Creatine

[slamminshaun]

I wouldn't recommend Kre or CEE because of the conversion rate to Creatinine of both of them. I'd go with CrM and stick to 5 grams daily.

In terms of CrM, anything that is Creapure. I'm pretty sure Prolab and Higher Power both satisfy the criteria.

See, the info I always have seen says Kre doesn't convert to creatinine at all...not saying you're wrong, just saying like with anything, there's conflicting info out there.

Bodybuilding.com - Kre-Alkalyn Information and Product Listing! Kre-Alkalyn FAQ!

 

[cal62887]

See, the info I always have seen says Kre doesn't convert to creatinine at all...not saying you're wrong, just saying like with anything, there's conflicting info out there.

Bodybuilding.com - Kre-Alkalyn Information and Product Listing! Kre-Alkalyn FAQ!

I could very well be wrong. I'm not as smart as I may think

Here is the study:

Kre-alkalyn? supplementation has no beneficial effect on creatine-to-creatinine conversion rates.

Tallon MJ1 and Child R2

1University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, 2Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. [email protected]

All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp. (Billings, MT, USA) claim that Kre-alkalyn? (KA) a ?Buffered? creatine, is 100% stable in stomach acid and does not convert to creatinine. In contrast, they also claim that creatine monohydrate (CM) is highly pH labile with more than 90% of the creatine converting to the degradation product creatinine in stomach acids. To date, no independent or university laboratory has evaluated the stability of KA in stomach acids, assessed its possible conversion to creatinine, or made direct comparisons of acid stability with CM.

This study examined whether KA supplementation reduced the rate of creatine conversion to creatinine, relative to commercially available CM (Creapure?). Creatine products were analyzed by an independent commercial laboratory using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP). Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37? 1oC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes and immediately analyzed by HPLC (UV) for creatine and creatinine.

In contrast to the claims of All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp., the rate of creatinine formation from CM was found to be less than 1% of the initial dose, demonstrating that CM is extremely stable under acidic conditions that replicate those of the stomach. This study also showed that KA supplementation actually resulted in 35% greater conversion of creatine to creatinine than CM. In conclusion the conversion of creatine to creatinine is not a limitation in the delivery of creatine from CM and KA is less stable than CM in the acid conditions of the stomach.

Tallon is one of the leading researchers in sports supplements. He helps formulate with isatori (may ring a bell).

The link you sent me is to bodybuilding.com's information page, which is based off of a lot of "marketing" techniques and not actual science. Look at the glutamine page and it will tell you that it speeds muscle recovery, when in actuality all it may do is help with GI issues, look at the CEE page and it will tell you it's 100% better than CrM (I have the studies to prove this is wrong, if you want them),....

Hope that helps. If you want those CEE studies, let me know.

-cal