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How many people died during the Crusades?
 
It's hard to come up with an accurate number.
1. There are very few records
2. Do you count those who were killed in combat/sieges with those who died of starvation and disease etc. etc.

Suffice it to say, a lot.
 
If you take into account how long they lasted( from 1095 to 1291), and the type of weapons used, I would say around 2 million, give or take a couple hundred thousand, would be a safe estimate.
 
Subzeero said:
who is a historian here?
Well, I was a Honors History Major at arguably the best MH program in the US at the time and took graduate level classes as an undergrad.....

What do you consider a historian?
 
javaguru said:
Well, I was a Honors History Major at arguably the best MH program in the US at the time and took graduate level classes as an undergrad.....

What do you consider a historian?


I am impressed!

If you have any professional business in investgating the details of the crusades as a historian then go ahead and do your research. Otherwise, i am sure that there are better things to ponder.
 
Gambino said:
so you are implying that iraq is similiar to the crusades?
Of course not

But there a similarities between Iraq, Vietnam and Afghanistan (with the Soviets)
 
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes.
Those who do not read history are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of their predecessors are destined to repeat them.
 
interesting

Religion will be the end of us all

as it has been for a sizeable part of the world population during yany age you pick
 
anyone who thinks the crusades ever ended is a fool.......no less!! Just because there aren't knights on horseback riding out to the old country anymore, doesn't mean the reason for the crusades ever went away and people stopped plotting how to wrest control of that land away. Giving the jews Israel in 1948 was a furthering of the crusades. The war between christianity and Islam.....with the jews sitting back and watching.......is going on, and will continue into the forseeable future. The morons that run this world are locked in the self fullfilling phrophecies of the Old Testament. I give much credit to the people who it...it's genius!! It frightens people into action that is diametrically opposed to what god would want........which is people not killing over any god damn piece of fucking real estate on his planet that he gave us. To think that one piece of land is holier than the other...........rubbish. But yes, we'll keep doing it.........for reasons I can't even begin to fathom.
 
redsamurai said:
anyone who thinks the crusades ever ended is a fool.......no less!! Just because there aren't knights on horseback riding out to the old country anymore, doesn't mean the reason for the crusades ever went away and people stopped plotting how to wrest control of that land away. Giving the jews Israel in 1948 was a furthering of the crusades. The war between christianity and Islam.....with the jews sitting back and watching.......is going on, and will continue into the forseeable future. The morons that run this world are locked in the self fullfilling phrophecies of the Old Testament. I give much credit to the people who it...it's genius!! It frightens people into action that is diametrically opposed to what god would want........which is people not killing over any god damn piece of fucking real estate on his planet that he gave us. To think that one piece of land is holier than the other...........rubbish. But yes, we'll keep doing it.........for reasons I can't even begin to fathom.

yeah, not like the jews have been at war at all the last 40 yrs
:rolleyes:
 
redsamurai said:
anyone who thinks the crusades ever ended is a fool.......no less!! Just because there aren't knights on horseback riding out to the old country anymore, doesn't mean the reason for the crusades ever went away and people stopped plotting how to wrest control of that land away
Agreed
 
Gambino said:
yeah, not like the jews have been at war at all the last 40 yrs
:rolleyes:

without our support they wouldn't have lasted these 40 years.......and who's military equipment were they using?? Not that those guys aren't tough mother fuckers.......you have to be as a jewish nation sitting right smack in the middle of the most volatile part of the world.
 
redsamurai said:
without our support they wouldn't have lasted these 40 years.......and who's military equipment were they using?? Not that those guys aren't tough mother fuckers.......you have to be as a jewish nation sitting right smack in the middle of the most volatile part of the world.
Not to mention they've been dealing with suicide bombers since the late 1940's. Their initial fight for Statehood is very inspirational. Scrounging every weapon they could find and operating firearm stamping plants in basements. Interesting story, they purchased a large quantity of captured German Mauser rifles and found out the sight posts had been intentionally bent by the slave laborers at Skoda Works.
 
redsamurai said:
without our support they wouldn't have lasted these 40 years.......and who's military equipment were they using?? Not that those guys aren't tough mother fuckers.......you have to be as a jewish nation sitting right smack in the middle of the most volatile part of the world.


thing is also, they are the only functioning democracy in the region. not one country around them can say that. the wars they have faced have been about land, most of the jews see it as survival.

people will fight for a democracy much better than those freak nations around them and their primitive societies. i mean no disrespect to the muslims, but they gotta contemporize with free speech and womens rights, and such.
then they will be a power.

as long as 2 percent of muslims live like kings, the others like peasants they will never field a powerful army .

2 excellent books on the last few wars are:
from beirut to jerusalem - thomas l. friedman
six days of war - michael b. oren

i went all the way to another room to fetch these books so i could post them, they are excellent reads if you are interested in the region ands its history.
 
domoljub said:
thing is also, they are the only functioning democracy in the region. not one country around them can say that. the wars they have faced have been about land, most of the jews see it as survival.
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The only functioning democracy? maybe, but at what price? do you know how many Palestinian women and children are slaughtered almost everyday by the IDF? and i'm not gonna mention men because your gonna say their terrorists wether they are or not. It's a shame when I watch the news when i'm in the US to see how heavily censored it is, people NEVER get the whole story, EVER.
cheers.
 
MAJNOON said:
The only functioning democracy? maybe, but at what price? do you know how many Palestinian women and children are slaughtered almost everyday by the IDF? and i'm not gonna mention men because your gonna say their terrorists wether they are or not. It's a shame when I watch the news when i'm in the US to see how heavily censored it is, people NEVER get the whole story, EVER.
cheers.
cause lemme guess...the jews run the media and prevent the truth from getting out :rolleyes:
the jewish state has defeated the muslims 3 times, they've earned their stripes.
the muslims in the region have small penile issues
long live israel
 
it ain't that cut and dry son.......that situation is ALOT more complicated that jews=good muslims=bad. You'd fight too if you got kicked off your land because the so called "chosen" people got the world to reinstate their land they vacated thousands of years ago. Now I in no way sympathize with "muslims"......but I do sympathize with palestinians. I hope the palestinians can someday just accept Israel and think for themselves and what's best for them rather than have the thugs in the region dictate to them how they should relate to Israel.......but Israel has to also stop outposting. That's unacceptable expansionism driven by the phrophecies of the OT. I mean for gods sake.....do you have to take every last piece of thier land? Do you realize that everytime they set up a new outpost they oust families from their homes and land? Do you fucking realize that? I mean do you really fucking realize that even to this day they are taking people's land away from them? I think there may be a moratorium right now on outposts because the international outcry is finally getting heated......but if not for that they would simply keep expanding. This is not helping things. I beleive that the state of Israel has the right to exist......because we can't go back to 1948. But if they want peace, which some of them don't........they need to act accordingly. And let me remind you once more that in general I hate Islam, like I hate every other religion on this planet........this is simply about being decent human beings and not steamrolling simple people who incidentally have the same right to life and land as anybody else on planet earth, PERIOD!



Gambino said:
cause lemme guess...the jews run the media and prevent the truth from getting out :rolleyes:
the jewish state has defeated the muslims 3 times, they've earned their stripes.
the muslims in the region have small penile issues
long live israel
 
Gambino said:
cause lemme guess...the jews run the media and prevent the truth from getting out :rolleyes:
the jewish state has defeated the muslims 3 times, they've earned their stripes.
the muslims in the region have small penile issues
long live israel


Calm down dude! who said anything about jews runing the media? were just having a discussion. And why the hell did u bomb me? for what? "you and the Muslims should leave the USA"!?! that's some racist shit there, sorry, I didn't know that the USA was your property.
 
pintoca said:
interesting

Religion will be the end of us all

as it has been for a sizeable part of the world population during yany age you pick
I believe with each passing generation religion becomes less influential
all religions
 
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