Cutting, but doing something wrong, please offer your opinions.

[~peaches~]

Okay, I will make this as short as possible. I have been back in the gym now steadly for 3 months, after a 6 month break, the first 2 months I had a semi clean diet, most days I would eat clean, but occasionally slipped with a cheat, noticed some fat loss but no changes in scale.


At 5'8 and 220, since my diet has been on clean now for a month, meaning no slip ups, I have a cheat meal once every two weeks, and that cheat is usually Hooters wings , so nothing TO extreme. I have stayed at 220 for months, what the hell am I doing wrong? I wouldnt complain about the scale because I know that really is not important, but my clothes are not changing either. It is very frustrating, even my SO who is a bodybuilder doesnt know what the hell is wrong. I am beginning to wonder if my thyroid is wacked, I have had a few test and I am slighty hypo, I am going to the DOC next week.




My diet looks like this :

8am: 4 egg whites 1 whole egg, 1/2 cup oatmeal

11am: after training 2 scoops of whey with glutamine

1pm: Chicken , fiberous veggies, brown rice or sweet potato

4pm: 1 scoop whey with 1 tablespoon natural pb

7pm: Chicken, or lean beef , veggies

10pm:1 scoop whey

I train 3 days a week Mon: Back/bis WED: chest/tris Friday:legs CARDIO
I do SS cardio after I train, except for leg day, I can barely walk, let alone get on a treadmill, the days I do not train I do 45 minute intervals on Precor. I was training heavy weight low rep 6-8, the past month I have done moderate weight with a higher rep 10-12.

I was told to add some PROP 50mg every third day, to assist with keeping my muscle and kick starting a little fat loss.

What the hell is wrong? I am not training for a comp, but i do want to cut before spring gets here, at the rate I am going i will not be cut anytime soon.

Any thoughts and advice is welcome.

 

[~peaches~]

Another thing: should I hire someone to do my nutrition? My So spends half the year bulking, so he eats whatever, two months cutting and two months off,point is he knows his shit, but maybe I need a nutrionist. I attached a picture so you know I am not bullshitting when I say my SO knows his shit

 

[Sassy69]

You should get regular bodyfat measures (calipers) - the SO shoudl be able to help you do that very easily. That helps to keep some additional change measures. The scale sucks as a measurement device - I dropped 9% bf and 2 lbs in 2 months last yr so if based my perceived progress on the scale I would probably have killed myself after that. The weight I stayed near is around 160-165 lb for 5'7" - that's where my body will settle at unless I do some serious focused change - for me the big difference is always cardio.... (i'm not suggesting this is your difference but it is the difference for me) -- I started at 20 min 2x/day in March and every week I added 5 min, ending at 2x 1 hr /day and holding there for contest prep. All this was steady state cardio (what my trainer had me do, i'm not suggesting its the best).

I'd also ask if you could put your meal plan into fitday.com or some other food counts program so we can know specifically what your total cals & macro nutrient break down is (% protein, fat, carb).

 

[~peaches~]

You should get regular bodyfat measures (calipers) - the SO shoudl be able to help you do that very easily. That helps to keep some additional change measures. The scale sucks as a measurement device - I dropped 9% bf and 2 lbs in 2 months last yr so if based my perceived progress on the scale I would probably have killed myself after that. The weight I stayed near is around 160-165 lb for 5'7" - that's where my body will settle at unless I do some serious focused change - for me the big difference is always cardio.... (i'm not suggesting this is your difference but it is the difference for me) -- I started at 20 min 2x/day in March and every week I added 5 min, ending at 2x 1 hr /day and holding there for contest prep. All this was steady state cardio (what my trainer had me do, i'm not suggesting its the best).

I'd also ask if you could put your meal plan into fitday.com or some other food counts program so we can know specifically what your total cals & macro nutrient break down is (% protein, fat, carb).

Thank you for your reply, shouldnt I, at this weight, atleast see a change in my clothes? I mean I have been dieting , cardio and training steady for three months now! I hate the scale, it hates me, so I avoid it at all cost, I have only weighed twice this month because I get discouraged easily. I will be getting my BF checked this week, so I can keep up with that better.

Sassy, I value your opinion, I have seen you on another board, you know your shit! SO, should I drop the intervals and stay with SS?

My diet stays the same everyday, so I will plug it into fitday and see what I get.

 

[imystify]

I attached a picture so you know I am not bullshitting when I say my SO knows his shit

well done

 

[~peaches~]

well done

Yeah, someone is doing good in this house

 

[Sassy69]

Yeah, someone is doing good in this house

Its good to have support for your work & goals. That by itself is priceless.

Yes I would expect to see changes in your clothes at least, but if you are able to step away from that self-image aspect of getting on the scale or measuring and just keep it as a regular part of your program - it is just a number and doing a measure on a regular interval gives you an idea of whether or not what you are doing works or not. During my competition prep I had my diet changed every 3 days and bodyfat & wt done every 3 days to see if the one or two changes I made in the diet actually worked, and adjusted from there. The point is to make progress, not quantify how bad you should feel about yourself. And try to identify what isn't working.

I"m all about starting from the diet - so when you can post up what the diet stats are, then we can see if there's some tweaking to be done.

We'll figure it out

 

[Daisy_Girl]

I would love to see the diet put into FitDay - a Sassy said. Just eyeballing it - the fats look low.

Also seems like a lot of cardio. I would actually suggest the opposite of what you automatically assume (more SS and less HIIT) - less SS and more HIIT. NOTE - NOT INTERVALS, but HIIT - BIG difference.

Yes, after a month of strict eating, there should be some drop, even if it is just water. But you also just weighed yourself TWICE in a month. Maybe the day you weighed yourself the first time you were dehydrated and the second time you were retaining water. Maybe the first time was post-period and the second time was pre-period (women are typically 'lightest' in the weeks between end of period and ovulation, and 'heaviest' the weeks between ovulation and through the end of your period). Maybe the moon was full, maybe the pigs were flying ... maybe maybe.

What I am trying to get at is..... that weight, alone, as a data point is silly and pointless to ponder over. Weight is the gravatational pull on your body - nothing more, nothing less. The question you should be asking yourself is what was the CHANGE IN MY BODY'S COMPOSITION during that time period.

The way you get at that is through BF% testing. Use that, with weight, as your indication of progress.


Also - if you are "slightly hypo" that should have little to no effect on your weight. What was your TSH level? If it is below 20, then it is unlikely it is causing you to NOT lose weight. A moderately high TSH level can make a tough environment to lose weight, but getting on Synthroid will NOT SOLVE the losing-weight-problem - trust me, I know this firsthand. If you are "slightly hypo" you will likely get put on a LOW dose of Synthroid, just enough to stabilized the thryoid, but probably not enough to impact your weight.

 

[~peaches~]

Finally got off my ass and checked Fitday, here are the totals:

Totals 1536 36 98 205

I entered the diet I had previously posted and I am following. Are the carbs a bit to high? Should I take the PB out of my diet and use fish oil and flax for fat? Should I maybe cycle my carbs? Last question, what about PROP, should I add this in as stated above?

 

[imystify]

is that cals/fat/carbs/pro?

 

[Sassy69]

Finally got off my ass and checked Fitday, here are the totals:

Totals 1536 36 98 205

I entered the diet I had previously posted and I am following. Are the carbs a bit to high? Should I take the PB out of my diet and use fish oil and flax for fat? Should I maybe cycle my carbs? Last question, what about PROP, should I add this in as stated above?

No don't add prop. If your DIET & TRAINING PROGRAMS aren't already solid, throwing in AAS is not going to be the magic bullet. It is ONLY A SUPPLEMENT to an already tight regimen. Just curious - are you already aware of all the potential and pretty much expected sides of test prop? Its not just a "diet aid".

 

[~peaches~]

No don't add prop. If your DIET & TRAINING PROGRAMS aren't already solid, throwing in AAS is not going to be the magic bullet. It is ONLY A SUPPLEMENT to an already tight regimen. Just curious - are you already aware of all the potential and pretty much expected sides of test prop? Its not just a "diet aid".

I have researched it extensively to see what sides women have while on it,what long term effects is present, I am not to thrilled about even taking it into consideration, I do not want facial hair and an enlarged clit . I understand nothing will help with fat loss, and that diet is key. I took it into consideration because when I have dieted down in the past, I lost muscle, and I do not want to do that this time, prop would be low 25mg every 3 days.

My SO suggested Var, but I am hesitant about anything until my diet is working for me!


is that cals/fat/carbs/pro? Yes it is

 

[imystify]

I'd swap the pb for some EFA's then - or simply add them. The caloric levels look low for your weight but if you are stalled then it sounds to me like something else metabolic/body/phys is going on there and I'm no expert

 

[~peaches~]

I'd swap the pb for some EFA's then - or simply add them. The caloric levels look low for your weight but if you are stalled then it sounds to me like something else metabolic/body/phys is going on there and I'm no expert

Okay, I will take the PB out. As far as calories go, yes they are low, but I have upped them before with the help of a nutrionist, he upped them to 2200 a day and I gained 11 pounds in two weeks, and it wasnt water. I suffered some ED in the past (over 7 years ago) and I swear it screwed my metabolism up!

 

[Sassy69]

I have researched it extensively to see what sides women have while on it,what long term effects is present, I am not to thrilled about even taking it into consideration, I do not want facial hair and an enlarged clit . I understand nothing will help with fat loss, and that diet is key. I took it into consideration because when I have dieted down in the past, I lost muscle, and I do not want to do that this time, prop would be low 25mg every 3 days.

My SO suggested Var, but I am hesitant about anything until my diet is working for me!


is that cals/fat/carbs/pro? Yes it is

What is unit on the fat/ carb/ pro - %, grams, cals? -- I'm interested in the % of each.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

No AAS is going to help - not Var, not Prop, nothing. And Var has the possibility of THE EXACT SAME SIDES AS PROP. Peole say Var is a "mild AAS" - and mild it CAN be, but the possibility of sides STILL exists. AAS is not the answer here, not yet.

If you know diet is key and AAS would not help with fat loss - then what is the goals of adding AAS now? If you are afraid of muscle loss, then use your diet to combat that and chill out on all the freaking SS cardio.

I'd like to know the %s of the macros in your diet too.

If you gained 11 pounds in 2 weeks (not water) on 2200 - were you COMPLETELY sedentary then? Because you gain 11 lbs in 14 days, that is almost a pound a day - meaning you would need a surplus of around 3000 calories a day. I find that unlikely. You might have gained SOME weight, but some of it must have been water.

 

[wannabe2000]

Newbie asking for help with T3/Albuterol/DNP

hello All,

I am new to the board, just officially registered but I have been researching for months.

I was hoping for some help.
>
>I recently purchased some DNP, albuterol and t3. while I was
>waiting for
>the DNP I wanted to start a cycle of T3/albuterol but wanted to
>know what
>would be the best dosages. I have both in liquid form from a
>reliable
>source that has been mentioned on almost every board I have
>visited.
>
>Here is what I have:
>
>Liquid Albuterol (in favor of clen, I did not like the shakes I
>got and read
>that albuterol was a bit better)
>30ml - 4mg/ml
>
>
>Liquid T3
>30 ml - 50mcg/ml
>
>Both come with the regular droppers with the black top.
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated. My goal is to lose some
>serious body
>fat before July 2007 but ofcourse I want to be safe.

Here are my stats:

5 8 220lbs - goal weight 150

Current workout (almost non existent because of a crazy work schedule - 20 hr days)
previous workout (2 or 3 times a week boxing with a trainer, with 20-45 minutes of cardio a day)

"Diet"

Pretty poor because I work nights but most often I try and eat high protein low carbs (burger no bun, with a little ketchup for taste, chicken breast, turkey)...I dont get much sleep so even with a great diet I would probably need alot of help. Also, I dont each much but I do tend to binge because I wait so long to eat and i usually get one meal a day, on a good day two meals.

My plan is to return to try and return to 5-6 small meals a day even if i have to force myself and drink lots of water instead of ginger ale like I do now.




EDITED BY SHADOW TO SAY:

THIS POST HAS NO PLACE ON SOMEONE ELSE'S THREAD AND I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO GET INTO THE USE OF DNP.


I WILL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO COPY/PASTE THIS ON AN APPROPRIATE THREAD.

 

[The Shadow]

50 mg prop ETD

Whoa


the problem isnt the HIIT...and until you can post up a bf% - you DONT know if you are losing fat or not.


Your cals are a bit too low actually.

at 220 - your daily cals should not be below 200 at a MINIMUM - throw in the activity and I bet a months supply of YES thatyou are stripping lbm.

If so - forget about steady state cardio.....stick to the HIIT and bump up your intake of healthy fats and do NOT drop the Pbutter - you cals are too low as it is.

Do this.....follow my Shadow Project plan.....its a sticky on this forum in terms of weights and cardio and add the changes I suggested for your current diet and watch the fat begin to drop off

 

[wannabe2000]

Re: Newbie asking for help with T3/Albuterol/DNP

My bad, I placed the question in a new thread already after realizing it posted within someone else's thread.

 

[The Shadow]

Re: Newbie asking for help with T3/Albuterol/DNP

My bad, I placed the question in a new thread already after realizing it posted within someone else's thread.

No prob.


and thanks

 

[T-Cake]

Your cals are a bit too low actually.

at 220 - your daily cals should not be below 200 at a MINIMUM - throw in the activity and I bet a months supply of YES thatyou are stripping lbm.

If so - forget about steady state cardio.....stick to the HIIT and bump up your intake of healthy fats and do NOT drop the Pbutter - you cals are too low as it is.

Thanks, Shadow! I was just about to say this to her myself.

At first glance, I saw your macros and your cals and didn't think anything of it -- but then I remembered you're 220!

Ok -- long and short -- I was once 260, 5'5" and now I'm 165 (look to be 150, though, because of the 10 to 12 lbs of muscle I put on this year)... and the last 30 lbs of fat I lost this year was due to clean diet and hard training, similar to what you have described.

HOWEVER... the first 80 lbs I lost using WeightWatchers and when I started using FitDay, Ulter's recommendation for me was 300 calories a day HIGHER than what WWers had me eating. I freaked out and for the first 2 months I swear I asked him daily if he was sure I wouldn't get fat.

So did your nutritionist recommend too many calories for your diet? Maybe: I do think 2200 is too high. But at 185#, I was eating 1600, so if I use that same ratio for you, it looks like 1950 calories a day is necessary for you to fuel your body and especially your active lifestyle.

What were you eating when talking to the nutritionist that caused you to gain that weight you speak up? Was it still a clean diet?

It hurts my heart to know you are eating so clean and working hard at the gym and not seeing results! Listen to the people here and they'll get you through it -- plateaus CAN be broken, and progress WILL be found, I'm sure.

 

[~peaches~]

Thank for the replies ladies, for a second there I thought someone was selling T3 ( which I have already tried..haha)


I had my BF checked, she had to test it three times first was 32,34, 35, and of coarse she went with the highest
That is absoululy horrible! So I have tweaked my diet and training, I am going to try split training and a little extra cals but more cardio as well.

8 years ago I weighed 293, three years ago on a starvation diet and two hours of cardio a day I got to 135. One year after that I realized that was not the way to keep my weight off and I was doing more harm than good. I look my best around 170, size 10/12, and that will be my goal. I know I can do this, it is just hard for me not to say forget it, let me starve myself, like I once did, and get this weight off. I think that instead of my looking at the whole picture and getting frustrated I need to step back and really look at my macros and training and tweak as I go. My goal is to lose atleast 2 pounds a week. I woudl start a journal, but I journal somewhere else and it would be a pain in the ass to keep up with both

Thank you ladies for the advice.

 

[H_T_]

what a misleading handle....

 

[laddie]

i also enjoy a good old full meal once in a while.. but it tends to come back and haunt you. but what really haunted before is the decrease of my bust size when i started working out. NO SPAMMING PLEASE.