Cycle advice

[Kid tempo]

Hi guys. Please no arsey comments/keyboard warriors but was looking for some feedback on my cycle. I'm a small bloke (5foot 5) 70kg and been training hard for a few years

This will be my first cycle and was going to look something like this

12 week cycle
250mg sust per week
200mg deca per week
15mg DBOL for first 6 weeks

AI will be on hand and proper PCT will be followed. reason I've not run 500mg of sust is because I've heard good gains can still be seen from one amp per week and I'm trying to limit sides. Please only respond if you have had experience with a similar cycle. Cheers for taking the time to read this

 

[JayDiesel]

that's the bread and butter bulking cycle and the amounts Are right. I don't think you need that much gear for a first cycle tho. And what is your proper pct? if it is the same as most people here on EF then you're doing well. id get some caber. what ai are u going to run? and what's your diet going to be like? also what is your bf%?

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[Kid tempo]

Cheers mate!. Running 0.25mg ADEX E3D (can increase if sides get a problem) and using clomid HCG and Nolva for PCT. I know members on elite fitness strongly disagree with the use of Nolva when deca or tren is involved but I've had advice from a very wide variety of sources and I can't really see any evidence to discourage me from using Nolva plus hundreds of thousands of people use it in this way and if it was such a big problem I think everybody would know about it. Just my opinion.

 

[Jbranken]

I'd drop the deca for your first cycle an see how your body reacts to test. It can be pretty harsh for a first timer.

 

[Kid tempo]

Cheers mate, will bare this in mind. Will keep updates on my progress, might be useful for other first timers thinking along the same lines as myself. Gear should arrive next week

 

[bonacris]

Cheers mate!. Running 0.25mg ADEX E3D (can increase if sides get a problem) and using clomid HCG and Nolva for PCT. I know members on elite fitness strongly disagree with the use of Nolva when deca or tren is involved but I've had advice from a very wide variety of sources and I can't really see any evidence to discourage me from using Nolva plus hundreds of thousands of people use it in this way and if it was such a big problem I think everybody would know about it. Just my opinion.

Well drop the deca and don't use nolva as a pct.. it lowers estrogen but does nothing to restart natural test production.. there is plenty of evidence around that nolva is rubbish..

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[Jbranken]

Cheers mate!. Running 0.25mg ADEX E3D (can increase if sides get a problem) and using clomid HCG and Nolva for PCT. I know members on elite fitness strongly disagree with the use of Nolva when deca or tren is involved but I've had advice from a very wide variety of sources and I can't really see any evidence to discourage me from using Nolva plus hundreds of thousands of people use it in this way and if it was such a big problem I think everybody would know about it. Just my opinion.

Whatever you say. Contradicting what you have learned, I've learned that tamoxifen + 19nor = bad idea. The nolva increases expression of the progresterone receptor which could further raise prolactin related sides whilst using a 19nor such as deca or tren. Why even risk it? Use something else. Do you even have caber or prami on hand?

 

[Soadman]

Test alone gives great gains no need for any thing else especially first timer!
Just do 500mg sustanon a week front load it with 2ml 500mg then just do either 2 injections a week or just do one your choice them other compounds can be used in later cycles!

 

[mr.railgrinder]

Personally, I'm not a big fan of sustanon- especially pinning it once a week. From what I understand that will have your test levels on a roller coaster since you are pinning the prop only once a week. That being said, my first cycle was sustanon and I made some ok gains. I had a lot of pip and gave me a wicked test flu. I prefer just a long ester like cyp or e for test only. You definitely need caber or prami to run that deca but I don't recommend it for your first cycle. Listen to the more experienced people here... drop the nolva and get caber/prami if you insist on running deca.

Just cause you pour syrup on shit don't make it pancakes.

 

[Jack steel]

that's the bread and butter bulking cycle and the amounts Are right. I don't think you need that much gear for a first cycle tho. And what is your proper pct? if it is the same as most people here on EF then you're doing well. id get some caber. what ai are u going to run? and what's your diet going to be like? also what is your bf%?

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I second this advice

 

[stevesmi]

how old are you?

you been training hard for years but only weigh 155 pounds.. i don't get it. we need to work on your diet before anything .. how many calories are you bringing in everyday? are you doing too much cardio or do you have a labor type job? if not then your diet needs a lot of work.

proper nutrition is important with a deca cycle or you won't get enough out of it and it will be a waste. also mixing nolva with deca is for lack of a better word, risky. but hey go for it for a first cycle and learn the hard way.

oh and yes i have experience with that cycle, i've run it twice actually. its a cycle that is parroted around the internet world as a bulker, the same way people have parroted running nolva as a pct with it. (probably where you got your info from)

 

[Kid tempo]

Cheers for feedback, im 23, yeah I've recently left the millitary and regular Afghanistan tours have wasted away previous gains so now I'm out I'm looking forward to my cycle and yes got caber on hand just incase.

 

[JayDiesel]

I really wouldn't run nolva I never use it at all anymore. there's a great pct sticky on the pct forum. my honest opinion is to run test alone for 10-12 weeks. and id pin every3 days.

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[Essie]

Right'O ...

Your provided stats are not up to standard - Advice is given without knowing the age of the OP? At 5'5" and 154lbs ... it's still small ... too small, personally, for running gear.

Cycle length is not fully sorted either. I have run these compounds together before and your cycle needs revising on quite a few aspects.

FIRSTLY, though, seeing that you have provided your age upon question ... If you are going to run Nolva with Deca (Nandro; 19-Nor) then you WILL increase your risk SIGNIFICANTLY to end up with a pair of nice titties.
SECONDLY - the dosage and time on your DBol is off
THIRDLY - You need to run your Test longer than your Deca

So:

Wk 1-4: DBol at 30mg/day Mo-Fri
Wk 1-12: Deca at 200mg/wk
Wk 1-12: Caber at .5mg E3D
Wk 1-14: Sust at 250mg/wk
Letro/Dostinex on hand

PCT: Wk 16-20
Unleashed + Post cycle combo (as directed)
Aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD
Clomid @ 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
Add some Zinc as well if you can. It is found in cells all through your body and helps the Immune System fight off bacteria and viruses. It also assists you body in producing proteins, which in turn helps with healing. In fact, you can run this all the way through your cycle and PCT and on and on until you start again at about 10mg/day.

 

[Kid tempo]

Ok cool thanks. I kinda like titties so why not grow my own??? scottish girls go mad for a puffy set of nips

Yeah I did plan on stopping the deca a couple of weeks earlier than the test I just forgot to mention it but cheers anyway.

 

[Essie]

No worries Fella. I like titties too ... But preferably on women, not men ... And most certainly not on myself! Lol!