Cy Wilson about Hcg

[twistedneck]

Do you agree with what he posted this week, that he does not use HCG and thinks it damages you?

 

[The Terminator]

Where did he post this at? T-mag.com?

 

[twistedneck]

Yup, from this week's t-mag:

By Cy Wilson
Q: I've been using steroids for a year straight. Obviously, I've experienced some testicular shutdown. How do I restore function? What do I need to take or do?

A: Well, first, don't use hCG. In short, it makes matters worse in terms of restoring HPTA functioning. See my previous column for more information.

What can you do? Clomiphene at 100 mg/day for at least eight weeks has a few case studies supporting the idea, and more recently I’ve had a number of people confirm the same thing anecdotally. I personally can confirm the efficacy of this protocol as I’ve used it many times.

In fact, I’ve had my blood drawn six times, a little over three and a half months after being "off" and a month and a half after discontinuing clomiphene therapy. Every time, my testicular size returns to normal and my total Testosterone has been anywhere from 511-700 ng/dl, and my free Testosterone in the range of 96.7-123 pg/ml.

And if you go to his previous post

Balls Like Michael Jackson

Q: I'm in my late 30's and I've been receiving 400 mg of Test depot every three weeks. However, my nuts have shrunk. Obviously, I'm experiencing some negative feedback. Would I do well to quit the T for awhile and undergo some hCG therapy? How much? How long?

A: I'm adamantly against the use of hCG in order to restore testicular function. Why? Simply put, it doesn't do that!

Not only that, but it can actually cause down-regulation of LH/hCG receptors which would cause the testicles to become less responsive to therapy in the future as well as to your own LH. If done long enough, you'll have hypogonadism which won't be able to be treated since your testicles won't respond to LH.

The only other option is Testosterone therapy for the rest of your life. I've been preaching this for some time now, but people don't seem to listen. Again, recently it was shown that in men who used hCG, LH was reduced significantly, as was FSH. So, in fact, what you're doing is further prolonging the process of recovery by using hCG.

Is there a time when hCG is actually warranted? Well, I suppose if you can't stand to have low testicular volume during a cycle then you can use it, but ultimately, you're doing much more harm than good. The other reason would probably be if you're wishing to get your wife pregnant. Other than that, I don't, nor will I ever recommend the use of hCG as things like clomiphene and letrozole actually work to correct the problem. (36)


hCG: More Bad News

Q: A friend of mine undergoes concurrent T and hCG therapy, long-term. Any dangers of this protocol?

A: As I mentioned above I'm strongly against the use of hCG. As far as dangers, there aren't any immediate dangers aside from possible gynecomastia. Still, this protocol is likely to cause longer suppression and perhaps even a slight and permanent loss of testicular responsiveness to LH/hCG because of the usage of hCG.

 

[garethdlewis]

bump

 

[Sir Foxx]

I wouldn't put a lot of stock into what he says anymore. He is claiming that MAG-10 is much better and much more potent than M-1-T. After that assine commentary I take anything he says as suspect.

 

[Mavin Stone]

Hmmm....interesting I would like to hear more opinions from others on this. I have been using at the end of cycles an dI am starting to think that it is a bad idea.

 

[Ashamed]

HCG will temporarily prevent restoration of normal HPTA function when used immediately post cycle. But is a few days delay really going to make much difference to long term recovery? If HCG is being used sparingly to keep near normal testicular volume - how can it be damaging the leydig cells permanently? Is HCG toxic? Does it differ so greatly fron natural LH that it causes damage in modest quantities? I don't see it... what I see is new myths taking root...

For the record I am using about 1200IU per week... cycle is due to come to an end in 2 weeks... we'll see how quickly I recover.

 

[cdownie927]

Ashamed I would like to here you when your done pct and during to see how you are doing I know you were takin 500iu 2 week throughout cycle how is it working so far are your balls still decent size, I was thinking on taking 500iu ew throughout cycle but huck said it may desentitize testies, I just dont want to crash like i did last cycle and i did it hcg last 2 weeks and mid cycle. 1000iu eod on each

 

[Ashamed]

well.. 2 x 500IU is 5000IU in 5 weeks = 2/3 of a box!

If less than 1 box of HCG is capable of desensitizing testicles in the short term or long term - then bodybuilders shouldn't be fucking round with HCG at all!

I don't believe I know as much about steroids as Huck. I am just hoping that the pattern of usage I have chosen is not damaging. I have only used 1 box of 15000IU HCG so far through a long cycle.. ball size does approach near normal when using at around 1500-2000IU per week... I am using at about 1000IU per week just to be on the safe side; at this dose balls are plumped to about 80% normal..

I don't know what is safe.... or whether risks are overestimated.. I still have feeling that is better to be sending a signal than none at all if the cycle is a few months long....

 

[cdownie927]

so your saying you started 5 weeks in, or you have been taking it since begining of your cycle and you are only half way through