Criticize my cycle (recent stats included)

[mauit44]

I am planning to do my second cycle and would like some additional imput before I get started. I just got tested yesterday, my stats are as follow:

Age: 44
Weight: 180lbs
Height: 5'10"
BodyAge: 41
Lean Body Mass: 146.9lbs
Fat Mass: 33.1lbs
Body Fat: 18.4%

My goals are to improve mass, strength, vascularity, and lower body fat, while minimizing bloat. My first cycle (18 months ago), consisted of a 12 wk cycle of: dbol/deca/sust, and got negative sides; such as deca dick and bloating.

My new cycle would be as follows:

wks 1 - 12: Test e 500mgs/Primo 500mgs x wk, and Anavar 40mgs ED (first 6 wks of cycle).

PCT: Two weeks after last injection - HCG 2500iu twice a week the first week of PCT, plus clomid 50mg ed 4 wks
nolva 60mg wk 1, 40mg wk2, 20mg wk3, 20mg wk4.


What do you think?

 

[mikefear]

drop the nolva.

use aifm on cycle to keep the bloat off. use some proviron if you want. otherwise, it looks good.

oh yeah, break that hcg up to 500-1000iu ed for 5000iu

 

[mauit44]

drop the nolva.

use aifm on cycle to keep the bloat off. use some proviron if you want. otherwise, it looks good.

oh yeah, break that hcg up to 500-1000iu ed for 5000iu

Thanks, but the Nolva stays, and so is the 2500iu twice for the first week.

 

[niv]

Age: 44
Weight: 180lbs
Height: 5'10"
BodyAge: 41
Lean Body Mass: 146.9lbs
Fat Mass: 33.1lbs
Body Fat: 18.4%

[/B]

what the hell's body age?? did you make that up??

 

[KD1]

5'10 180 with 18% BF?

You dont need a cycle you need to bust you ass at the gym.

You could easily get to 190@10-12% by this time next year with good diet and training.

Then your cycle would show much more visible gains.

 

[wags8]

Some people's body ages faster than their heads. For example, I have an older head than my body. Actually, I don't know either...

 

[al420]

5'10 180 with 18% BF?

You dont need a cycle you need to bust you ass at the gym.

You could easily get to 190@10-12% by this time next year with good diet and training.

Then your cycle would show much more visible gains.

Really - is this a fucking joke?

 

[tonyroma]

what the hell's body age?? did you make that up??

lmfao!!!! seriously............ I'm 21, sometimes it takes my girl a while to get my dick hard, does that mean I have a body age of 52?

 

[Mrpumped]

Really - is this a fucking joke?

It's got to be a joke. I just don't get people sometimes. If it were easy to get to 190lbs with 10-12%bf with just diet and training, than that individual would have to have some incredible genetics, or have been training for years and dieted down from higher weight.

 

[KD1]

It's got to be a joke. I just don't get people sometimes. If it were easy to get to 190lbs with 10-12%bf with just diet and training, than that individual would have to have some incredible genetics, or have been training for years and dieted down from higher weight.

Thats what people tell themselves who lack the will to train hard and lack the discipline to eat right.

 

[mauit44]

Thats what people tell themselves who lack the will to train hard and lack the discipline to eat right.

Let me clarify things a bit. First off, 41yrs "body age" means that even though I'm 44yrs old, my body is the same as a 41 yr old, if that makes any sense, and yes, some people have an "older" body age then their actual age, so if you're in your twenties and have erection problems, you can either blame genetics or gear, or at least some gear especially Deca. At 44, I still don't have erection problems, except for the time I did Deca during my first cycle 18 months ago.

Second, I have not worked out nor dieted for about 18 months, due to severe digestive problems and I couldn't eat anything. I am on a new medication now, and I finally feel like my old self again.

Third, I have always been a hardgainer (naturally at least), these last 2 reasons would explain the high bodyfat, not to mention I am not looking to get into competition, not anytime soon at least.
I am hoping that this cycle will get me out of the rot I'm in right now, plus help me build more muscle and shed body fat.

Anyways, this wasn't the kind of criticism I was looking for? But merely advice and criticism on the cycle I posted.

 

[al420]

Anyways, this wasn't the kind of criticism I was looking for? But merely advice and criticism on the cycle I posted.

Awww...poor baby.lol

Get your BF% to 15% before you start. Stay on a super strict diet/water program for 2 months before you start. Be in the gym for at least 12 weeks training your ass off before you start of your going to hurt a tendon or something like that.

At 44yrs I hope I am able to take advice better.

 

[Mrpumped]

Thats what people tell themselves who lack the will to train hard and lack the discipline to eat right.

So what you're saying is that you reached 190lbs at 10-12%bf before ever running your first cycle! If so then I understand your argument but if not,then stop talking shit allright!

 

[wags8]

Al420 just doesn't like little guys... Just kidding. Peace, bro.

 

[bigmodean]

Awww...poor baby.lol

Get your BF% to 15% before you start. Stay on a super strict diet/water program for 2 months before you start. Be in the gym for at least 12 weeks training your ass off before you start of your going to hurt a tendon or something like that.

At 44yrs I hope I am able to take advice better.

Yea,no kidding,Mikefear gives the guy good advice about the Nolva and HCG,and he's like..."No,and No."Good luck.........

 

[KD1]

So what you're saying is that you reached 190lbs at 10-12%bf before ever running your first cycle! If so then I understand your argument but if not,then stop talking shit allright!

I was 185 @6'1", 10%, was very cut after cutting down from 200, where I couldent have been more than 15% ( still had 4 pack @200 ).

It really only took me a year to get to that condition after rededicating myself following a failed relationship. I was a casual 2-3x a week lifter for a couple years before that so I guess I did have a solid base.

All I did was bust my ass in the gym 6x a week and eat clean. People thought I was "on" before I ever was - there is no doubt now lol.

 

[mauit44]

I was 185 @6'1", 10%, was very cut after cutting down from 200, where I couldent have been more than 15% ( still had 4 pack @200 ).

It really only took me a year to get to that condition after rededicating myself following a failed relationship. I was a casual 2-3x a week lifter for a couple years before that so I guess I did have a solid base.

All I did was bust my ass in the gym 6x a week and eat clean. People thought I was "on" before I ever was - there is no doubt now lol.

For those of us who have always had a hard time gaining it's not so simple. I have been lifting weights since I was 17 yrs old, and all I was ever able to achieve is get a bit harder and a little more defined (no mass), and in spite of all the time I spent in the gym, and a proper diet and supplements, I could never pack on the pounds. This is why I am resorting to gear now at 44, plus the fact that my test levels aren't what they use to be when I was younger... not that that ever helped me any anyways. I don't have a problem taking advice, this is why I'm here in the first place, however I like to take advice by those who truly know what they're talking about and have more experience than me on the subject of steroids. I have been on other boards, and most people agreed with my PCT, and here comes some guy and tells me not to do Nolva. Like I said, I don't have a problem taking advice, but if anyone is going to put down and criticize my cycle and PCT, they better know what they are saying as well as giving me a reason for their disagreement. It's like telling someone to jump off a bridge, and he jumps, lol!
Would you do that?

 

[bilter]

first off keep the nolva 20mg PD is fine run it throughout the cycle 'till the end of PCT, it will help keep lipids in line while on the var (add some policosonal, omega3 and red rice yeast or supps), run the hcg for the last 14 day while you are still on test / primo at 500iu EOD, then start the rest of your PCT 10 days after last inject.


this is a tough crowd.............

 

[mauit44]

first off keep the nolva 20mg PD is fine run it throughout the cycle 'till the end of PCT, it will help keep lipids in line while on the var (add some policosonal, omega3 and red rice yeast or supps), run the hcg for the last 14 day while you are still on test / primo at 500iu EOD, then start the rest of your PCT 10 days after last inject.


this is a tough crowd.............

Thank you.. Now we're talking

 

[omega529]

I am planning to do my second cycle and would like some additional imput before I get started. I just got tested yesterday, my stats are as follow:

Age: 44
Weight: 180lbs
Height: 5'10"
BodyAge: 41
Lean Body Mass: 146.9lbs
Fat Mass: 33.1lbs
Body Fat: 18.4%

My goals are to improve mass, strength, vascularity, and lower body fat, while minimizing bloat. My first cycle (18 months ago), consisted of a 12 wk cycle of: dbol/deca/sust, and got negative sides; such as deca dick and bloating.

My new cycle would be as follows:

wks 1 - 12: Test e 500mgs/Primo 500mgs x wk, and Anavar 40mgs ED (first 6 wks of cycle).

PCT: Two weeks after last injection - HCG 2500iu twice a week the first week of PCT, plus clomid 50mg ed 4 wks
nolva 60mg wk 1, 40mg wk2, 20mg wk3, 20mg wk4.


What do you think?

I do agree that you should get down to at least 15%Bf, but its up to you....as far as PCT, Clomid looks good, HCG, doset look bad to me, but some would argue that you should do 500iu/day....personally i do fine at 5000iu once a week for 3 weeks, but theirs different stroke for different folk...nolvadex, i would go at 40mg first 2 weeks then 20 for the last to (although really 20mg is all thats usually needed)....but 60mg i think would be fine......you may want to add adex in their at 1mg either ED or EOD, depending on how prone you ae to gyno....nolva will help that, but i find adex to work a bit better.....................oh, i think you should start HCG the last day of cycle (or even a week before the last day).

GOOD Luck!

 

[mauit44]

I do agree that you should get down to at least 15%Bf, but its up to you....as far as PCT, Clomid looks good, HCG, doset look bad to me, but some would argue that you should do 500iu/day....personally i do fine at 5000iu once a week for 3 weeks, but theirs different stroke for different folk...nolvadex, i would go at 40mg first 2 weeks then 20 for the last to (although really 20mg is all thats usually needed)....but 60mg i think would be fine......you may want to add adex in their at 1mg either ED or EOD, depending on how prone you ae to gyno....nolva will help that, but i find adex to work a bit better.....................oh, i think you should start HCG the last day of cycle (or even a week before the last day).

GOOD Luck!

I was wondering about that, cuz I kept hearing peaple telling me to start HCG 2 wks after the last shot, but I disagreed. I did one cycle already once before and it was pretty aggressive for a 1st cycle: 500mgs Sust, 200mgs Deca, 30mgs dbol(first 6 wks of cycle).. my PCT sucked ass big time, I did 1500iu HCG one wk after end of cycle, and Nolva for 2 wks. Trurhfully, I was confused by all of the different information I kept getting from various people.. and ended up doing my own thing(just like I'll probably end up doing this time around). I do greatly appreciate the last two postings, since you could tell that the advice came from the heart, no sarcasm.. no nothing.
What do you know, the world is not entirely full of assholes after all!

 

[DJ_UFO]

I think there is a lot of people reading this thread, laughing and just not posting because you are already determined to do what you want to do and do not want critics nor advices. Being 44 years old doesn't make it a professor in steroids. according to your statistics you don't need steroids. Your body is naturally capable of gaining more mucle mass than you have. If you have years and years working out maybe you've never learned what routine works best for you and maybe you don't have a strict diet specially designed to add muscle mass. Even more, if you've been several months without working out and you wanna go back to the gym starting a steroid cycle, that tells me you have a whole bible to read and learn first.

 

[solidspine]

From a gear standpoint, I like your cycle, even with that sissy anavar.

 

[iHulk]

wks 1 - 12: Test e 500mgs/Primo 500mgs x wk, and Anavar 40mgs ED (first 6 wks of cycle).

PCT: Two weeks after last injection - HCG 2500iu twice a week the first week of PCT, plus clomid 50mg ed 4 wks
nolva 60mg wk 1, 40mg wk2, 20mg wk3, 20mg wk4. [/B]

12 weeker looks good.
Training and diet aside, you know what you need to do there. As for Gear:
test and primo stack looks good with regards to 500mg/wk each.
Var, I think you'll find 80mg better suited for building mass. Ramp it up for first 4 wks at 80-100mg and then back off for couple weeks. Add it again for last 2 weeks with whatever you have left over. Var is outta your system in days.

Seriously consider running proviron throughout cycle along with a light dose AI (AIFM, aromasin). This will keep you hard, horny and bloat free. PCT will be much easier, actually a cinch because you are controlling the sides throughout. Then you can drop the Clomid.

Nolvadex alone with the HCG can get you a speedy and efficient recovery.
You can also continue the AI into PCT to thwart any estro rebound.

 

[omega529]

I was wondering about that, cuz I kept hearing peaple telling me to start HCG 2 wks after the last shot, but I disagreed. I did one cycle already once before and it was pretty aggressive for a 1st cycle: 500mgs Sust, 200mgs Deca, 30mgs dbol(first 6 wks of cycle).. my PCT sucked ass big time, I did 1500iu HCG one wk after end of cycle, and Nolva for 2 wks. Trurhfully, I was confused by all of the different information I kept getting from various people.. and ended up doing my own thing(just like I'll probably end up doing this time around). I do greatly appreciate the last two postings, since you could tell that the advice came from the heart, no sarcasm.. no nothing.
What do you know, the world is not entirely full of assholes after all!

Glad to help, you probably get a bunch of opinions from people, because certain regimens work for certain people, so those people will tell you what worked for them....that wont neccacaraly work for you, its a matter of knowing your on body and see what will work best for you.....but their is a "model" you sould fallow and adjust as needed.

 

[02gixxersix]

There's no need for nolva unless you get gyno symptoms. And I wouldn't take the HCG until after my last shot, but still before clomid probably. But it seems like you're gonna listen to the guy who told you what you want to hear.

 

[Arabian]

lmfao!!!! seriously............ I'm 21, sometimes it takes my girl a while to get my dick hard, does that mean I have a body age of 52?

LMAO

 

[omega529]

There's no need for nolva unless you get gyno symptoms. And I wouldn't take the HCG until after my last shot, but still before clomid probably. But it seems like you're gonna listen to the guy who told you what you want to hear.

at 500mg a week of test e, i would think he may get some gyno, unless hes not sensitive to gyno....so i think he may want to take nolve or adex....but it looks like he has adex, so he might as well use it.

 

[DrGrier]

wks 1 - 12: Test e 500mgs/Primo 500mgs x wk, and Anavar 40mgs ED (first 6 wks of cycle).

PCT: Two weeks after last injection - HCG 2500iu twice a week the first week of PCT, plus clomid 50mg ed 4 wks
nolva 60mg wk 1, 40mg wk2, 20mg wk3, 20mg wk4.
[/B]

I like the cycle..The anavar dose is reasonable but rely don't think you need it in this cycle. I agree with Mikefear on the HCG split it up. and I would definitely stick with the Nolva then going with ATD.

 

[mauit44]

12 weeker looks good.
Training and diet aside, you know what you need to do there. As for Gear:
test and primo stack looks good with regards to 500mg/wk each.
Var, I think you'll find 80mg better suited for building mass. Ramp it up for first 4 wks at 80-100mg and then back off for couple weeks. Add it again for last 2 weeks with whatever you have left over. Var is outta your system in days.

Seriously consider running proviron throughout cycle along with a light dose AI (AIFM, aromasin). This will keep you hard, horny and bloat free. PCT will be much easier, actually a cinch because you are controlling the sides throughout. Then you can drop the Clomid.

Nolvadex alone with the HCG can get you a speedy and efficient recovery.
You can also continue the AI into PCT to thwart any estro rebound.

80mgs to 100mgs is a shitload of Anavar! Especially for a second cycle!

 

[02gixxersix]

at 500mg a week of test e, i would think he may get some gyno, unless hes not sensitive to gyno....so i think he may want to take nolve or adex....but it looks like he has adex, so he might as well use it.

That's what an aromatase inhibitor is for. The SERM is used to treat it if problem arise. It's always a good idea to have nolva and letro on hand in base shit pops up. you would have to be pretty snesitive to get gyno on 500mg's a week if you were also taking AIFM or another AI.

 

[iHulk]

80mgs to 100mgs is a shitload of Anavar! Especially for a second cycle!

you want it to work right! I ran 30mg ed for my first time and just wasn't pleased; when I bumped it to 60mg ed I really started to see the difference.

Last cycle I ran it short and hard (80 - 100mg ed) for 5 weeks and it was just the best results I've got so far... muscularity/vascularity was insane.

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

Thank you.. Now we're talking

fears advise was right on..,.nolva on cycle can hinder gains..you just do what you want bro...youu obviously arent takeing the advise

 

[mauit44]

fears advise was right on..,.nolva on cycle can hinder gains..you just do what you want bro...youu obviously arent takeing the advise

This is confusing as hell dude! I'm not clear about 2 things:

1) How much Anavar will safelly do the trick for a second cycle ED, and

2) Best PCT for this type of cycle

To recap: wk 1-12 test e 500mg, 500mgs Primo EW
250mg Every 3 daysAIFM/aromasin ED (1-2 squirts, or 20mg), plus Anavar (how many mgs??) ED for 6 first 6wks of cycle.


Now, how does 5000iu of HCG once a wk, to begin 2 wks after last shot, plus clomid 50mg ed 4 wks nolva 60mg (after last shot)wk 1, 40mg wk2, 20mg wk3, 20mg wk4 sound???? I really wanna nail this down before I start my cycle. I cannot afford having a limp dick for 3 months after the end of my cycle... Thanks again in advance guys.

 

[bilter]

This is confusing as hell dude! I'm not clear about 2 things:

1) How much Anavar will safelly do the trick for a second cycle ED, and

2) Best PCT for this type of cycle

To recap: wk 1-12 test e 500mg, 500mgs Primo EW
250mg Every 3 daysAIFM/aromasin ED (1-2 squirts, or 20mg), plus Anavar (how many mgs??) ED for 6 first 6wks of cycle.


Now, how does 5000iu of HCG once a wk, to begin 2 wks after last shot, plus clomid 50mg ed 4 wks nolva 60mg (after last shot)wk 1, 40mg wk2, 20mg wk3, 20mg wk4 sound???? I really wanna nail this down before I start my cycle. I cannot afford having a limp dick for 3 months after the end of my cycle... Thanks again in advance guys.

Depends on what you trick is. I agree with Ihulk on the var dosing. 30mg PD will gove some gains in strength but if you are going to take var and you have it on hand use at least 60 PD. Var is hell on HDL but dose not appear to be dose dependant (you'll get the same drop in HDL from 30 as you will from 80), I do think 20mg PD of nolva is a good thing (I include it in all my cycles). The only gains it will hinder are weight gains which would be attributed to water anyway. HCG-studies show that 300iu EOD is the minimum required to keeps you boys full, I like 500iu EOD, this is somewhat a personal (experimentation / preference), I do not like the idea of 5000iu once per week. So, again (my PCT rec) HCG 500iu EOD last 2 weeks of cycle. 10 days after last shot 1 week 40mg nolva \ 100 clomid, wk 2,3,4.. 20\50
I usually continue the 20mg nolva PD for the 10 days I am not taking anything for quicker lipid recovery.
Now your job: read through all of these recs in the thread (and there are some good ones here) choose what youwnat , try it and see how it works for you. Everyone is different so you can adjust future programs

 

[mauit44]

Ok so then, based on my cycle: When should I start using AIFM and the frequency?
How can I keep myself from experiencing loss of libido, which tipically occurs with Primo cycles?

 

[omega529]

That's what an aromatase inhibitor is for. The SERM is used to treat it if problem arise. It's always a good idea to have nolva and letro on hand in base shit pops up. you would have to be pretty snesitive to get gyno on 500mg's a week if you were also taking AIFM or another AI.

I know what an AI is for, i agree....always good to have it on hand.....yes, if your using an AI and still getting gyno, you are probably sensitive.....

mauit, did you say this was your 2nd cycle?.....what was your first, and what was your PCT if you did one?..I have never done anavar or primo, so im not going to say what the affects are, because i dont personally know, the only thing i know about those 2 is what I read in some books, web pages and threads. No personal use......i have done tests, and my pct on a 12 week prop/winny cycle (witch was my first cycle) I did took adex 1mg ED,and then for my PCT i took 1000IU hcg eod for 1 week then 1500mcg eod then 5000iu on week 3 of pct....i also took 20mg nolvadex perday......that was a bad PCT i lost most of my gains.......my next cycle i did a sust 250@ 1000mg/week and eq @ 600mg/week for 14 weeks.....i also added winny last 4 weeks.....my PCT their was 5000IU HCG for last week of cycle and 2 weeks after cycle @ 5000iu/week...i took 1mg adex ed, for cycle and as well as 3 weeks after cycle was over....i also added 50mg of clomid for 3 weeks after and 20mg/day nolva for 3 weeks after cycle.....this PCT worked awsome, not only did i loose an oz of muscle i actually gained about another 2lbs of lean muscle....

 

[mauit44]

I know what an AI is for, i agree....always good to have it on hand.....yes, if your using an AI and still getting gyno, you are probably sensitive.....

mauit, did you say this was your 2nd cycle?.....what was your first, and what was your PCT if you did one?..I have never done anavar or primo, so im not going to say what the affects are, because i dont personally know, the only thing i know about those 2 is what I read in some books, web pages and threads. No personal use......i have done tests, and my pct on a 12 week prop/winny cycle (witch was my first cycle) I did took adex 1mg ED,and then for my PCT i took 1000IU hcg eod for 1 week then 1500mcg eod then 5000iu on week 3 of pct....i also took 20mg nolvadex perday......that was a bad PCT i lost most of my gains.......my next cycle i did a sust 250@ 1000mg/week and eq @ 600mg/week for 14 weeks.....i also added winny last 4 weeks.....my PCT their was 5000IU HCG for last week of cycle and 2 weeks after cycle @ 5000iu/week...i took 1mg adex ed, for cycle and as well as 3 weeks after cycle was over....i also added 50mg of clomid for 3 weeks after and 20mg/day nolva for 3 weeks after cycle.....this PCT worked awsome, not only did i loose an oz of muscle i actually gained about another 2lbs of lean muscle....

My first Cycle included 30mgs dbol first 6 weeks of cycle, 500mgs Sust, 200mgs Deca x 12 weeks. I gained 30 lbs and lost 20 of it due to poor PCT as well. This time around my PCT will be much better, however I do have a concern about AIFM doing its job now. I just ordered 2 bottles of it, and now I'm seriously thinking of ordering something from AncillaryGuys instead. I am also hoping that Primo won't give me the same erection problems Deca gave me.

 

[tjs114]

5'10 180 with 18% BF?

You dont need a cycle you need to bust you ass at the gym.

You could easily get to 190@10-12% by this time next year with good diet and training.

Then your cycle would show much more visible gains.

ok just so i understand...you're suggesting that in a year someone can gain 25 pounds of lean mass?! Do you realize that you're suggesting that naturally this person can gain 10 pounds while losing 8% bf? That would be truly incredible in a year.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

So what you're saying is that you reached 190lbs at 10-12%bf before ever running your first cycle! If so then I understand your argument but if not,then stop talking shit allright!

I know I'm tired but are these people seriously talking about 190 12% like it's a huge deal?