Cutting Cycle Help??

[joshwin]

Hey guys..

Got some questions about my upcoming cutting cycle that I haven't been able to get straight answers on. I've researched a few boards and numerous web searches but have turned up with nil.

I am about 200lbs, somewhere in the range of 20-22% bf, and 5'11''. Been training for quite a while, had to lay off for a while because of severe work schedule. I'm sure some of you know that feeling. I'm looking to do another cycle sometime next year but I would like to lean out a lot before I go packing on the weight with a serious bulk cycle.

I have used clen before, as well as T3. Both of them were research products from AG. Got pretty good results from both. This was a while back as well. I'm looking to do another serious cutter with some more liquid clen, t3, and winny tabs.

Here's the major question that no one has answered yet, looking for actual experience if there is any. Is winny in the range of 25-50mg per day, with clen at around 120-140mcg per day, a clean and solid diet, enough to hold on to my muscle when running the T3 in the 100mcg/day range? I really don't want to have to run test just to keep from losing muscle. I would like to go with something a little weaker right now and save the test for my bulk come next year.

I have heard that T3 affects muscle less if the person has a higher bodyfat %. That it will favor whatever there is more of, so that alone should help in this case. The clen is somewhat anti-catabolic so that can help the muscle loss, and hopefully the added winny tabs can help as well.

Anyone??

 

[satchboogie]

keep in mind clen's affects will only last about 2 weeks..
so best to take for 2 weeks and then switch to ECA for 2 weeks..

the t3 should be taken via the pyramid method best explained by 'wrongun'.. .search for his thread about it.

 

[joshwin]

Satch,

I know that clen is only usefull around 2 weeks, even though there are ways to extend that.. i.e. yohimbine, keto.. anyway.. i plan on alternating it with T-Rex. And I've used T3 before in the pyramid fashion so I am aware of that.

My question is.. is that combination.. or more importantly.. the winny.. strong enough to keep the muscle while doing the T3 at high doses?..

 

[satchboogie]

Satch,

I know that clen is only usefull around 2 weeks, even though there are ways to extend that.. i.e. yohimbine, keto.. anyway.. i plan on alternating it with T-Rex. And I've used T3 before in the pyramid fashion so I am aware of that.

My question is.. is that combination.. or more importantly.. the winny.. strong enough to keep the muscle while doing the T3 at high doses?..

mmmm.....
winny is a very weak anabolic but may just do the job.

have you considered 200mg primo a week with 15mg var per day?

i think that would be more beneficial for sparing muscle.

 

[joshwin]

mmmm.....
winny is a very weak anabolic but may just do the job.

have you considered 200mg primo a week with 15mg var per day?

i think that would be more beneficial for sparing muscle.

I actually have thought of that.. atleast running var and winny together for a short time while running my cutting cycle. That should be a great cycle to cut on and still keep your size and strength. The only problem though is that var is hella expensive. So is primo.

I was asking about the winny only because I have a bunch leftover and could hang on to them for my bulk next year or use them for my cutting cycle soon.

I think with my higher bodyfat %, a real solid diet and supplement schedule.. and the winny and clen.. should be enough for the T3. Could prove to be an excellent cutter actually.

Has anyone tried anything similiar to this before? If so what were your results?

 

[satchboogie]

well..
if sparing muscle is your main priority and cash is of the essence (if you will) then what about 250mg sustanon per week?

thatll spare muscle just fine.. is cheap... and liver friendly.

 

[joshwin]

well..
if sparing muscle is your main priority and cash is of the essence (if you will) then what about 250mg sustanon per week?

thatll spare muscle just fine.. is cheap... and liver friendly.

Sparing muscle is sort of my main priority.. other than cutting up of course.. and unfortuantly.. money is ALWAYS of the essence.. atleast at this time in my life.. especially with the holiday season coming up for me..

I know test does a great job of sparing muscle.. i've done it before.. and if i was going to do a cutter with test i would probably go for prop... i can get prop for cheap cheap.. much cheaper than sust.. but i'm really not wanting to run test again yet.. saving that for next year..

I expect to lose a LITTLE muscle mass when on a cutting cycle.. everyone should.. it's foolish to think you can keep everything.. i would like to lean out to around 180.. be ideal to have that be 15lbs of fat.. and 5lbs of muscle.. without AAS that would probably be much more like 50/50.. but anyway.. i completely agree with ya satch on your options.. just curious if anyone had done a winny/t3/clen only cycle and if so what their results were..