Critique my cycle please

[pdaddy]

This is a current pic of me. I'm getting ready to order a cycle that I'll post. This is my third cycle, first semi. sized one. I just wanted to make sure this would be efficient for what I'm looking for. I'm 6'1", been natural for about a year and a half now, 190lbs., not posotive my bf. %...maybe 12-14? I'm looking to put on at least 10-20 lbs. with as little water retention as possable. Before I get flammed on, I decieded no to do a test cycle because of previous side effects experienced last time I ran it. I have a very clean diet and very dedicated to the gym. I would also like to cut some fat while I'm at it. Here's the cycle:

wk 1-10: 300mg. Deca
wk 1-4: 25mg. Dbol
wk 9-12: 50mg. Winny (ed/eod?)

pct: wk 13 clomid, not sure how I want to run it yet though, any suggestions would be appreciated. I'm not prone to gyno at all, my previous cycles didn't even have pct, and I retained a lot of weight w/o any gyno. Any suggestions?

 

[ElMatador]

did you use dbol earlier??
...add some nolva during the cycle...

 

[Neo22]

did you use dbol earlier??
...add some nolva during the cycle...

Theres no point in running nolva during his cycle. He DOES NOT NEED IT.

 

[organon250]

i would up the deca to 400mg's especially since its not your first cycle.

 

[silverbackn]

It will be very hard to gain 10-20 pounds with those dosages, even if you hadn't cycled before which you have.

 

[pdaddy]

How about if I upped the Deca to 400wk and the Dbol to 30? I have ran a Dbol only cycle before and my body responded to it in a huge way!

I know dostinex is recomended for pct with deca, but I'm unable to get my hands on some. Do you think clomid would be proficient enough?

 

[Makavelli]

It will be very hard to gain 10-20 pounds with those dosages, even if you hadn't cycled before which you have.

I agree. If you want to gain that much you had better run either EQ or Deca at around 800 mgs/wk, I prefer EQ due to the problems with Deca w/o test, up the D-Bol to at least 50 mgs/day and run it for 8 weeks.

 

[silverbackn]

I agree. If you want to gain that much you had better run either EQ or Deca at around 800 mgs/wk, I prefer EQ due to the problems with Deca w/o test, up the D-Bol to at least 50 mgs/day and run it for 8 weeks.

Once again Mak is right on the money, this would be a much more effective cycle.

 

[pdaddy]

I'll have to do that, has anyone ever tried the British D. decca?

 

[shamrock11]

How about if I upped the Deca to 400wk and the Dbol to 30? I have ran a Dbol only cycle before and my body responded to it in a huge way!

I know dostinex is recomended for pct with deca, but I'm unable to get my hands on some. Do you think clomid would be proficient enough?

No clomid will not be enough. It will do nothing for prolactin induced g2yon or sides for that matter. You need some dostinex or casabar. You are going to need to up the deca to at least 600mg a week and up the dbol to at least 50mg a day. Hope this helps.

 

[Bruce]

yep shammy knows my stance 600 no less boyee.

 

[pdaddy]

How about if I upped the Deca to 600wk for 8 wks. and substituted the dbol for 250wk of test e. for 10 wks. I figure if I keep the dose relatively low I will be able to eliminate most sides...what do you think?

 

[silverbackn]

How about if I upped the Deca to 600wk for 8 wks. and substituted the dbol for 250wk of test e. for 10 wks. I figure if I keep the dose relatively low I will be able to eliminate most sides...what do you think?

That looks much better to me than your original outline, you shouldn't have many sides at that dosage.

 

[crfpilot14]

250mg test is not going to be enough so just leave it out...just run the deca 600mg and dbol 50mg with winny 50-100mg ed the last 6wks. you may look into getting some adex if you havent used that much dbol before to combat the bloat....but i doubt you will have much considering your history. dostinex may not be needed with the winny, but just in case you can get it at http://www.buy-dostinex.com/buy-dostinex/Buy_Dostinex_Cabergoline_Cabaser.asp. good luck.

 

[silverbackn]

250mg test is not going to be enough so just leave it out...just run the deca 600mg and dbol 50mg with winny 50-100mg ed the last 6wks. you may look into getting some adex if you havent used that much dbol before to combat the bloat....but i doubt you will have much considering your history. dostinex may not be needed with the winny, but just in case you can get it at http://www.buy-dostinex.com/buy-dostinex/Buy_Dostinex_Cabergoline_Cabaser.asp. good luck.

I disagree. Personally I would never run test that low dose, but i would rather him have the test at 250mg's than the d-bol. It's the lesser of two evils IMHO. BTW, I am running a g right now.

 

[Roatan]

damn cuz, $17.50/tab? i might drop the deca and run something else instead if i had to buy dostinex for pro lac sides. what the dosage for dostinex, bros? anyone?

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250mg test is not going to be enough so just leave it out...just run the deca 600mg and dbol 50mg with winny 50-100mg ed the last 6wks. you may look into getting some adex if you havent used that much dbol before to combat the bloat....but i doubt you will have much considering your history. dostinex may not be needed with the winny, but just in case you can get it at http://www.buy-dostinex.com/buy-dostinex/Buy_Dostinex_Cabergoline_Cabaser.asp. good luck.

 

[pdaddy]

250mg test is not going to be enough so just leave it out...just run the deca 600mg and dbol 50mg with winny 50-100mg ed the last 6wks. you may look into getting some adex if you havent used that much dbol before to combat the bloat....but i doubt you will have much considering your history. dostinex may not be needed with the winny, but just in case you can get it at http://www.buy-dostinex.com/buy-dostinex/Buy_Dostinex_Cabergoline_Cabaser.asp. good luck.

How much of the Dostinex would you reccomend I run? Is cabasar a generic version? Is it possable to run a cycle yielding descent results with only a few products and keeping the price under five bills...?!?!

 

[crfpilot14]

run 0.5mg e4d of the dostinex. as far as the test, you can run 250mg/wk if you want as it will go well with the deca, but the dbol will go just as well if you have used it before with little sides...what sides did you get with the test in the past? personally, i dont like dbol, but it does work well...but i dont like the charlie brown face it gives...even on 1mg adex. some react worse than others. i would use the test at 500mg/wk instead of the dbol...but run an aromatase inhibitor if you are getting some sides.

 

[pdaddy]

run 0.5mg e4d of the dostinex. as far as the test, you can run 250mg/wk if you want as it will go well with the deca, but the dbol will go just as well if you have used it before with little sides...what sides did you get with the test in the past? personally, i dont like dbol, but it does work well...but i dont like the charlie brown face it gives...even on 1mg adex. some react worse than others. i would use the test at 500mg/wk instead of the dbol...but run an aromatase inhibitor if you are getting some sides.

That is a pretty steep price for the Dostinex, I might have to rethink my cycle entirely! OK, test E @500wk for ten wks., winny 50mg ed for wks 9-12. This would be a whole lot cheaper and less to take, but would it yield good results? The sides I had before was terrible bacne, and I have NEVER in my life had an acne problem, it was terrible, I couldn't see the point on having all that test making me horny and I was embarrased to even take my shirt off. MPB isn't a problem for me so I don't have to worry about that.

Would Liquidex be enough for an antiaromatizing agent, and if so at what dosage. I really do appreciate all the feedback!

 

[crfpilot14]

MANY people on here have (and do) run nandrolone-based cycles without dostinex and do just fine. it is recommended but not mandatory. here is what i would do...
deca 400mg/wk 1-10
test e 500mg/wk 1-10
winny 50mg ed wk6-12
liquidex 0.5mg ed wk1-12

start PCT wk 13 as follows...
HCG 1000IU MWF for 3wks along with nolva 20mg ed and clomid 50mg ed, after the 3wks stop the HCG but continue the nolva/clomid for another 2-3wks. you can do this differently based on what has worked in the past...ie...only use nolva and clomid, HCG/nolva, or HCG/clomid...as long as you have a SERM at proper doses you should recover...BUT deca is known to shut a person down pretty hard...therefore i recommend the first PCT routine above...you should be able to get all of the above for ~$600.

as far as your bacne...there are many ways to reduce it but if you are prone to it then you may still get it. 2 showers per day with very good skin hygiene and some finasteride at small doses daily should help out. good luck.

 

[crfpilot14]

you will probably grow just as much on just one drug, but since you were stacking to begin with...this is what i came up with. with your diet and training, you can easily net 10-15lbs with the stack above.

 

[pdaddy]

you will probably grow just as much on just one drug, but since you were stacking to begin with...this is what i came up with. with your diet and training, you can easily net 10-15lbs with the stack above.

I imagine you're refering to the test. What would be the point in stacking and spending when all can be achieved with one? I would prefer this by far. I would like to throw winny in the mix though b/c of the good things I've heard about it and for the cutting properties.

 

[silverbackn]

I don't think Winny has cutting properties. I used it pre-contest and was already very lean when I used it, but I don't think it has any magic fat loss effect.

 

[Makavelli]

I imagine you're refering to the test. What would be the point in stacking and spending when all can be achieved with one? I would prefer this by far. I would like to throw winny in the mix though b/c of the good things I've heard about it and for the cutting properties.

I'm not sure why you running D-Bol if you're worried about the sides with test. They are very similar in terms of sides. The best cycle for your goal would be test/EQ or test/deca for 12-16 weeks. You could add in winny the last 6 weeks.

 

[silverbackn]

I think you would have worse sides with d-bol than with test due to the fact that your blood levels will be all over the place. On a mg per mg basis you should have way less sides with test.

 

[pdaddy]

Ok how about this: Deca@400wk 10 wks, test e.@500wk 11 weeks, while running the liquidex throughout. Then run the nolva and clomid for pct? Is this sufficient?

If I were to run EQ instead of the Decca, how much is recomended?

 

[crfpilot14]

Ok how about this: Deca@400wk 10 wks, test e.@500wk 11 weeks, while running the liquidex throughout. Then run the nolva and clomid for pct? Is this sufficient?

If I were to run EQ instead of the Decca, how much is recomended?

basically what i suggested above! if you want to use EQ instead, go with 600mg/wk for 12wks...something like this...

test e 500mg/wk 1-12
EQ 600mg/wk 1-12
winny 50mg ed 6-12
ldex 0.5mg ed 1-12

PCT: start 10days after last injection...
Clomid 30mg day1, 150mg day2-8, 50mg day9-28
nolva 20mg ed day1-28 (or 40mg ed the middle 2wks)

you should inject the EQ e3d and the test can be injected every other EQ inject..ie e6d to make it simple. i think you are lean enough to see some benefit from the winny...

 

[crfpilot14]

you can get some dostinex (cabaser) here as well....much cheaper...supposedly they werent taking any more orders but i can get to the credit card entry page so they may be taking orders now...try it and see...

http://www.aurapharm.com/cabergoline.htm

 

[junk]

damn cuz, $17.50/tab? i might drop the deca and run something else instead if i had to buy dostinex for pro lac sides. what the dosage for dostinex, bros? anyone?
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Roatan, Nandrolone will raise prolacin, Trenbolone will raise prolactin even more. Prolactin is BAD, if you feel the sides or doesn't feel the sides, the higher prolactin will circulate your system and may give problems further along the way. The price you listed is not the price. You should contact the buy-dostinex.com site for their 20 1mg tabs. It will come down to something like $3 a tab, considering you need just about max 2 tabs a week, it's cheaper then feeling prolacin nasty sides trust me.