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CQB and military fighting

Philips

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hi
I'd like to know if any one has heard of some sort of CQB (close quarter battle) training program. I was told about Defendo ( www.defendo.com ) but wouyld like to know if there is any other simmilar program. (maybe better than defendo). Are programs like these simmilar to what is actually taught in the army?
 
There are heaps of scammers, so beware.

Aikido is nothing like CQB.

Krav Maga is there.

CQB is based more on gross motor skills than fine.

Until now, I have never heard of Defendo, but I am in New Zealand and things take time to get here, but we do have legit CQB, based out of Dunedin with depots throughout the country. It is aligned with Lawrence Jordan.
 
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Hi Guys.
to give you my point of view on CQB.
When i was in the Navy we did CQB this consisted of
5 AIKIDO TECHNEQUES.
5 JUDO TECHNEQUES.
5 BOXING PUNCHES.
3 KARATE KICKS.

sorry to burst the bubble of the "CQB TRAINERS" there is no mistry about CQB in the millatary it is simply basics that do the trick .
there is no secret punch or ninja type thing that will take apart 40,000000 people at the pub/club.

the simple fact is to get good at fighting you have to do it if you train with some mates give each other a slap dont hold grudges abouit it but train on the next level of violence (hit each other) see how your body recats when hit do you run/hide or can you focus and do the job.

think of a boxer that never hits a person allways a bag man he can hit that bag
BUT IT DONT MOVE LIKE A BODY
now take a boxer that has been used as a sparing partner for someone to workout on man if he hits you "ya gonna fall" remember he has fight conditioning .

so the upshot if you want "CQB" go do some boxing,judo,aikido,karate for about 5months of each then you should have some basic idea.

Note THE ONLY LEGIT ARMY TRAINING THAT YOU CAN ACCESS IS boxing,judo,aikido,karateCOS THATS WHAT THE DEFENCE FORCES IS MADE FROM and yes to the people that say what about this style and that style im using the above in a genreal term all styles have a punch,kick,throw,lock so it dont matter what it is it matters if it works for you.

Just my 2cents.

Danny
 
we are training in LINEs right now. Most all the groups have implimented this program and it is pushed throughout our community. Ron Donvito is the instructor.
 
benny blanco said:
CQB is a load of bull!


Agreed!!! That defendo sample video is the funniest shit Ive ever seen ! What are they going to do when they go against someone that KNOWS how to fight... or even worse...someone that knows how to fight and they have a knife? It killed me to see the guy in the video swinging the knife in only one direction!? I spotted many times he could have easily stabbed the other guy. I was taught, if ever being in a fight with someone who has a knife and you cant run anywhere cuz the other guy has you cornered....is to take off your shirt and wrap it around one of your arms and wrist. In a knife fight your probably more than likely gonna get cut.. this way you have something to use as kinda like a shield in a way.

CQB is a load of BULL..... BULLSHIT THATS IS !
 
Most "train for cash" establishments are, CQB is not immune from it nor are the rest of the arts out there.

Like anything in life, let the buyer beware, for most of whats taught in life is shit.
 
Inhibitor13 said:
CQB is a load of BULL..... BULLSHIT THATS IS !


CQB? close quarters battle? That is bullshit? Well how then do you take a room that has both good and bad in it? CQB is something that has to take place, it is never safe however one can be prepared. The idea is never to end up in the situation where hand to hand is needed, thus the concept of initial force to dominate the room. The world isn't perfect though and sometime you might find yourself in that situation and you better be prepared.

As far as knife fights, the best solution is don't do it. It just isn't worth the chance but if you have to you need to be prepared to get cut. How bad of cut is what will determine who wins.
 
The Marine Corps Martial Arts Program. Been there done that, and got the t-shirt to prove it. It's been around for 5-6 years, and I seriously doubt that there are many other CQB "styles" that are more effective. The bulk of the open handed techniques come from: Judo, Jiujitsu, Muay Thai, and boxing. There are also lots of weapons techniques, as well as non-lethal techniques, such as to deal with demonstrators, unarmed attackers etc. There isn't another program quite like it in the US military. I'm pretty sure that you can find more info on the net if you look.
 
Philips said:
hi
I'd like to know if any one has heard of some sort of CQB (close quarter battle) training program. I was told about Defendo ( www.defendo.com ) but wouyld like to know if there is any other simmilar program. (maybe better than defendo). Are programs like these simmilar to what is actually taught in the army?


Dude one should ask what do you want it for eg:work(bodyguard) fun(like to slap people) security,protect family.
these are all things that you would need to know so as to go to the rite place.
if you are in the USA then you have the world at your feet as said in this topic "BEWARE OF SCAMMERS" you also have one of the best armed forces at your disposal you just need to know how to unlock the door
every one says "KRAV KRAV KRAV" well it basic so the simplest of people can use it .
US MARINE now thats diversity lots of info hone what you need for your task.
australian armed forces not bad but need work on the h2h .
newzealand armed forces "forget it" they have people like "TANK TOD" Bigest waist of good breathing space ever alowed to walk the earth.
for all round Tough bastards you cant go past the irish SBS any serviceman that has worked with these guys will tell you the same note 5 h2h instructors in the US armed forces are x SBS so maybe thats why the US is pritty good .

so just decide what you want to learn decide what CQB meens to you if you want to know about knife there is in the states HOC(sientific fighting congress) AMOK, OR go to LA i think and train at the lions den.

Kool thats my point of view.

hey a big OOOOYAH to any US FORCES MEN AND WOMAN on this chat thanx for having my back in the GULF.

Dannyh.(ROS,CD,UWI)
 
Dannyh said:
newzealand armed forces "forget it" they have people like "TANK TOD" Bigest waist of good breathing space ever alowed to walk the earth.
Because one doesnt like the teacher, one doesnt have to dismiss the lesson. Unless you have personally trained with him and perhaps found it of no worth. Please explain.
 
Saintinistic said:
Because one doesnt like the teacher, one doesnt have to dismiss the lesson. Unless you have personally trained with him and perhaps found it of no worth. Please explain.


Dude i trained with "tank" and i found it no good at all so did the 25 other guys in our squad also a lot of what he claims to teach as CQB you would find in a "womans day "mag as helth tips
i am sorry for you being NZ i do not hold any NZ dudes to him i served with som top NZ guys but this guy "IS NOT WHAT HE CLAIMS" i sugest you do some research on the guy start with the department of defence mill recoards are not secret.


Just my 2cents.

Dannh
 
I just got out of the military. All the tarining we have done the best IMO was Ron Donvito (google his name). He currently trains the 7th Special forces group, and a few of the seal teams stop by at his place in North Carolina. He is highly knowlegeable and by far the best training for CQB and hand -to hand combat. He will teach you the difference in MMA and CQB, He teaches knife on knife, Jiu jitsu, knife against no knife to much to write here. I took the hand to hand basic instructor course and the advanced hand to hand practioner course. He has you fighting full on. No holding back you really get to see what its like to encounter just about any situatuin you could imagine, and if you want to know what to do in certain situations he will set it up for you. The guy alone could be a motivitional speaker he is like Enson Inoue a great person. His son is the official Machado representative for their area. I trained at 808 Fight Factory but just relocated to Baltimore Maryland where I will resume training with Lloyd Irvin. If you have any questions let me know I am more than willing to help and if anyone here is from Maryland please let me know where you train and if you would wat to set up some training.
 
philips, I don't know if your question was answered to your satisfaction, but here's my response to it. Did you navigate the www.defendo.com site that you posted the link to? If you did then you found this bit of info that they prefer to keep obscure, and that is, that Bill Wolfe's defendo is really not defendo at all, but rather defendu from William Fairbairn, Rex Applegate, and Eric Sykes. The original and authentic Defendo is a government and law enforcement system developed by Bill Underwood in 1945. Prior to 1945, Underwood concentrated chiefly on the unarmed killing techniques of Combato. Combato was developed during world war one, and was already a proven and perfected system for world war two. Combato techniques were exclusive to assassins and spy type operatives. These techniques in no way lend themselves well to civilian applications. Combato trained individuals were not sent in to negotiate, bargain with, or reason with their assigned targets. They were sent in to kill them. The open-hand strikes, neck and spine manipulations, are specifically for killing. There is no in-between with Combato. People on the receiving end of Combato, die. Dave Walmsley (based in London Ontario) has a system called Canadian Combato htpp://www.dolfzine.com/page704.htm ,this system is not Bill Underwood's Combato. When WW2 ended Bill Underwood saw the danger of his system falling into disuse and being abandoned. He would not have any of that, and from Combato comes Bill Underwood's Defendo which is more pain compliance, and jointlocks than just outright killing. Defendo can be used to kill, but it can be applied more to a degree. It gives the user of it some discretion, which is what makes it more appropriate for government and law enforcement. It's also taught to civilians as a self defense method. Even though Underwood was a Canadian, the Canadian Government won't allow the Canadian Forces to learn Combato because they're concerned about legal liability. Underwood's Combato has been sealed and locked up, available to no one. After WW2 most veterans skilled in Combato went to their private lives, grew old, and took it to their graves. There are people that do know this system and NO they won't teach it to you. Why is Bill Wolfe, Fairbairn, Applegate, Sykes, Cestari's Defendu passed off as Defendo when in fact it is not? I don't know. Why did Dave Walmsley call his system of survival-defense, Canadian Combato? Bill Underwood's original Combato is Canadian. The applications of Underwood's Combato are strictly lethal. Self defense is not a consideration. Walmsley's Canadian Combato survival-defense is kind of misleading, isn't it? Mislabled too. You can find out more about the original and authentic Defendo/Combato at www.underwoodsystems.com What do the military think of Defendo? They know that Defendo just isn't Combato and as long as there's a lid on it they look elsewhere to train, in Lotar/Kapap "for example". This is under the umbrella term Krav Maga. Lotar is the anti-terrorist training. Kapap is the military combatives. Interesting that someone qualified to teach Lotar/Kapap is also qualified to teach Krav Maga but not necessarily the other way around. There are Krav Maga instructors that know nothing about Lotar/Kapap. They're not privy to that training and I would say that if you're not special forces, or some government operative, neither are you. Not everyone in the military is special forces either so it's not unusual to see more CF members travelling in their civilian guises to take lessons in russian martial art, Systema. There is actually a gag order on just who the special forces members are and what they actually train in is not discussed. That is why I said Lotar/Kapap "for example", but you get the idea.
 
SAVE YOUR MONEY!!, 4realz. a long time go there was peeps pushing all that elite miltary fighting stuff and was in one of the very first ufc. THe art of safta and at the time he was on every martial magazine. He lost quick and badly.
 
Well, I use it and I must say it made me survive more times than the kempo/muay thai before it. whether thats because I am older know and more aggressive or whther its the training I cant say. As a bouncer it made me more efficient at stopping situations. but I say give a class a go, and the bullshit will become apparent soon enough. I was taught right, by a person directly from the special forces. Many times the teacher is the asset and makes great fighters, not the style/way.

I cant stand TKD, as I think it is bullshit, but I think people should decide for themselves, just like views on CQC, everyone should keep researching the stuff and filter out what works and what doesnt.

Sad that people turn CQC into the same money grabbing thing that makes mega churches and television priests bullshit. but McDojo's are everywhere. not just CQC
 
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BOSSDAWG said:
SAVE YOUR MONEY!!, 4realz. a long time go there was peeps pushing all that elite miltary fighting stuff and was in one of the very first ufc. THe art of safta and at the time he was on every martial magazine. He lost quick and badly.
bossdawg. SAVE YOUR MONEY!! ("Underwood's Combato has been sealed and locked up, available to no one.") Does that sound like it's for sale to you? Never mind, the question is rhetorical. So, you must be talking about Defendo. Actually what you are talking about has very little to do with English so I will translate your post for you. ..."a long time ago there was (peeps) pushing all that military fighting stuff and was in one of the very first ufc. (THe) art of safta..." OK! That's all I need. SAFTA is a repackaged SCARS. Jerry Peterson's SCARS. Special Combative,Aggressive, Reactionary, System. It was taught to Navy Seals, until they clued in and realized that SCARS is just a revved up pep talk mixed with yellow belt level san soo. Lew Hicks who "reinvented" SCARS to SAFTA is a liar. He created nothing. It's still san soo. John Hess trained under Lew Hicks. John Hess fought in UFC#5 on April 7, 1995 at Independence Arena, Charlotte NC against Andy Anderson. According to you (..."He lost quick and badly.") Nice Try! You don't get to rewrite history. You get to read it and weep. Hess won the UFC fight. In Superbrawl 2, Hess lost to Vitor Belfort by knockout punches. Hess' record: 1 win, 1 loss. I'm not the least bit surprised that Hess lost to Belfort. He thought that he was learning a military fighting system from Hicks when in fact it was nothing more than yellow belt level san soo, a traditional martial art. You did not know that. Now,you do. The Seals dropped SAFTA/SCARS like a hot potato when they realized they'd been duped by a fraud like Peterson. You're basing your response on what you think you know about military fighting systems. Well, Defendo is in no way shape or form, even remotely associated with traditional martial arts. To try and down-talk Defendo or any military fighting system using the exposed sham of SCARS/SAFTA is monumentally stupid. Hess won his UFC fight because he was six foot seven inches tall and 300 pounds. Hess lost his Superbrawl match using traditional martial arts. Either of which has absolutely what to do with military combatives? Nothing.
 
ACTUAlly it's the same marketing bs they all use. Locked up and unavaible is just clever marketing and is bs. Simply put he was representing and hyping up all this elite miltary fighting arts that are a dime a dozen adds everywhere. He still lost no matter how u try to make an excuse. u said got dropped by the seals , well still was a miltary fighting program even if it was short lived. It has everything to do cqb marketing bs. Truth be told i was a Nato fighting arts member and have lived on military bases so i know bs when i see it.
 
BOSSDAWG said:
ACTUAlly it's the same marketing bs they all use. Locked up and unavaible is just clever marketing and is bs. Simply put he was representing and hyping up all this elite miltary fighting arts that are a dime a dozen adds everywhere. He still lost no matter how u try to make an excuse. u said got dropped by the seals , well still was a miltary fighting program even if it was short lived. It has everything to do cqb marketing bs. Truth be told i was a Nato fighting arts member and have lived on military bases so i know bs when i see it.
(ACTUA)lly it's the same marketing bs "they" all use.) "They"! Who are "they"? I'd like to know who "they" are. "They" would probably like to know too. ( Locked up and unavailable is just clever marketing and bs) Combato was put away in 1945. Sixty-one years ago. It has never been and never will be available to the public or regular force members. That sure is clever marketing hype isn't it? That sure is high pressure sales, isn't it? TELEGRAM!! It's not for sale. How's that for marketing? ...("he was representing and hyping up all this elite military fighting arts that are a dime a dozen"... Wrong! I don't care if you're talking about Hess or Hicks (and you brought them into this) Hess/Hicks represented only what they were connected to, SAFTA. Nothing else. ( "He still lost no matter how ( u ) try to make an excuse".) YOU are the one who tried to use him in the first place to support your monosyllabic post and you couldn't even get your facts straight. You said " He lost quick and badly ". No! He didn't. He won the UFC fight that you mentioned. You tried to "cleverly" smudge history to make yourself look "smart". Clever? Smart? You? Uh,sure.
 
Listen here ,u missed alot of what has been said and u happened to miss the point. IT is funny to me how u get real pissed and so u dont care. your the one who still said he lost un superbrawl. Read the word lost !!! so listen up proffesor dumbass if u want to start something with me u got it.
 
If a capable CQB fighter lost in an event with rules limiting his CQB techniques, wouldnt that show why he lost? I wouldnt want to fight a MMA or boxer etc on his terms, fuck that, I would get beaten cause I personally am not trained that way. but without those rules (that protect our safety) its a different story.

Just a thought on why an expert can be beaten, if one fights in something that is not your forte. I personally dont know the fight you speak of.

My mate has beaten (among many victims) several high profile fighters of both BJJ and Muay Thai factions, not through fighting fire with fire, but by dropping nukes through his own style of "quick kills". works fine, but even he admits he cant fight in a ring to save himself.... "its those damn stupid unrealistc rules that say I cant do what I do"..

food for thought.
 
(..."(U) missed a lot of what has been said and (U) happened to miss the point".) Wrong as usual. I got the point that you TRIED to make. Your intention here was to deliberately slight military combatives using (he) as a reference. I had to provide the name here, (he) because you didn't know it. You cited (his) performance in a (ufc) fight as THE example that substantiates and validates your "point" saying that "he lost quick and badly".(He) only fought ONE UFC fight and (he) won it. I mentioned that (he) lost in Superbrawl, his only other fight. That makes no difference at all as that fight did not involve military combatives either as you would suggest otherwise. Your argument is hollow. Recorded history makes your attempt in this case to discredit military combatives a dismal failure. Your reference to SAFTA is your futile effort to present military combatives in the same light. SAFTA was exposed as a traditional martial art packaged as something else. I distinguish between Superbrawl and UFC. So do the record books. The records show in perfectly clear English that you've got nothing except your unsubstantiated remarks. ("Read the word lost"!!!) Yes, let's read it from your first post on this thread. (..."and was in one of the very first (ufc)...(He) "lost" quick and badly".) So, according to you ( (He) "lost" quick and badly in one of the very first (ufc). This information was and still is incorrect. Now, here's the "point" that I made. Either way it makes no difference. Military combatives are no part of this equation and that includes Superbrawl, that's why I brought it up. As soon as you mentioned SAFTA you sabatoged your own argument. You came on this thread to present yourself as some kind of an authority. Using posts that barely mimic human speech you've presented yourself here as a common goof. What really irritates you is that everyone reading this can easily see that. Everyone of course being anyone with comprehensive reading skills higher than grade four public school. They can also see that you spelled ("proffesor") wrong, but you performed a perfect "dumbass" before you even wrote it down.
 
Take some prozac dude .
Any system of fighting no matter what name you give it is all the same if you can look at it on a logic scale.
Danny.

"no no i just take out the trash"
 
("Any system of fighting no matter what name you give it is all the same if you can look at it on a logic scale.") Logic, huh? I can assure you that there's nothing wrong with my deductive reasoning. You seem to be a little inconsistant though. Kind of like manic/depressive. You also seem to have a great deal to say. You shot yourself down with this:"U.S. MARINE now that's diversity. Lot's of info. Hone what you need for your task." Australian Armed Forces, not bad, but need work on the H2H". "New Zealand Armed forces "forget it". "They have people like "Tank Tod". "Biggest waste of good breathing space ever allowed to walk the earth". "Dude I trained with "Tank" and I found it no good at all. So did the 25 other guys in our squad. Also a lot of what he claims to teach as CQB you would find in a "Woman's Day" mag as health tips." ("Dude I trained with "Tank" and I found it no good at all.") You found it no good at all AND any system of fighting no matter what name you give it is (all the same...) Hey! You wrote it, not me. You also wrote (...U.S. is (pritty) pretty good.) You, yourself have made it very clear that some of what is being presented as combat technology by certain entities is highly desirable, whilst other supposed technology is highly suspect, perhaps even fraudulent. I tend to agree. By your own admission you claim to have trained in a not even marginally adequate CQB system with 25 other guys. Apparently you speak for the 25 other guys that aren't too impressed with it either, BUT "any system of fighting no matter what name you give it is (all the same) if you look at it on a "logic" scale?? Your "logic" escapes me. Seriously, it's probably the most irrational thing that you could say subsequent to your previous posts here. Honestly, I have better things to do than sift through the chaff here. If you had wanted to discuss anything with me, you should have thought about that before you decided that you were qualified to prescribe medication. I'm straight forward. Smart, I like. Smart-Ass, I don't like. You might want to save the PROZAC for yourself, and I would suggest a follow up of 60ml. of MAGNOLAX with 45ml. SODIUM PHOSPHATES ORAL SOLUTION as you're obviously long overdue for a good cleansing. For extra measure be sure to include a bran muffin. I'm done with this topic.
 
Ive allways under the assumption that in a situation without rules, that people in the military would be taught the best, simplest deadliest shit available. Testing these skills in a ring doesnt seem logical.
 
Inspector said:
Ive allways under the assumption that in a situation without rules, that people in the military would be taught the best, simplest deadliest shit available. Testing these skills in a ring doesnt seem logical.
Your assumption is correct and I agree with you completely. I have never said or written anything to the contrary, here or anywhere else. It's almost refreshing to hear it from someone else besides myself. It's nice to know that somebody actually does get it. I wouldn't have even been here to read your post if I could've gotten the printer to spool earlier today. Well, the printer is fixed, I'm done printing, and I'm done with this topic. Take care. Have a nice day.
 
Nice meds dude you forgot 2 things in the recipe lets see if you can get it .

now stupid!! logic as you are not up to speed yet.

a punch is a punch a kick is a kick.
call it what you will but "when you look at it on a logic scale " guess what
"A PUNCH IS A PUNCH A KICK IS A KICK" it does not matter (safta,karate,judo,boxing,defendo,krav)

it dont get much simpler than that .

sorry to make it sooooo simple
now as for the 25 other guys just contact 6RAR australia DOD .
ask about "mr Tank tod" as i will be the one you speak with i will then pass the phone to all the people that were there (by the way where were you when did you serve and in what caps).

Danny
 
Dannyh said:
Nice meds dude you forgot 2 things in the recipe lets see if you can get it .

now stupid!! logic as you are not up to speed yet.

a punch is a punch a kick is a kick.
call it what you will but "when you look at it on a logic scale " guess what
"A PUNCH IS A PUNCH A KICK IS A KICK" it does not matter (safta,karate,judo,boxing,defendo,krav)

it dont get much simpler than that .

sorry to make it sooooo simple
now as for the 25 other guys just contact 6RAR australia DOD .
ask about "mr Tank tod" as i will be the one you speak with i will then pass the phone to all the people that were there (by the way where were you when did you serve and in what caps).

Danny
A punch is a punch, a kick is a kick. Yes, of course. This is common knowledge here. Has been for a long time.

Any system of fighting no matter what name you call it is all the same if you can look at it on a logic scale. This statement is pure levity. Not logical at all.

Any punch from a stylized system is labled. It is no longer just a punch. It is a specific punch.
Any kick from a stylized system is labled. It is no longer just a kick. It is a specific kick.

Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of English can see that these two statements presented here by you DO NOT complement each other as was your intention.
They DO in fact, clearly contradict each other.

The only thing you have done here is call yourself stupid.

IT'S SOOOOO SIMPLE!

Now, for the simple (yes this means you) FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME, I AM OFF THIS THREAD!

P.S. The two things missing from the recipe were the butter and the jam for your bran muffin.
 
I am currently taking CQB from Datu Kelly Worden the 1st ARMY Special Forces instructor for the past 7 years.

I can tell you that it's a lot more than a few moves and it's very effective against traditional martial arts if you don't mind hurting them badly.

You can call any Martial Art BS if you stop at the white belt or watch a video. While there are others Datu Kelly Worden is the only instructor that I am aware that has actually trained Special Forces in CQB. This is low on his list of achievements.

When it's all said and done it does not matter what learn if you don't take the time to train full contact.
 
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I was taught, if ever being in a fight with someone who has a knife and you cant run anywhere cuz the other guy has you cornered....is to take off your shirt and wrap it around one of your arms and wrist. In a knife fight your probably more than likely gonna get cut.. this way you have something to use as kinda like a shield in a way.

CQB is a load of BULL..... BULLSHIT THATS IS !

Wow using a shirt as a shield against a knife!!! That's some brilliant stuff right there. Let's compare that logic to pulling out a gun and shooting the person.

Gun
The safe distance of somebody with a knife is generally 30 ft. The reason for this is you will in most cases be dead before drawing your gun. That's with a highly trained swat officer behind the trigger.

Shirt
Since taking off your shirt and rapping it around your hands takes longer than pulling a gun your dead too. Not to mention if you really were that good my knife would cut through your shirt in the first strike.
 
Inspector said:
Ive allways under the assumption that in a situation without rules, that people in the military would be taught the best, simplest deadliest shit available. Testing these skills in a ring doesnt seem logical.

This is an incredibly stupid Assumption .

Firstly "The Miliatairy" isnt one entity . The same level of instruction isnt even available throughout one BRANCH on different bases , much less Branch to Branch , specialty to specialty , location to location .

Secondly , most Military based training is VERY limited . In fact you are just being shown stuff . REAL MA TRAINING TAKES YEARS . You have to get the moves down into your bones an make them come like taking a breath . This cannot happen in ANY 8-16 week program , unless you DL it to your brain ala The Matrix .

Thirdly , its going to come from the nearest available source . In most cases thats crappy TKD-Maga , or some YMCA Judo/Kyokushin , or perhaps a Boxing coach . This is whats Prevelant in the mainstream out there , and established , its what the Brass believe in , because its what theyre trained to think of as "MA" .
 
Dannyh said:
Nice meds dude you forgot 2 things in the recipe lets see if you can get it .

now stupid!! logic as you are not up to speed yet.

a punch is a punch a kick is a kick.
call it what you will but "when you look at it on a logic scale " guess what
"A PUNCH IS A PUNCH A KICK IS A KICK" it does not matter (safta,karate,judo,boxing,defendo,krav)

it dont get much simpler than that .


WRONG WRONG WRONG !!!

Can you tell me what the difference is between a Wing Chun (sun) punch , a boxing overhand and a lousy Jab ?

Can you tell me WHY Muay THai practitioners throw Round Kicks with their shins while every other asian system throws them with the top of their foot ?
Can you tell me which is superior and why ?
 
So...you know what the military Brass "believe", and you know what the military Brass "think"! This
is all VERY...umm...interesting...considering you do not even qualify for entry level service into any
"BRANCH" of the military, ARMY, NAVY, or AIR FORCE as you cannot and never will meet the
MINIMUM fitness requirements. Your video demonstrates nicely that you would gas-out just reaching
for another KRISPY KREME, which is why it is best that short winded wannabees like you should
just stay at home and leave the combat to those who actually do know how it is done. You have no
skills, and you "know" nothing.
 
Actually YOU know SQUAT about my fitnes level , and what I can or cannot do. you think one obviously edited video teaches you something about me ? Any time you find yourself on the East Coast you and I can see who can outdo whom in the gym . If you dont BP over 500 raw dont even bother to show up . We do light weight like that for reps around these parts . Oh ... Im also certified in Yoga and Crossfit .
 
Actually YOU know SQUAT about my fitnes level , and what I can or cannot do. you think one obviously edited video teaches you something about me ? Any time you find yourself on the East Coast you and I can see who can outdo whom in the gym . If you dont BP over 500 raw dont even bother to show up . We do light weight like that for reps around these parts . Oh ... Im also certified in Yoga and Crossfit .

So...YOU bench 500 (five-hundred) pounds, raw, "for reps" huh!? That's amazing! I'm sure everyone
here on the forum think's that's amazing too. Since you've already shown that you're not camera shy
you won't mind putting a video of yourself on You Tube performing this effortless feat along with your
equally amazing buddies as you did say "we". It should appear before the end of the day, complete
with provided links, since you do "light weight" like that for reps around those parts. Of course you
will use the excuse this is not a "chest day" or an "upper body day"... right? Well, whenever it is punk.
Whenever it is. ROFLMAO.
 
You show up , bring any camera you like . I dont own one and wasnt planning to purchase one any time soon . Vanity and recording myself just isnt on my agenda , sorry .

OR , you can sit and name call over the internet , hiding behind your keypad .
 
LMFAO. Some poor little child banned me?? good luck on that I cant be banned , and I stand by my post (the 1 that was deleted by a coward) the fact it was deleted and I was banned must have rubbed salt in someones wounds. I read the rules of this forum maybe the laughable admin who deleted my acct. should. So im guessing when this person is in a fight he curls into the fetal position and crys to mommy. This is a fight forum?? hell no its a buncha kids with admin rights lmfao
 
You show up , bring any camera you like . I dont own one and wasnt planning to purchase one any time soon . Vanity and recording myself just isnt on my agenda , sorry .

OR , you can sit and name call over the internet , hiding behind your keypad .

So...YOU don't own a camera and You don't plan on purchasing one any time soon? Well, that
explains it all then, as there are photos of you on the internet, but you know about that, because...
YOU put them there. None of those photos are candid. Those photos are...posed. That means YOU
knew each of those photos were being taken, as YOU postured yourself and mugged for every one
of them. Those photos were taken with the camera YOU don't own and the camera YOU don't plan
on purchasing and the camera that "nobody" has...right? It is obvious that "vanity and recording
yourself" actually "is" your "agenda".
 
VIDEO camera . wow . Are you really that slow ?

So...it took you all week to come up with that?! Well, you're really pullin' straws now, aren't ya.
Every "VIDEO camera" that I've ever seen or used has "freeze frame". Freeze frame is a...PHOTO.
Actually, my idea of slow is YOU...taking five days to think that talking out of the side of your face is
smart. Now...time for you to take the hint, chump! It is no mystery to anyone in here that you've
already been properly exposed as a poseur, as a fraud and as a pathological liar over on BULLSHIDO.
You were laughed off that board the same way you'd get laughed off Muscle Beach. For such an
amazing Kung FU expert it is nothing less than hilarious that you're not welcome on the KUNG FU
MAGAZINE forum either. My first post stands correct, as you're not even qualified to clean a military
latrine. I know women in the military that would put you out like a birthday candle and they don't care
how artsy fartsy you think you are. Wouldn't make "any" difference. You want to turn this into a twenty
page mouthfest you'll have to do it alone. I will spend no more time on a waste of oxygen like you.
 
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