cutting cycle after first cycle

[skyling35]

I'm planning on doing my first cycle in the next month and am looking to do a cutting cycle after. How long after the pct can I start a cutting cycle. Its a 12 wk cycle so would it be 12 weeks after the pct is done or what. For the cutting cycle I was planing on using Primobolan depot and winstrol depot with h.c.g at weeks 7-10.

Primobolan wk 1-8 200 mg a wk
Winstrol wk 2-8 150 mg a wk
hcg wk8 5000 iu
wk9 5000 iu
wk10 3000 iu

Would like some advice on this thanks

 

[burnbytes]

the primobolan, you will use 400mg

 

[growthspurt]

I'm planning on doing my first cycle in the next month and am looking to do a cutting cycle after. How long after the pct can I start a cutting cycle. Its a 12 wk cycle so would it be 12 weeks after the pct is done or what. For the cutting cycle I was planing on using Primobolan depot and winstrol depot with h.c.g at weeks 7-10.

Primobolan wk 1-8 200 mg a wk
Winstrol wk 2-8 150 mg a wk
hcg wk8 5000 iu
wk9 5000 iu
wk10 3000 iu

Would like some advice on this thanks

I think you're goin about this wrong. First of all, what is your first cycle going to consist of? What's your Pct, what's your stats. If you're above 13% body fat you're not ready for a first cycle, especially if you're in your late teens to early 20's and only been training for a year or less. I'm saying this because this is the typical m.o. of first-time newb we see on here.
If the above does not apply to you and you're not the typical newb who hasn't done his home work, then nevermind.

In either case, you need to keep it simple your first time around the block. i'll reccomend what 90% of the other Bros would for a first cycle. 500mgs of test enth/week for 10-12 weeks followed by pct consisting of hcg and nolva. forget all of that shit you heard about stacking three roids in a cycle. It doesn't apply to a first time user. Use one drug to see how your body responds in terms of side effects. If you're using two or three, it's very difficult to determine which one or ones are causing you grief.

Also, forget about adding a cutting cycle. Train your ass off, eat smart, and get plenty of rest. Follow the proper pct to solidify your gains. Besides your idea of running 200mgs of Primo/wk is a poor choice. It won't do shit for you @ that dose. 400mgs/wk or better is in the ball park. If getting leaner is your goal, do cardio 3x a week and pick up a good thermo sup while you wait your 10-12 weeks off cycle to start round two. Be patient and get a couple of cycles under your belt before you entetain the idea of using multiple, more exotic steroids. This kind of disipline will yield better, more permanent gains in the long run!

 

[skyling35]

well then my first cycle is:
week 1-12
500mg test enanthate
400mg Eq
week 14
pct with nolva and clomid
(day 1 300mg clomid/60mg nolva, day 2 100mg clomid/40mg nolva, day 3-21 50mg clomid/20mg nolva)
And me i am 20 6'1" and about 215-220. I have some extra weight on me. As far as training goes i've been traing since 9th grade. I know what i am doing in the gym and have a good base but am looking fo that extra boost after i got hurt in bootcamp. By the way thermo supps are trash and awaste of money the only one i would think about buying is clen

 

[growthspurt]

well then my first cycle is:
week 1-12
500mg test enanthate
400mg Eq
week 14
pct with nolva and clomid
(day 1 300mg clomid/60mg nolva, day 2 100mg clomid/40mg nolva, day 3-21 50mg clomid/20mg nolva)
And me i am 20 6'1" and about 215-220. I have some extra weight on me. As far as training goes i've been traing since 9th grade. I know what i am doing in the gym and have a good base but am looking fo that extra boost after i got hurt in bootcamp. By the way thermo supps are trash and awaste of money the only one i would think about buying is clen

Save your EQ for a later cycle. BTW, the reason most people think thermo supps don't work is because they use them wrong. Most people use them in place of healthy eating and balls-out trainning. In combo with those two elements, thermos are very effective fat burners and energy boosters. They're fat burners, not blob busters. There are plenty of us on this site who use them and have excellent results. Stick around, you might learn something.

 

[crfpilot14]

just do a Test/Winny cycle. or...

test enth 500mg/wk wk1-12
tbol 50mg ed wk1-5
winny 50mg PO ed wk9-13
adex 0.5mg ed wk1-12
tylers liver detox throughout

start PCT day after last winny dose. the typical HCG/nolva +/- clomid will be great. stacking your first cycle is a good idea. the guys that recommend a single drug the first cycle have a good point, but 90% of them did not follow their own advice. you will get the best results if you use an injectable and an oral. some will complain that you should not use 2 orals on any one cycle. this is correct if you plan on using them at the same time. bloodwork on a friends cycle has showed only a very mild elevation in the transaminases. a night out at the bar getting drunk will cause a higher elevation than we saw with this. but good luck whatever you decide....BUT, i do agree with the masses that you should not be using AAS at 20yrs old. you can gain 20lbs with food, protein, and creatine.

 

[skyling35]

I wish it was that simple as eating more, but i am abit of a hardgainer at 215 that sounds like an oxymoron. It has taken me about five years training with my dad, who used to train football players for the tampa bay buccaneers, to get to where i was at my senior year. So i have a pretty good idea of what it will take me to get back what i lost from boot camp and when i got hurt. I also lost alot of muscle training to go to bootcamp.