Critique this cycle please lads

[Tatyana]

1 - 6: 0.5mg Injectable Methyltrienolone ED
1 - 6: 50mg Anadrol ED
1 - 7: 25mg Test Suspension ED
1 - 6: 250mg Enanthate Per Week
1 - 12: 100mg NPP EOD
7 - 12: 500mg Enanthate Per Week
12 - 14: 300mg Prop Per Week
2 - 14: 500 i.u.s HCG Per Week
15 - 17: 100mg Clomid / 50mg Clomid / 50mg Clomid

500 mg test ethanate the first two weeks

I have some concerns about my mate.

He has had some problems with his test levels being in the toilet and this is the cycle he wants to do.

24 years old, training for about 4 years (although I also know he doesn't train as hard as he can as I have trained with him, with the exception of legs and back, he will push it) 86 kg - 189 lb, 11-12% bodyfat, and 5' 8.

He has posted this on a UK site, but I just want to double check.

 

[Mavafanculo]

i dont know anything about Methyltrienolone , other than its a nandrolone and rare

he's doing 3 fast nandrolones in the first 6 weeks, but the total dose doesnt seem too high even for a noob

the NPP will clear faster than deca, so recovery _should_ be smoother

dosing is individual -- and too many variables. is this his first cycle?

 

[sensational]

i dont know anything about Methyltrienolone , other than its a nandrolone and rare

he's doing 3 fast nandrolones in the first 6 weeks, but the total dose doesnt seem too high even for a noob

the NPP will clear faster than deca, so recovery _should_ be smoother

dosing is individual -- and too many variables. is this his first cycle?

Methyltrienolone is both very powerful and very toxic. Taking it with Anadrol poses a very serious risk to his liver.

At the very least, he should be getting his liver values checked a couple of weeks into the cycle.

Methyltrienolone is very intriguing, but is truly the double edged sword.

 

[Mavafanculo]

why people insist on being guinea pigs for "cutting edge" drugs is beyond me

 

[sensational]

When Methy-T it was being tested in the middle sixties and early seventies, it was dubbed at "the most hepatotoxic steroid currently known".

I am sure its results are amazing, but please tell your friend to be very careful Tatyana, especially when using this with anadrol. It is of note though, that .5mg ED is the low end of the effective range, so hopefully he will be fine.

 

[eddymerckx]

does he really want to pin the Test Suspension for ed 7 weeks? the pain is pretty bad

methyltrienolone is for lean mass sort of makes no sense to take at the same time as a-bombs (i have never heard of an injectable version--but i am old and avoid those sorts of gear)

 

[GUARDIAN]

other than the "1 - 6: 0.5mg Injectable Methyltrienolone ED & 1 - 6: 50mg Anadrol ED"
i think the cycle looks fine, not knowing a whole lot about your mate.

the choice of compounds, weeks, & dosages are unique that is for sure but nothing that is setting off alarms except those two orals. I personally would drop both.

he may also want to continue to run the hcg until week 17. i see not mention of AI's or dostinex.

 

[Mavafanculo]

When Methy-T it was being tested in the middle sixties and early seventies, it was dubbed at "the most hepatotoxic steroid currently known".

I am sure its results are amazing, but please tell your friend to be very careful Tatyana, especially when using this with anadrol. It is of note though, that .5mg ED is the low end of the effective range, so hopefully he will be fine.

if its been around since the 60's, more reason to stay away -- If it was risk/reward positive, you'd hear about it in more Pro cycles, and the UGs would be carrying it same as tren etc - instead of it being a footnote in profiles

there's a reason it fell by the wayside -- safety as you say or perhaps cost and effectiveness. better results elsewhere with less risk?

 

[Tatyana]

i dont know anything about Methyltrienolone , other than its a nandrolone and rare

he's doing 3 fast nandrolones in the first 6 weeks, but the total dose doesnt seem too high even for a noob

the NPP will clear faster than deca, so recovery _should_ be smoother

dosing is individual -- and too many variables. is this his first cycle?

Third or fourth cycle.

He is back into training, he pulled 260 kg/572 lb dead lift today.

He may be a bit shorter, I think he lies a bit about his height.

Think of a typical Welsh physique, he has the same sort of build as James 'Flex' Lewis, legs at least, upper body not as developed.

 

[Tatyana]

does he really want to pin the Test Suspension for ed 7 weeks? the pain is pretty bad

methyltrienolone is for lean mass sort of makes no sense to take at the same time as a-bombs (i have never heard of an injectable version--but i am old and avoid those sorts of gear)

I am pretty sure he does quad injections.


I will make sure he gets bloods, he just moved back to London from Wales, but he probably is registered with a GP.

He didn't get much feedback on the UK board, so this is great.

He did send me the link for methyltrienolone, and I meant to cut and paste the info about it, I think it is meant to be be like tren, binds strongly to the androgen receptors is all I can remember.

 

[sensational]

I am pretty sure he does quad injections.


I will make sure he gets bloods, he just moved back to London from Wales, but he probably is registered with a GP.

He didn't get much feedback on the UK board, so this is great.

He did send me the link for methyltrienolone, and I meant to cut and paste the info about it, I think it is meant to be be like tren, binds strongly to the androgen receptors is all I can remember.

Yes, it binds unbelievably well to the androgen receptor, and is/was used in research as a comparative agent in androgen receptor activity. Purportedly, and this is according to William Llewellyn's book, it resists binding to serum proteins (like SHBG) and resists metabolism unbelievably well. Its research in humans is limited due to its toxicity.

My understanding is that the only correlation this drug shares with trenbolone is that it is a nandrolone analogue, but it is structurally altered such that its effects can't be correlated to anything but itself.

My advice on this cycle would be to substitute trenbolone for Methytrienolone, and get cabaser to get counteract the possible prolactin issues associated with using multiple nandrolone analogues.

It is a bit complicated of a cycle, but if thats what gets his train rolling, so be it.

 

[Tatyana]

In my opinion, his training is not ideal for his chest, shoulders and arms.

He hammers his back and legs, squats and leg presses scary weights, and he has worked out his calories and macros a couple of times (well you would expect that wouldn't you being my mate )

He does do a lot of research, but as I mentioned, he didn't get the feedback he wanted on a UK board.

I wish he would do a simple cycle like my regular training buddy, who will do things like short cycles of winnie.

So funny, I do know what the men around me are injecting in their bums.

I think they ask me/tell me what they are doing cause they know I won't freak, just make sure they are doing the safest and most sensible cycle, and kick their butts if their diet or training slacks off.

 

[sensational]

In my opinion, his training is not ideal for his chest, shoulders and arms.

He hammers his back and legs, squats and leg presses scary weights, and he has worked out his calories and macros a couple of times (well you would expect that wouldn't you being my mate )

He does do a lot of research, but as I mentioned, he didn't get the feedback he wanted on a UK board.

I wish he would do a simple cycle like my regular training buddy, who will do things like short cycles of winnie.

So funny, I do know what the men around me are injecting in their bums.

I think they ask me/tell me what they are doing cause they know I won't freak, just make sure they are doing the safest and most sensible cycle, and kick their butts if their diet or training slacks off.

Ladies like you are the best. My girlfriend is the same way, God bless you all!

 

[Tatyana]

Update, the methyltriene is injectable, so not as liver harsh, and he got Liv 52 today

Also here is the diet

7.00: 80g Oats, 20g Whey 24.8P, 48C, 8F, 364Kcal

7.45: 2 Whole Eggs, 20g Whey, 1cup Frozen Berries 32P, 17C, 16F, 350Kcal

8.30: TRAIN 1

9.30: PWO Shake (WMS, Whey etc) 24P, 50C, 275Kcal, 3g Creatine, 4.5g Glutamine

10.30: 200g Chicken, Mixed Veg, Mixed Beans, Spinach, 20g Basmati Rice (Dry Weight) 53.5P, 35C, 2.4F, 400Kcal

11.30: 2 Whole Eggs, 10g Whey 24P, 14.5F 240Kcal

12.30: 200g Chicken, 40 g protein

12.30: 200g Chicken, 40g Basmati Rice 49P, 31C, 2.4F, 360Kcal

1.30: TRAIN 2

2.30: PWO Shake (WMS, Whey etc) 24P, 50C, 275Kcal, 3g Creatine, 4.5g Glutamine

3.30: 200g Chicken, Mixed Veg, Mixed Beans, Spinach, 20g Basmati Rice (Dry Weight) 53.5P, 35C, 2.4F, 400Kcal

4.30: 2 Whole Eggs, 10g Whey 24P, 14.5F 240Kcal

5.30: 200g Chicken, Mixed Veg, Mixed Beans, Spinach, 20g Basmati Rice (Dry Weight) 53.5P, 35C, 2.4F, 400Kcal

7.00: 200g Chicken, Mixed Veg, Mixed Beans, Spinach, 20g Basmati Rice (Dry Weight) 53.5P, 35C, 2.4F, 400Kcal

8.30: Banana 1.3P, 27C, 105Kcal

10:00: 3 Whole Eggs, 10g Whey 24P, 22F, 300Kcal


441g Protein, 363g Carbs, 85g Fats, 4109Kcals as 44% Protein, 36% Carbs, 20% Fats

And some of the training

Bench press, 3x5
Weighted Dips, 3x5
Incline Dumbell Press, 3x5

Dumbell Press, 2x10-12
Decline Smith Press, 2x10-12
Cable Flies, 2x10-12
Hammer Curls, 2x10-12
Cable Curls, 2x10-12


I am so proud, he didn't know how to sort out a diet when we first started hanging out

 

[sugashane]

Test suspesion and anadrol? Thats a very strong combo, but neither will help him with keeping gains. And as far as I'm concerned, Anadrol is garbage. Huge gains followed by huge losses. Hopefully he does smaller cycles instead. Heres what will likely happen. He will balloon up, get strong very quick. He may even gain 30 pounds. But after he gets off, he'll lose the gains rapidly. I'd bet he'd lose 20 pounds. And he would need to stay off for over 30 weeks. So maybe 10 lbs in almost a year, with how much he would have to pay and all the stress he put on his body? Not worth it. He should do smaller cycles without Anadrol. Dbol is a better choice. Think of this. An eight week cycle where he could gain 7-10 pounds. His body could better accept this amount of mass, would not damage his body near as much, would not wear out his steroid receptors, and could use gear again much sooner. With the small cycle, he could go on 8, off 16, and gain 7-10 pounds, then repeat. That would be MORE muscle in a year than the long cycle, much more friendly to his wallet, and a much more safe alternative,
But damn, I do have to say thats a solid diet. You did great a great job on it with him.

 

[xrsist]

1 - 4/6: 40/50mg dbol ED
1 - 12: 100mg NPP EOD
1 - 12: 500mg Enanthate Per Week
12 - 14: 300mg Prop Per Week
2 - 14: 500 i.u.s HCG Per Week
15 - 18: 50mg clomid ED
adex/aroma and letro on hand

he has a solid diet so my opinion ^