying to eat that much by resorting to clean low fat foods, shit if you are Ronnie Coleman and your off-season weight is 320lb+ then the minimum caloric intake is 6400/day..........you see the tren

the point is while your body has not developed to extreme level you can eat clean and max out your gains at the same time, once you start pushing 280lb+ then it will be impossible for you to take it your cals from low fat sources only so eating pizza and burgers and ice cream will be the only way to keep gaining

Sorry I still disagree with you on this. I don't think you can put a number on it like 280lbs+ is the limit. I think the limit depends on one's metabolism, structure, and body composition.

I don't care if your 145lbs, its not going to hurt you to eat some fatty food. Sorry, its just not.

 

[serge]

Sorry I still disagree with you on this. I don't think you can put a number on it like 280lbs+ is the limit. I think the limit depends on one's metabolism, structure, and body composition.

I don't care if your 145lbs, its not going to hurt you to eat some fatty food. Sorry, its just not.

ok, fair enouph. you got your opinion i got mine

BTW, have you ever dieted down to a low BF? if so, what was the lowest you have acheaved?

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

This has been interesting guys... lots of good info from all parties here...

Please keep it up...

S.

 

[Blkout]

i dont think Lee will be winning any major contests in his life-time, his hieght alone will see to that

Well, Lee can't do anything about his height, that's just something he was born with. Hard to fault him for that. Other than that, he still has one of the most impressive physiques of all the pro's and certainly the most impressive physique of all time for guys his height.

 

[Blkout]

ok, fair enouph. you got your opinion i got mine

BTW, have you ever dieted down to a low BF? if so, what was the lowest you have acheaved?

Nope, I have not dieted down at any point in time. I used to be so small that I never needed to or wanted to, I just wanted to be bigger and I'm still in that mindset at the moment. I'm still not as big as I want to be yet. I think when I reach around 275-280lbs, I will diet down and see what's left. A few years ago before I started lifting seriously, I know for fact my bodyfat was probably around 8-10% but then again, I really did not have any muscle either, all abs were showing clear though.