Cutting cycles

[vonrebel]

Hope you all will help me out here. I'm still new to this BB and the AS world, never cycled and am trying to get clear, becasue I read about cutting cycle as though AS can help or do strip fat away. Is it that the AS accelerate the fat loss? I know it can be done with clean eating and cardio, but when would the AS's help shed the fat, and which ones, and why do they have cutting cycles? Check you all out later, oh and THANKS!

 

[GUARDIAN]

Hope you all will help me out here. I'm still new to this BB and the AS world, never cycled and am trying to get clear, becasue I read about cutting cycle as though AS can help or do strip fat away. Is it that the AS accelerate the fat loss? I know it can be done with clean eating and cardio, but when would the AS's help shed the fat, and which ones, and why do they have cutting cycles? Check you all out later, oh and THANKS!

yes they can help shed fat. i am guilty of calling some cycles cutters and other bulkers but really all aas is designed to increase muscle mass & strength. they are really misnomers.

1) some use aas as an anticatabolic when going calorie deficient so as to preserve any muscle mass they have when dieting.

2) some use aas to get as big and as strong as they possibly can

3) some use it to put "lean" muscle mass (another misnomer, what other kind is there? it is either fat you gain or muscle.) and lose fat at the same time.

and many combinations of the above, some in the same cycle

 

[Donnie Darko]

An AS/AAS cycle can do wonders for stripping fat so long as your diet and your resistance program is conducive to that as well. Give us as many stats about you as you can give and be honest with those stats too please..........

1. Present diet (each meal including carb/fat/protein ratios), and individual meal plans if possible with each meal of the day.
2. Present workout program (cardio and resistance exercises...down to each day or split if possible).
3. present supplementation.
4. Goals (as precise of goals as you can get and timelines to reach those goals if possible).
5. Potential cycle ideas or what you would like to see as cycle ideas to reach your goals. Keep in mind that there is a ton of wealth in other forums for workouts and diets.

 

[safety4lyfe]

^^^ well put 8and20.

Some AAS cutters are winstrol, anavar, clen, primo, even EQ and many more.

Since it is your first cycle lots of guys will tell you just go with a test Enth or Cyp cycle for 12 weeks, and then for your second cycle you can add in a bunch of those goodies. I do agree with this strategy, but in most honesty, you really could do any of the above listed AAS by themself. You just wont see the same gains from test. Ive done a winnie only cycle...pretty weak, wont every do it again, could say its a waste of money.

In conclusion....Test is best!

 

[Ripped2Shredds]

The best cutting cycle is a perfect diet+ time!

 

[vonrebel]

Yes I have already done it naturally W/ diet and Cardio. What I'm trying to learn is... what's the difference (Besides the cash)... between cutting with AS or cutting without? Are the results any better / faster / using AS for shedding the b/f ? help me out here,

 

[GUARDIAN]

Yes I have already done it naturally W/ diet and Cardio. What I'm trying to learn is... what's the difference (Besides the cash)... between cutting with AS or cutting without? Are the results any better / faster / using AS for shedding the b/f ? help me out here,

i aint gonna lie it is better with aas. still doesnt mean it is the right or best choice

 

[vonrebel]

Hey thanks! for being straight up, that being the case, how to decide what to use? How much ....? & all the other usual questions

 

[rudy76]

Hey thanks! for being straight up, that being the case, how to decide what to use? How much ....? & all the other usual questions

I see you're platinum - good choice because by searching and reading old threads you will learn the answers to all those questions. Many things you'll read will contradict eachother, some may not. Take advice from guys like 8and20 who have the proof behind the theory - maybe look up all his old posts and see what he has recomended in the past. If you choose to listen to everyone it can get confusing - when everyone's recomendations match you know you got some good advice.

Oh yeah - don't forget to research pct and anti-e.

 

[GUARDIAN]

Hey thanks! for being straight up, that being the case, how to decide what to use? How much ....? & all the other usual questions

that may only seem like a couple of questions but that would take volumes to answer. how about narrowing it down a little further?

 

[vonrebel]

Ha! yea that post definitely needs narrowing down.

My body builds size.. muscle and fat real quick & easy, I'll for sure some how need a cycle / workout that will allow descent control over the muscle mass build up while stripping off the b/f. Otherwise I'll end up in the super heavy weight division.

An easy goal of 180lbs, 8% b/f of well defined, thick dense, muscle, Looking more on the athletic side v/s bodybuilding. I'm close now,.

 

[vonrebel]

Zombie man that's great advice, Your exactly right! I know 8and20's got a handle on the info, I probably need to research on my own for a while longer, instead of asking to be spoon feed the answers so soon. Thanks

 

[GUARDIAN]

Zombie man that's great advice, Your exactly right! I know 8and20's got a handle on the info, I probably need to research on my own for a while longer, instead of asking to be spoon feed the answers so soon. Thanks

we r always here 2 help. sometimes we just cant write books on topics and expect that even that will be enuf 2 do a topic justice.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Here's a few thoughts...

There are some A A S compounds believed to have "lipolytic (fat-burning) properties".. to say they "strip away fat" is a bit of a stretch. Proviron and Masteron are examples, yet most would agree they're not the strongest in building muscle overall.

Then you have compounds like winstrol and tr-en and E Q which are pretty potent, and they're touted as "cutting" drugs... this is likely because they don't pack on super huge (often water-filled) mass like d*bol, test, or de-ca would. Instead, they induce hard, vascular, sustainable mass. So for that reason, people think that they're shedding fat with these compounds. In reality, if they are shedding fat, it's because of diet, hard training, and the fact that building muscle burns additional fat.

So the difference between cutting with or without A A S mostly comes down to gaining more muscle, and gaining it faster WITH A A S. If gaining muscle is one of your goals, then A A S is the way to go... if you're just looking to cut-up faster, just do it with proper diet and training.

Hope this helps.

 

[vonrebel]

Thanks njmuslceguy, that spelled it out pretty good.

Actually, these are all great post, this board ROCKS!

 

[jumpmaster82]

IMO any aas can be used for cutting and bulking, as long as diet and training wise you do what needs to be done for that specific goal

 

[vonrebel]

So a person who would like to keep at thier current weight & strip off fat, would do well on say a low dose test eth 250mg wk, which would aid in workouts, aid recovery, maintain current muscle, all while stripping off the fat? Will that work?

 

[GUARDIAN]

So a person who would like to keep at thier current weight & strip off fat, would do well on say a low dose test eth 250mg wk, which would aid in workouts, aid recovery, maintain current muscle, all while stripping off the fat? Will that work?

yes and possibly build some too if u find the right balance of calories and have a great overall diet.

 

[njmuscleguy]

So a person who would like to keep at thier current weight & strip off fat, would do well on say a low dose test eth 250mg wk, which would aid in workouts, aid recovery, maintain current muscle, all while stripping off the fat? Will that work?

IMHO, I think you can do all that better *without* a cycle... it's not worth shutting your body down with 250mg of test just to lean out... you can burn fat with a good carb-cutting diet, cardio, some thermogenic supplements... there are good supplements for aiding recovery and maintaining muscles as well...

 

[vonrebel]

Thanks njmuscleguy I've just about made up my mind to go that direction with the cutting /naturally. Especially not wanting to gain any more size or weight at this time. Building the muscle is the easy part, stripping off the fat is really where the mental strength / discipline needs flexing. I'm hovering around 15% b/f right now, so I'm not far off track. Seems like it took foreverrrrrr to get down to 11-12% from 18% and that was with a dam near perfect diet, perfect training, I was really hoping for a short cut this go around, ha ha. I'd be interested in your recommendations for thermogenics? But I hear their really no short cut either. There is no frickin short cut is there, lol ,,,,,However if there is an easy way will someone please post it.... Check you Later

 

[njmuscleguy]

diet is a big part of it... years ago, Dan Duchaine wrote a book called "The Ultimate Diet", then updated it with BodyOpus.... then after that, Lyle McDonald came up with his version, Ultimate Diet 2.0 - try to get a copy of that book... lots of good info (mostly about carb cycling).

As for thermogenics, there are TONS of testimonials on here for Lipoflame, Amplify02, etc. Those are good for starters. Omega could help you with specific questions about those products. Take a dosage in the morning when you wake up, cardio on an empty stomach, and you'll bun away the fat. Train at the gym to tone and lose fat, instead of building big muscle (lower weight, higher reps, 12-15 range)

 

[vonrebel]

Realistically what's the body fat percentage that the majority of bodybuilders and athletes / people in general can EASILY expect to maintain?, with steady training and not perfect diet but descent eating habits, eliminate junk foods, late night fast food meals,,,,,insulin spikes? Because I THINK most people (at least I did) believe that bodybuilders are able to casually walk around at 4-5% body fat year round. (Although there are exceptions,), most bb's do not? Generally BB's only maintain the low b/f pre-contest, and for apporx 2 weeks after the show. Again I realize this depends on the person and life style, but this is a general question / statement with no absolutes. Since I'm all but out of of Karma (for now), I'm sending out more Thanks for all the responses.

 

[GUARDIAN]

i can easily maintain around 8-10% without a whole lot of effort. it takes some effor to get there but once i am there is smooth sailing. dropping below that and staying there is much more difficult, at least for me.

u actually want an insulin spike for PWO.

Realistically what's the body fat percentage that the majority of bodybuilders and athletes / people in general can EASILY expect to maintain?, with steady training and not perfect diet but descent eating habits, eliminate junk foods, late night fast food meals,,,,,insulin spikes? Because I THINK most people (at least I did) believe that bodybuilders are able to casually walk around at 4-5% body fat year round. (Although there are exceptions,), most bb's do not? Generally BB's only maintain the low b/f pre-contest, and for apporx 2 weeks after the show. Again I realize this depends on the person and life style, but this is a general question / statement with no absolutes. Since I'm all but out of of Karma (for now), I'm sending out more Thanks for all the responses.