Cutter immediately following a Bulker...

[SLICED]

Fellas,

I know the golden rule is "time on = time off" but I wan't to change things up this year and plan a long cycle starting mid April till the end of September and then take time off for the rest of the year.

Stats: 26 years old/5'9" - 5'10"/180 lbs/10.5% bf

End Goal: 200 lbs/7% bf - more mass, while lowering body fat to further define my abdominals along with hardness and vascularity

Training/cycle history: 5 years on and off, will be 3rd cycle

Bulk:
Var 40mgs Weeks 1 - 8
Test E 500mgs Weeks 1 - 8
Off time Weeks 9,10
PCT(Clomid + Nolva) Weeks 11, 12
Extra week of Off time Week 13

Cut:
Test E 500mgs Weeks 14 - 24
Eq 600 mgs Weeks 14 - 26
Winny 50 ED Weeks 19 - 24
ECA/CLEN 6 wk rotation Weeks 18 - 24
Off time Weeks 24 - 27
PCT (Clomid + Nolva) Weeks 27 - 31
25 mg of Proviron Weeks 18 - 24

.5mg of A-dex during Bulk and will bump it to 1mg per day for Cutting cycle because I want to stay dry as possible.


I've never done anything like this before but I think it could work.

Questions:
1) Should I purchase HCG for this? I am seriously thinking of incorporating it but not sure on what dose to use and how to spread it throughout??

2) Is there any point to doing PCT following the bulk cycle because of the short amount of time in between?

3) Should I sub the anavar for Tren E at 400mg per week? NEver tried tren before but I want to gain as much as possible in the 8 weeks of my bulk, so I'm still considering it.

Note: I am choosing not to go with Prop or any short ester because I travel to a new city almost every week due to my job and I don't want to risk the chance or deal with the hassle of getting caught with vials/pins.

Your input would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,

- Sliced

 

[SLICED]

Fellas,

I know the golden rule is "time on = time off" but I wan't to change things up this year and plan a long cycle starting mid April till the end of September and then take time off for the rest of the year.

Stats: 26 years old/5'9" - 5'10"/180 lbs/10.5% bf

End Goal: 200 lbs/7% bf - more mass, while lowering body fat to further define my abdominals along with hardness and vascularity

Training/cycle history: 5 years on and off, will be 3rd cycle

Bulk:
Var 40mgs Weeks 1 - 8
Test E 500mgs Weeks 1 - 8
Off time Weeks 9,10
PCT(Clomid + Nolva) Weeks 11, 12
Extra week of Off time Week 13

Cut:
Test E 500mgs Weeks 14 - 24
Eq 600 mgs Weeks 14 - 26
Winny 50 ED Weeks 19 - 24
ECA/CLEN 6 wk rotation Weeks 18 - 24
Off time Weeks 24 - 27
PCT (Clomid + Nolva) Weeks 27 - 31
25 mg of Proviron Weeks 18 - 24

.5mg of A-dex during Bulk and will bump it to 1mg per day for Cutting cycle because I want to stay dry as possible.


I've never done anything like this before but I think it could work.

Questions:
1) Should I purchase HCG for this? I am seriously thinking of incorporating it but not sure on what dose to use and how to spread it throughout??

2) Is there any point to doing PCT following the bulk cycle because of the short amount of time in between?

3) Should I sub the anavar for Tren E at 400mg per week? NEver tried tren before but I want to gain as much as possible in the 8 weeks of my bulk, so I'm still considering it.

Note: I am choosing not to go with Prop or any short ester because I travel to a new city almost every week due to my job and I don't want to risk the chance or deal with the hassle of getting caught with vials/pins.

Your input would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,

- Sliced

Bump.... come awn fellas this is supposed to be the premier resource for gear... just need a little help here. thnks

 

[BigCracker]

No, no, and no. How's that for a speedy response?

 

[cyrex]

well assuming you are set on doing them back to back, I think its completely pointless to have a break between and do any PCT because by the time your natural levels are back up you will be taking substances that will make them go back down

rather, keep your Test E in there throughout (wk 9-13) adjust your diet and start your EQ. Also I think it is a mistake to run your EQ longer than the enth, because the EQ has a longer half life which means that blood levels of the test will drop before the EQ which may hinder your PCT. I think you should switch it around.. run the Test 2 weeks past the EQ and begin PCT 2.5 weeks after last Test shot.

Definitely grab some HCG and use it throughout the cycle. This is a very long cycle and you will most likely get raisin nuts from it, so the HCG should help. I'll let someone else discuss dosages and frequencies of the HCG though

 

[scout69]

I have to admit I recently jumped from one cycle to the next, But this is not reccomended.And time on time off should be used but I say mix it up everyonce in a while

 

[cyrex]

I think a better route would be to just do some Test E and EQ kickstarted with that Anavar for a lean mass cycle.
Run the Test 2 weeks past the EQ.

run the anavar for the first 6 weeks

just run it as long as it takes to get up to 210-215 lbs
it may take 16-18 weeks..
keep your Caloric intake around 3000 Cal / day (more on any cardio days). with 200+ g protein.
Leave the diet right there throughout the whole thing. The idea is that it should be a decent mass building diet but as you gain muscle, it will be less and less of a surplus. Nearing the end, it should be enough to drop any fat gained and maybe drop a few lbs that was already there if you toss in some extra cardio.

That should get you to around 8 or 9% bf if your diet worksout well

if you stop your test around wk 18 then you will only need to be gaining about about 2 lbs per week starting out and can taper down to around 1.5 lbs/wk around when you finish. This should be very doable.

 

[dr_skier]

1)drop the var for 'bulkin'
2)bulking/cutting is more about diet anyways
2)run hcg the whole way through at 500iu E3D and dont stop half way for that pct
3)run test at x level and eq at x level the whole way through!

 

[Fajitas]

1)drop the var for 'bulkin'
2)bulking/cutting is more about diet anyways
2)run hcg the whole way through at 500iu E3D and dont stop half way for that pct
3)run test at x level and eq at x level the whole way through!

Agreed

 

[bigrand]

For the bulker, id replace the var with a better bulking drug (drol, dbol, deca).....dont PCT after the bulker, just go to the cutter........

Personally, i think all that juice for a CUTTER is a complete waste. You could make a full cycle with that (test and EQ) and use just the winny to cut with.

AAS dont have the fat burning effects of thermos or stims...they are best to keep the body performing well while in a cal defecit and to hold muscle.
The best cutter i did was drol at 50mg a day.....it was enough to keep the muscle on while dropping a LOT of fat.

Fat loss is 95% diet and cardio, why use 3 AAS when you get what you need out of 1? The other two arent going to do much more for cutting fat so id say save them.

 

[steelmass]

Bro, thats not a good idea at all. Test E won't clear until about week 10.5 (check halflife calculators - 100mg is still suppressive). Then you hop on more gear? Just stay on or actually take a break. Start HCG week 6. Run Arimidex throughout and 500 iu HCG once a week. Run Test E the whole time. Start EQ at the beginning. Change up your orals throughout. Only thing you should change from bulk to cut is diet/clen/eca/t3.