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[Mr_Pincushonass]

Hey bros, my cycle is going to be 500mg of sust per week for 8 weeks and I am wondering if I should add Deca 300mg per week also for 8 weeks? My first cycle was only 250mg of sust per week and I gained 25lbs and dropped a bit of fat.

I just dont want to kill myself. If I gained 25 lbs on my little first cycle, wouldnt you think 500mg of sust would be enough for my second cycle??

My goal is to gain 25lbs with as little gear as possible.

 

[Golfer18--old]

I see what you are saying.I dont like using a lot of gear. But with 25 pounds without water, you might need to add deca.Its really up to you.

 

[Sober]

how long did you wait in between the two cycles? im curious cause im on my first and im anticipating the next already...but i agree with most everyone...time on=time off....

peace
sober

 

[Mr_Pincushonass]

I have been off for 4 months and im still up 26 lbs. I gained like 3 lbs after my cycle naturally and lost a bit of fat too, and im now stronger than when I was on my cycle.

 

[MadCow1]

Great results BTW - sounds like you respond well to low dosages but another 25lbs. is going to be difficult (unless you started out real skinny). With your previous results 500mg should be enough. If you are fully wedded to 25 lbs. try adding deca but that's a lot of meat.

 

[Mr_Pincushonass]

I wasnt small before. Im now.....
215lbs
5`10
low bf%
19.3 inch arms
bench 365 max
bench went up 40 lbs with cycle

 

[Mike P.T.]

yeah adding the deca would be a good idea.

 

[Mr_Pincushonass]

do you think 500mg of sust and 300mg of deca? Will deca really add to my gains? or is it just a waste?

 

[dumblucky]

bump..

 

[MadCow1]

do you think 500mg of sust and 300mg of deca? Will deca really add to my gains? or is it just a waste?

Consider this:

300/500 = .6

This translates to a total weekly mg. dosage increase of 60%. Mg per mg alone this will obviously increase your gains.

In addition deca and test stack very well together for a synergistic effect (meaning better than just an additive effect) i.e. 1+1 = 3. This should further enhance effectiveness.

Keep in mind that you could be like most people on this board and just keep throwing shit into your cycle for more "effectiveness", but I don't think your dosages are way out of line at this point going much beyond here brings in the law of diminishing returns. Plus, I don't see any reason to go near 1 gram in a person's first 3 cycles especially when they are making solid gains. Alternatively you could do deca 300 and sust 250 weekly and you'd get very good results with a lower dosage.

 

[Rebelrocker]

1+1 = 3. .

Huh?

 

[Mr_Pincushonass]

Awsome post MadCow1! So what do you think I would gain more MASS on? Sust 250mg +Deca 300mg per week, or Sust 500mg per week?

 

[the_only_sepe]

question???

hey mr. pinchu ass , how did the sides go on your first cycle? acne ? I am about to start an 250 a week enth. cycle.
as first one.

 

[Mr_Pincushonass]

Re: question???

hey mr. pinchu ass , how did the sides go on your first cycle? acne ? I am about to start an 250 a week enth. cycle.
as first one.

zero sides, no acne, no sensitive nips, nothing at all. Perfect cycle with awsome results, and at a low dose too. Im glad I started with a low dose because now my second cycle doesnt have to be totally crazy high dosed.

 

[the_only_sepe]

thanks!

Thanks for the info..

 

[liquidmuscle]

i did 250mgs of sust and 300mgs of deca for my first time and i gained a good 20lbs.. my 2nd cycle i ran 500mgs of sust w/35mgs of d-bol and only gained 15lbs i think that my redi-jects were bunk, but yes i think that you should throw in the deca you will be happy 8 wks later!

 

[MadCow1]

Originally posted by MadCow1


1+1 = 3. .


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Huh?

Huh?

I was illustrating the difference between an additive effect (1+1=2) and a synergistic effect (1+1=3). Synergistic in that when the 2 substances are combined they produce better results than when used alone.

 

[MadCow1]

Awsome post MadCow1! So what do you think I would gain more MASS on? Sust 250mg +Deca 300mg per week, or Sust 500mg per week?

Well - total mg's are higher with the deca. However, deca is not as strong as test mg per mg.

You would get the stacking 'synergistic effect' - see my other post above - with the deca/sust so this might indeed work better.

My conclusion is that it may be a close call. I personally respond better to deca than test (I just committed sacrelidge on this board!). I used test in my stacks simply because it makes a great stacking agent (synergistic again!) for me and allows me to take a lower total dose and get the same effects.

I would go for the Deca/Sust - it's a proven cycle and I doubt you'll have disappointment.