Cutting on Test/Anavar/HGH

[mrplunkey]

40 yo, 15%ish bf. 6'3". 5 cycles before, all fairly mild.

Doing 400 test/week; 30 mg anavar/day; 4.8 IU gh/day

Is it possible for me to dramatically cut calories with no fear of losing muscle on this stack? I've been wanting to cut for a while, but I always cut after my cycles.

 

[HAYEZ]

test prop 100-150 eod
up the anavar to 60mg ed
cut calories if you start to lose strength up them until you reach your balance...i have been cutting with prop/tren and around 2500 calories i have been slowly gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time...just have to find your balance

 

[DaveTSI]

no need to drastically cut calories bro, just do 750-500 below maintenance and you will lose weight.

 

[cobracock1979]

+ 1 dave tsl

I run at about 500 cals below BMR and I gain (slowly of course). My BF is down from 15% to about 9 after last cycle.

I would say var is a waste at that BF.

Test/ tren worked for me. I would have thought the cycle you propose would also work well

 

[halfcenturian]

test prop 100-150 eod
up the anavar to 60mg ed
cut calories if you start to lose strength up them until you reach your balance...i have been cutting with prop/tren and around 2500 calories i have been slowly gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time...just have to find your balance

+1 High protein, low carb.

 

[10001110101]

you can cut pretty hard with all 3 if that's what you're asking.

but it's going to be pretty damn difficult to cut to what i'm guessing you are shooting for is around 1500-1750 cals a day? this is possible and you might not lose any muscle, but you will probably feel weak and exhausted with test, var, and gh. remember even on gear the same rules still apply, you still have to plan and time your meals well and make sure your calorie intake is appropriate. you can't crash diet or starvation diet even on gear and growth and expect it to just melt fat off you, it will just make you feel worse.

have reasonable expectations. shoot for i'd say 11-12% bf, then you post cycle keep running the GH if you can afford it and you can keep dieting and slowly chip away down to 9% or so, altho you are over 40 so this could take a while even with GH.

 

[AAP]

Cutting calories is NOT the same as losing fat. You can cut as many calories as you drastically want, but when you cut calories you are going to lose bodyweight overall, that is going to be muscle too.

Increase the protein, increase the fats, lower the carbs and burn fat through medium intensity cardio 40 mins post workout.

 

[DidiXterra]

Cutting calories is NOT the same as losing fat. You can cut as many calories as you drastically want, but when you cut calories you are going to lose bodyweight overall, that is going to be muscle too.

Increase the protein, increase the fats, lower the carbs and burn fat through medium intensity cardio 40 mins post workout.

I'm on 4iu hgh a day, 2 tabs t3/t4 mix (each pill human ratio)... Just finished a 5 week 20mg of Turinabol... Will I do better with Testo Propionate 150mg every 2nd day and can I up my t3/t4 dose to 3 pills a day?

 

[AAP]

I'm on 4iu hgh a day, 2 tabs t3/t4 mix (each pill human ratio)... Just finished a 5 week 20mg of Turinabol... Will I do better with Testo Propionate 150mg every 2nd day and can I up my t3/t4 dose to 3 pills a day?

I hope your t3/t4 pills are not IPs. If legitimate you can up it (you never listed the amount/ratio so I have no idea of the overall mcg daily you are taking). BUT you should be wary of the T3 that will catabolize your muscle if you do not have proper AAS and high proteins.

Personally, instead of 150mg Test Prop EOD, I would do something like 100mg Test Prop + something else EOD. Reason being is that Test Prop by itself often is VERY painful.

 

[mrplunkey]

Cutting calories is NOT the same as losing fat. You can cut as many calories as you drastically want, but when you cut calories you are going to lose bodyweight overall, that is going to be muscle too.

Increase the protein, increase the fats, lower the carbs and burn fat through medium intensity cardio 40 mins post workout.

I always heard you need to get protein in within 45 minutes after a resistance workout to knock you out of your catabolic state.

What you are saying is right after a resistance workout, don't eat but instead do cardio for 40 minutes? Do I then have a protein shake afterward or wait to see how long I can go before getting hungry?

It always makes me nervous to not eat well immediately post-workout out of fear of losing muscle or at least not gaining the benefit of the workout.

Is that old thinking?

 

[wootoom]

I would say 3 iu/ed is enough for HGH

 

[AAP]

I always heard you need to get protein in within 45 minutes after a resistance workout to knock you out of your catabolic state.

What you are saying is right after a resistance workout, don't eat but instead do cardio for 40 minutes? Do I then have a protein shake afterward or wait to see how long I can go before getting hungry?

It always makes me nervous to not eat well immediately post-workout out of fear of losing muscle or at least not gaining the benefit of the workout.

Is that old thinking?

Do you eat any time 1.5 hours prior to your workout? If so, when you workout, do you shit your drawers? Because if you do, I want to see that workout.

If not, then you don't have to worry about your body being completely empty. Cardio is basically nothing more than the cool down period after a hard workout. There are two types of cardio, one for fat burning (low to moderate intensity) one for cardiovascular conditioning (high intensity). You want your glycogen stores to be depleted as possible for when you do fat burning cardio, otherwise before you can burn fat, you have to empty the g.s. first. By design, the product of the body is used for muscle exertion and contraction (while in the gym). So after burning as much as you can with weight training which stresses the muscles and causes contraction, you are placing your body in the best environment possible to burn fat.

If your protein levels are high enough, and they should be since you are attempting to keep the calories up with limited carbs so you lose fat, then you are safe to wait until the entire training session is over.

If you are not sure or you just want to make sure you cover your bases, then the best thing to do is after you finish the weight training, take in 6-8 grams of BCAAs, 5 grams L-Glutamin, and 5 grams L-Arginine. In water with no carbs or fats. You can get a custom blend designed for you at Custom Caps, or you can go to Beyond-A-Century.com and order the powder form like I do. Just avoid tabs and hard press pills because you want immediate absorbtion. This will give your body near instant nutrients that only need to be absorbed and not broken down and digested ( as the general definition of digestion goes) so you can still hit up the cardio with a decent effort and not have a heavy stomach like you would following a protein shake.

 

[mrplunkey]

Do you eat any time 1.5 hours prior to your workout? If so, when you workout, do you shit your drawers? Because if you do, I want to see that workout.

If not, then you don't have to worry about your body being completely empty. Cardio is basically nothing more than the cool down period after a hard workout. There are two types of cardio, one for fat burning (low to moderate intensity) one for cardiovascular conditioning (high intensity). You want your glycogen stores to be depleted as possible for when you do fat burning cardio, otherwise before you can burn fat, you have to empty the g.s. first. By design, the product of the body is used for muscle exertion and contraction (while in the gym). So after burning as much as you can with weight training which stresses the muscles and causes contraction, you are placing your body in the best environment possible to burn fat.

If your protein levels are high enough, and they should be since you are attempting to keep the calories up with limited carbs so you lose fat, then you are safe to wait until the entire training session is over.

If you are not sure or you just want to make sure you cover your bases, then the best thing to do is after you finish the weight training, take in 6-8 grams of BCAAs, 5 grams L-Glutamin, and 5 grams L-Arginine. In water with no carbs or fats. You can get a custom blend designed for you at Custom Caps, or you can go to Beyond-A-Century.com and order the powder form like I do. Just avoid tabs and hard press pills because you want immediate absorbtion. This will give your body near instant nutrients that only need to be absorbed and not broken down and digested ( as the general definition of digestion goes) so you can still hit up the cardio with a decent effort and not have a heavy stomach like you would following a protein shake.

That makes sense. Eating around workouts for me is a bitch anyway. Too little before the workout and I'm terribly flat. But even a hair too much to eat before a workout completely floors me. Ideally I go into the workout with a near-empty stomach -- but not hungry. So by the end of the 1.5ish hour workout I'm usually hungry within 20-30 minutes.

I'm thinking muscle milk 1 hour before, 1.5 hour workout, 40 mins cardio. Then I'll do the powdered BCAA's, L-glutamin and L-arginine. That may help me avoid my other downfall -- being really hungry post-workout, eating big, then feeling like hell for the next two hours.

Thanks much.

 

[AAP]

Avoid muscle milk. Too much fat in there. If you eat, you want something clean and quick. A chicken breast or other white meat. Get a bit of complex carbs like half a bar of the Quaker Oates Oatmeal bar. Not regular oatmeal sandwiches with cream in them, but a snack bar made from quaker oates. half of that will give you about 22 grams of good clean carbs.

Keep fat to a minimum prior to workouts as fat definately slows down the rate of digestion.

If you are running late and only have about 30 mins before a workout, then just have about 25 grams of whey. No carbs at all.

I take the BCAA, glutamine, arginine, (plus I add ALC and taurine to mine) post workout. When I do this, I have found that I can skip the entire protein shake / dextrose combination and instead just have a regular high protein 40 - 50 grams, low carbs after getting home and showering.

I rarely take a protein shake and simple carbs post workout anymore unless traveling and training at a gym with no way to carry my powders with me. I will just have some kind of protein at the juice bar or from the back counter and a gatorade.

 

[mrplunkey]

Avoid muscle milk. Too much fat in there. If you eat, you want something clean and quick. A chicken breast or other white meat. Get a bit of complex carbs like half a bar of the Quaker Oates Oatmeal bar. Not regular oatmeal sandwiches with cream in them, but a snack bar made from quaker oates. half of that will give you about 22 grams of good clean carbs.

Keep fat to a minimum prior to workouts as fat definately slows down the rate of digestion.

If you are running late and only have about 30 mins before a workout, then just have about 25 grams of whey. No carbs at all.

I take the BCAA, glutamine, arginine, (plus I add ALC and taurine to mine) post workout. When I do this, I have found that I can skip the entire protein shake / dextrose combination and instead just have a regular high protein 40 - 50 grams, low carbs after getting home and showering.

I rarely take a protein shake and simple carbs post workout anymore unless traveling and training at a gym with no way to carry my powders with me. I will just have some kind of protein at the juice bar or from the back counter and a gatorade.

Thanks! I'll definitely try that.

 

[DidiXterra]

I think each tab is 84mcg total... The ratio is like 16.7mcg T3 to 67mcg T4, same as the human body produces... Eating 2 tabs a day (right after hgh shots) shooting 4iu hgh ed (2iu morning upon wake-up at 7, and second at 14 o'clock)