Cycle Advice . . . Advise Please

[CJWolford]

Test Prop at 150 mg/day weeks 1-12
Test Suspension at 50 mg/day weeks 1-12 (only on days i workout, so 4 days a week)
EQ at 600 mg/wk weeks 1-10
anavar at 80 mg/day weeks 1-6
Winstrol at 50 mg/day weeks 9-12

Igf-1 R3 at 50 mcg/day weeks 1-4 (post workout)
Slin at 10-20 iu/day weeks 5-8,13-16 (half am, half pm)
(hopefully humulin for the AM, and humalog for pm)

Liquidex at 1 mg/day
femera at 2.5 mg/day

cardio 5x per week.

(cutting cycle)

anyone like it, dislike it?

Stats:
5'11 230 at 15% bf (bf will be lower by cycle time)
4th cycle

 

[CJWolford]

I forgot to add that i will be doing creatine along with teh anavar, and will be doing ala at 1g/day the whole way through.

 

[jc21]

looks good except for the suspension...that is just a waste imo. suspension needs to be taken ed. shooting it 4 times a week is not a good idea. you want to keep a constant level of suspension in your body and doing it your way will not achieve this. either use it ed or just drop it.

 

[CJWolford]

i understand the reasoning with suspension, i just wanted to give a peak of test before i workout.

i'm relying on the propinate to keep my levels constant.

i don't have a problem with doing susp ed, but i'd rather keep it at 1250 mg/wk test instead of 1400.

whichever people think is more effective.....

 

[CJWolford]

for the afternoon crew.

 

[BigAndy69]

Here are my thoughts, why not Start the IGF1 week 13, you can continue to grow without steroids.

50mcg seems on the light side, I would suggest you bump it up to 100-150mcg.

 

[CJWolford]

it is my first time wiht slin/igf/gh or anything.

i'm rather young, so i already have elevated levels.

but that will be an option. I had assumed i might notice great results with a cycle, as opposed to using it by itself.

thanks for the great advice.

 

[Realgains]

Test Prop at 150 mg/day weeks 1-12
Test Suspension at 50 mg/day weeks 1-12 (only on days i workout, so 4 days a week)
EQ at 600 mg/wk weeks 1-10
anavar at 80 mg/day weeks 1-6
Winstrol at 50 mg/day weeks 9-12

Igf-1 R3 at 50 mcg/day weeks 1-4 (post workout)
Slin at 10-20 iu/day weeks 5-8,13-16 (half am, half pm)
(hopefully humulin for the AM, and humalog for pm)

Liquidex at 1 mg/day
femera at 2.5 mg/day

cardio 5x per week.

(cutting cycle)

anyone like it, dislike it?


Thats a lot of gear bro......are you 40 pounds over your natural maximum weight and a top competitor? I hope so cause if you are not then you are wasting gear and money and putting your body through way too much stress IMHO. Your cholesterol and especially hdl will be terrible on that cycle bro.

Stats:
5'11 230 at 15% bf (bf will be lower by cycle time)
4th cycle

 

[Realgains]

Oh I didn't see your weight and height.........I would say that you are probably 25 pounds over your natural maximum lean weight so I still think you are going over board bro.

I would recommend that you do the prop and EQ , IGF-1 and slin as planned but dump the suspension and 17 aa oral and the winny.

Kick the cycle off with a front load of EQ for sure.

 

[Realgains]

Here I am again bro......if ya want to harden up the gains during weeks 9-12 then try tren at 50-75 per day as it is better than the winny and doesn't mess with ones hdl profile nearly as much as winstrol.

 

[CJWolford]

ok, i think i'll drop the winny and suspension, and add tren the last 6 weeks to harden up.

thanks.

my goal on this is to replace 10 lbs of fat with 10 lbs of muscle.

also, i'm only medium boned with a 7" wrist, and i'm starting to lose a lot of mass after cycles. So after this cycle will be my first bridge with either anavar or primo.

 

[Realgains]

ok, i think i'll drop the winny and suspension, and add tren the last 6 weeks to harden up.

thanks.

my goal on this is to replace 10 lbs of fat with 10 lbs of muscle.

also, i'm only medium boned with a 7" wrist, and i'm starting to lose a lot of mass after cycles. So after this cycle will be my first bridge with either anavar or primo.

Bro I would like to tell you something that will help ya out .
Bridging doesn't work.........what I mean is it will NOT allow your HPTA to recover. Now you can use small amounts of mild anabolics like anavar and primo and maintain most of your natural test but ONLY IF you are starting that cycle fresh. If you are following with these mild anabolics AFTER an inhibitory cycle then that level of foreign androgen is enough to keep HPTA pretty much shut down. It is very difficult to get HPTA up and running again with a level introduced androgen that will be enough to maintain gains.

Your best bet when trying to maintain gains is to hit H C G the last couple weeks of your cycle at 500 iu's per day. This gets the testes up to 100% size and then they are much more able to respond well to LH. Then hit the clomid very hard at 300 mg on day one in divided doses and then 50 mg per day for 3-4 weeks minimum. You also need to reduce the volume and frequency of training to the "naturals" level. So many steroid users do not have a clue how to train naturally and this is part of the reason they loose so much post cycle....they over train big time!
Cut your training days per week down and your volume in half.
And remember unless you are a top competitor NEVER stay "on" all the time. It is just too risky. I have known several men that have permanently screwed up their HPTA by doing this and I also know two guys in their late 30's that have had heart attcks due to the constantly poor cholesterol/hdl profile. Time "on" = time off ALWAYS, unless as I said, you are a top competitor at the national level.

 

[CJWolford]

I'm not a top competitor by any means, look at my bf

i've never been a fan of bridging since it doesn't allow the receptors to clean for the next cycle.

I think what you say defiantely sounds more logical, as the size will come back easily on the next cycle due to the neural pathways already being made.

and i'm not a huge risk for cholesterol, but that does scare me, and i have my whole life ahead of me.

the only thing i would consider staying on for extended periods of time would be HGH, but i'm not ready for that.

I generally take 8 weeks off after a 10 week cycle. I've never used HCG before, but i think it is well warranted. I get tested every 4 weeks for my liver enzymes and cholesterol levels, and then i have my hpta levels checked to make sure i am ready to get back on.

but thanks for the advice, it's been teh best yet.

 

[Realgains]

One last thing bro......never go on H C G long term as it will desensitiize the testes to LH. Use H C G for brief periods of time and small doses DURING a cycle in order to keep the testes from shrinking and or the last couple of weeks before a cycle ends in order to bring them up to 100 %.

I think you will be happy with the H C G bro.
Oh...H C G can cause gyno as it also elevates estrogen levels and arimidex will not help here because the estrogen is made directly at the testes without the need of a conversion enzyme. SO you better take 20 of Nolva when doing H C G. Good luck

RG

 

[CJWolford]

will HCG cause bloat even if taken with nolvadex?

 

[Realgains]

will HCG cause bloat even if taken with nolvadex?

Not really as the level of estrogen is not that high.....high enough to cause gyno in the sensitive but not enough for bloat.
The whole bloat thing has been blown WAY out of proportion. Most men can tolerate a fairly large dose of aromatizing gear without too much bloat.

Esrogen is needed in order to stimulate IGF-1 and it is also somewhat protective against a hdl nose dives.

The use of estrogen inhibitors significantly worsens hdl.

 

[g-dogg]

will HCG cause bloat even if taken with nolvadex?

I haven't noticed much bloat with HCG but Realgains is right, take at least 20 mgs of nolvadex with it, if you're prone to gyno the least bit, I would say forget the HCG--I also agree with dropping the suspension but I disagree with one thing, I personally think igf-1 is a complete waste of money (unless you get it dirt cheap which I doubt)-do some humatrope or nutropin in place of it if you can-

 

[Realgains]

I haven't noticed much bloat with HCG but Realgains is right, take at least 20 mgs of nolvadex with it, if you're prone to gyno the least bit, I would say forget the HCG--I also agree with dropping the suspension but I disagree with one thing, I personally think igf-1 is a complete waste of money (unless you get it dirt cheap which I doubt)-do some humatrope or nutropin in place of it if you can-

The nolva will prevent gyno form H C G bro..
Good advice about the IGF-1....its too much $$$ and too little bang for the buck.

 

[g-dogg]

The nolva will prevent gyno form H C G bro..
Good advice about the IGF-1....its too much $$$ and too little bang for the buck.

Even if you're prone to gyno the nolvadex will for sure stop it? I have nolvadex and proviron right now, how much proviron should I take with 10-20 mgs of nolvadex ED?

 

[Realgains]

Even if you're prone to gyno the nolvadex will for sure stop it? I have nolvadex and proviron right now, how much proviron should I take with 10-20 mgs of nolvadex ED?

Yes but you may want to take 40 per day.

Proviron acts as an estrogen inhibitor and not an estrogen blocker so it will not help with H C G gyno.

Generally though 100 mg of proviron with 20 of nolva will take take of all but the worst bloat from aromatization of steroids.

 

[CJWolford]

i'm going to pay 250 per mg, or slightly lower.

so it's only 375 to run it for 4 weeks. not too bad at all.

 

[g-dogg]

Yes but you may want to take 40 per day.

Proviron acts as an estrogen inhibitor and not an estrogen blocker so it will not help with H C G gyno.

Generally though 100 mg of proviron with 20 of nolva will take take of all but the worst bloat from aromatization of steroids.

All I'm taking right now is fina and test-how much should I take? Another stupid question--does creatine have a smell when it goes bad? I got about 300 grams from a friend (in a sealed bottle)-how long does it take before it goes bad? Mine looks fine and doesn't smell but I can't find an exp. date on it

 

[g-dogg]

All I'm taking right now is fina and test-how much should I take?

I mean nolvadex and proviron

 

[CJWolford]

50 mg/day proviron and 20-40 mg/day nolvadex.

 

[Realgains]

All I'm taking right now is fina and test-how much should I take? Another stupid question--does creatine have a smell when it goes bad? I got about 300 grams from a friend (in a sealed bottle)-how long does it take before it goes bad? Mine looks fine and doesn't smell but I can't find an exp. date on it

How much test are you taking?

 

[g-dogg]

How much test are you taking?

I'm taking 750 mgs of Omnadren per week-also, please answer my creatine question if you can

CJ--do you have access to GH at a cheap price?

 

[CJWolford]

i only get the serono export kits, and they're not too bad

 

[Realgains]

I'm taking 750 mgs of Omnadren per week-also, please answer my creatine question if you can

CJ--do you have access to GH at a cheap price?

Do 20 of nolva with 100 of proviron, 50 in the am and 50 in the pm.
I don't know if creatine has a smell if it goes bad but I know it last a heck of a long time.

 

[g-dogg]

i only get the serono export kits, and they're 350 each.

not too bad, but in bulk they're cheaper.

IMO-Serano's are my least favorite brand of GH-where are you located--send me a PM bro-good info for ya

 

[CJWolford]

i can't send you a PM

your mailbox is full.

 

[g-dogg]

i can't send you a PM

your mailbox is full.

It's OK now

 

[CJWolford]

still gave me the same message, can i just email you?