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Could Peyton Manning become the best QB to ever play the game?

It just shows you how much voters hate Tennessee. Peyton didn't even win the Heismen, instead Woodson the Michigan Defensive back received it.

We all know Peyton was spectacular, but UT never gets any respect. Woodson is a nobody nowadays.
 
You can't be the best until you have won the BIG game.

He has yet to do this.

I'll take Brady over Manning "any" day.
 
Right now hes on pace to become the next Dan Marino, not Joe Montana. Which QB would you rather have leading your team come playoff time?
 
speaking of QB's, i just learned Elway was divorced! man how did i miss that, shit happened 3 years ago. Prolly explain why he is hanging out w/ Bon Jovi all the time.
 
Peyton is right up there with marino and montana
and i agree with gayaap, tennessee gets no respect
arent we like 6-1 this year?
 
lo @ the Superbowl being the determining factor in whether a QB is the best or not. The superbowl means THAT much? hmmm who won the superbowl LAST year? less than one year ago? Who? yeah them. and they suck this year.


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Smurfy said:
lo @ the Superbowl being the determining factor in whether a QB is the best or not. The superbowl means THAT much? hmmm who won the superbowl LAST year? less than one year ago? Who? yeah them. and they suck this year.


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A female doing a lol at the expertise of the EF sports honchos.

Oh my.

Has Lummy sat down at the console?
 
test boy ii said:
A female doing a lol at the expertise of the EF sports honchos.

Oh my.

Has Lummy sat down at the console?
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omg how dare you. i already gave lummy the same spiel a few weeks ago. he smiled and said ORLY?? and then we had relations
 
Smurfy said:
omg how dare you. i already gave lummy the same spiel a few weeks ago. he smiled and said ORLY?? and then we had relations
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Think I'll argue with the bors who don't develop thier response into a "we had relations." :)
 
Peyton will get dominated in Foxboro this weekend.

Brady has SB wins, Peyton probably never will. Individual records are worthless in a TEAM SPORT. If you can't pull of the big win, you cannot ever be called the best. End of story.

Brady = Modern day Joe Montana
Manning = Modern day Dan Marino
 
colts will beat the pats ass this weekend mark my words!.. As far a quarter backs go bewteen peyton and brady .. brady always have much more to work with.. Brady is a good quarter back but will never be what peryton is plain and simple... And the comment about how you have to win the super bowl to be considered great give me a break that dont mean shit... What if ben wins another one will he be considered great fuck no he sucks.. And go back and look at bradys numbers they were not off the chain in the super bowls and the kicker won 2 of them and there defense brady landed in a perfect situition.. Put peyton there and they would of won more then brady did!! Montona won super bowls threw to win and had a great career...Brady is a good quarterback dont get me wrong but nothing compared to peyton ...
 
Elway was the most complete package to win games you did not deserve to win. he took better than average teams to the Super Bowl.
 
The Facts

Ref: The cold hard facts http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=527

Sure, “The Complete & Unabridged Guide to Why Tom Brady is Better Than Peyton Manning” is a little cumbersome. Hey, it’s complete & unabridged. It’s not like we lied to you. If you want something short and sweet, try the Cold, Hard Football Facts Guide to Vegetables.

With that said, many people don’t want to pore through the entire tome. So, we present for you the CliffsNotes version.

Simply break out this cheat sheet anytime you want a quick smackdown of someone who says that Manning is better than Brady.

Manning chokes in the playoffs
Manning has made five playoff appearances in his career. Four times in those five years, he has played his very worst game of the season in the playoffs.

If it happened once, it’s a bad game. When it happens twice, it’s a coincidence. When it happens three times, it’s a trend. When it happens four times, it’s simply who you are.

And this is who Manning is: a guy who plays his worst games in the playoffs. Put most simply, it’s unreasonable to call a player the best quarterback in football when he reserves his worst games for the biggest moments. The single-worst statistical game of Manning’s career (a 31.2 passer rating) came in a 41-0 loss to a 9-7 Jets team in the 2002 postseason. The third-worst game of his career (35.5 rating) came in a 24-14 loss to 14-2 New England in the 2003 postseason.

Brady, meanwhile, elevates his game when it matters most. One year after another, he’s turned in his most impressive performances against the toughest teams when the stakes are highest. These performances include a 312-yard passing game in a blizzard in his playoff debut, two last-second Super Bowl-winning scoring drives, two Super Bowl MVP awards, several Super Bowl passing records and a 2004 AFC championship game in which he shredded the league’s top defense on the road, posting a season-high 130.5 passer rating in the process.

Brady has done more for New England than Manning has for Indy

Sure, the Colts were a second-rate organization before the arrival of Manning. He’s a great quarterback who has certainly done a lot to improve his franchise’s fortunes. He just hasn’t done as much as Brady.

The Colts had their best record, 13-3, in 1999, Manning’s second year in the league. They’ve plateaued since, failing to win more than 12 games in a season while appearing in just one AFC title game.

The Patriots were also a second-rate organization, one that had never won an NFL championship and boasted just eight playoff victories in its first 41 years of existence. Since Brady took the helm, New England has posted back-to-back 14-win seasons, added nine playoff victories and won three NFL titles.

Bill Belichick, meanwhile, had a career record of 42-58 before handing the reins to Brady. His record since is 61-17.

Brady always outplays Manning
When their two teams square off, Brady is 6-0 and he routinely outplays his fantasy football prodigy of a counterpart. Here are their respective stats in their six meetings:

* Brady: 121 for 180 (67.2%), 1,322 yards, 10 TDs, 4 INTs, 98.0 passer rating
* Manning: 137 for 234 (58.5%), 1,542 yards, 9 TDs, 10 INTs, 73.3 passer rating

Sure, New England has had a better defense. But if you're argument is that Manning is the best quarterback in football, doesn't it stand to reason that he should be capable of lighting up a good defense?

Manning should have great numbers
The Colts have given Manning every imaginable resource needed to post eye-popping numbers. He’s handed the ball off to two Hall of Fame running backs, Marshall Faulk and Edgerrin James, and throws the ball to a collection of fleet-footed No. 1 draft pick receivers. Until this year, Indy management has routinely spurned its defense to spend money on offensive talent. Manning is supposed to have great numbers.

Brady has posted remarkably similar numbers throwing to a collection of low-round draft picks and NFL journeymen, on a team that has devoted much fewer resources to stacking its team with offensive talent.

The numbers are not that different
Most fans believe Manning posts spectacular numbers year after year while Brady merely muddles along with pedestrian statistics.

The truth is that Brady actually has better numbers at this point in his career (five-plus years in the league) than Manning had at the same point in his career. And even when we take into consideration Manning’s record-setting 2004 campaign, the two are very close on the all-time passer rating list. Manning is No. 4 (92.3 on the list. Brady is No. 7 (87.5).

The bottom line
No quarterback in football today – and arguably no quarterback in history – has pieced together a better combination of historically strong passing statistics and team success than Brady.

Manning puts up great numbers in the regular season. Brady puts up great numbers all the time, especially when the games count most, and has done it with less talent around him. He's also done more to alter his team’s fortunes and has been the undisputed leader on one of just three teams in NFL history to win three championships in a four-year span.

Brady, then, is the better quarterback.
 
test boy ii said:
Elway was the most complete package to win games you did not deserve to win. he took better than average teams to the Super Bowl.
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Thanks, but I'm not interested in Elway's package :rainbow:
 
galaxy said:
If Brady gets another ring there gonna be a pretty good argument hes the best ever.
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For all the hype about the colts, the pats are 6-1 right now, which is only one game from undefeated. And their defense is better.
 
superdave said:
For all the hype about the colts, the pats are 6-1 right now, which is only one game from undefeated. And their defense is better.
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Guess we'll find out Sun night :)
 
I was gonna righ a diatribe but Mightymouse put it all perfectly, and Manning got no respect at Tenn because he didn't win jack at Tenn and gagged in all the big ones just like he has done with Colts.

Yeah, Brady any day over Stat boy Manning. All I know is Brady has one has 3 rings and went right thru Manning on his way to two of them.
 
Nah, he's lame. He goes to KC in 04, gets shown up by trent green with recievers maybe 1/2 as good as manning's, then chokes his ass off in the 4th quarter. He doesnt even wait for the playoffs.
 
I wouldnt judge the quarterback based on rings. John Elway didn't become the "great quarterback" until he won Superbowls in peoples mind. He lost 4 superbowls earlier in his career but it wasn't until Denver got Terrell Davis that he won the BIG game.

The quarterback is only 1 man. An offense (and defense) requires 11 on the field.
 
gjohnson5 said:
I wouldnt judge the quarterback based on rings. John Elway didn't become the "great quarterback" until he won Superbowls in peoples mind. He lost 4 superbowls earlier in his career but it wasn't until Denver got Terrell Davis that he won the BIG game.

The quarterback is only 1 man. An offense (and defense) requires 11 on the field.
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Elway went to the Super Bowl six times. Six times. Thats a lot of winning big games.
 
test boy ii said:
You one of them conspiracy folks who believes all that mad sand pirate stuff.


Join the science side.
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wtf is mad sand pirate stuff

i was goofing on you bor, since you always get accused of conspiracy theories and stuff.
 
gjohnson5 said:
I wouldnt judge the quarterback based on rings. John Elway didn't become the "great quarterback" until he won Superbowls in peoples mind. He lost 4 superbowls earlier in his career but it wasn't until Denver got Terrell Davis that he won the BIG game.

The quarterback is only 1 man. An offense (and defense) requires 11 on the field.
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Cmon dude, Elway had some wicked magic in mile high. My parents used to go to most of hte Chiefs away games (derrick thomas's agent was a friend of theirs) and I went to a game in mile high... shit that guy could be down by 20 with 45 seconds left. You would go get a hot chocolate and come back and he'd be up by 20
 
juiceddreadlocks said:
Cmon dude, Elway had some wicked magic in mile high. My parents used to go to most of hte Chiefs away games (derrick thomas's agent was a friend of theirs) and I went to a game in mile high... shit that guy could be down by 20 with 45 seconds left. You would go get a hot chocolate and come back and he'd be up by 20
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I'm on a sig roll.

Ef rocks for the physically sick. Not much work. Not much stress.
 
I always liked Elway. I wasn't knocking him , I was knocking the folks who say the QB isn't good until he wins the big one.

WHo do you think is a better quarterback
Elway or Tom Brady

Tom Brady is a good quarterback , but he's no John Elway

juiceddreadlocks said:
Cmon dude, Elway had some wicked magic in mile high. My parents used to go to most of hte Chiefs away games (derrick thomas's agent was a friend of theirs) and I went to a game in mile high... shit that guy could be down by 20 with 45 seconds left. You would go get a hot chocolate and come back and he'd be up by 20
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gjohnson5 said:
Reread the beginning of the thread.
Tell that to the posters who say you're not a good quarterback until you win the "BIG" one IE the Superbowl
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There have been so many really great QBs that we need a lightning rod to help thin the ranks.

I think winning two Super Bowls has its merits. That is what it is about.


I just think there is plenty of glory in Silver medals and getting to the championship as well. Such a fine line between first and second so many times.
 
I'd like to see a poll amongst NFL head coaches...past and present:

If you could draft any QB that ever existed...at 22 years of age....who would it be?

I don't think so many would pick Marino or Brady....though they are both great.

Unitas
Tarkenton
Bradshaw would get a few yea's
Elway
Montana
Young


I see these as the leaders. Sure I'm missing an obvious one or two.
 
It would be "classic" to see the Colts beat the Pats this Sunday night, only to have the pats beat them in the Playoffs..............

THAT would be "classic"
 
Randall Cunningham

test boy ii said:
I'd like to see a poll amongst NFL head coaches...past and present:

If you could draft any QB that ever existed...at 22 years of age....who would it be?

I don't think so many would pick Marino or Brady....though they are both great.

Unitas
Tarkenton
Bradshaw would get a few yea's
Elway
Montana
Young


I see these as the leaders. Sure I'm missing an obvious one or two.
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gjohnson5 said:
Randall Cunningham
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Can't be considered for anywhere near The Best, however;


As naturally talented as ANY QB to put on the uniform.........yes, better than Vick............he just suffered from poor team drafting, poor teams, and injuries.

He was in a league all by himself.
 
gjohnson5 said:
I don't judge quarterbacks by rings , so he is much higher on my scale
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Are you judging them by something other than Wins, Stats, Performance?

I hope you're not judging on "potential", cause then I'll take Rick Mirer...........
 
LOL!!!!
I don't know where to begin with that....

1. Combines speak alot about ones ability
2. The QB needs to be in a system that works for him
3. Who are the skill players around him
4. Who's blocking!!!

The quarterback is only 1 man.

a creed said:
Are you judging them by something other than Wins, Stats, Performance?

I hope you're not judging on "potential", cause then I'll take Rick Mirer...........
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gjohnson5 said:
LOL!!!!
I don't know where to begin with that....

1. Combines speak alot about ones ability
2. The QB needs to be in a system that works for him
3. Who are the skill players around him
4. Who's blocking!!!

Thje quarterback is only 1 man.
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You know we're cool bro, but if you are trying to rationalize R.C. into even the top 20 QB's of all-time, you are going to have to let yourself drift into a whole other world filled with illusion and Doug Williams................
 
BTW , you putting some racial overtones in this???

I like RC for his skills not his color. RC never won a SuperBowl but Doug Williams did. RC is a much better quarterback. I think RC is under rated , similar to Dominique Wilkins

a creed said:
You know we're cool bro, but if you are trying to rationalize R.C. into even the top 20 QB's of all-time, you are going to have to let yourself drift into a whole other world filled with illusion and Doug Williams................
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gjohnson5 said:
I always liked Elway. I wasn't knocking him , I was knocking the folks who say the QB isn't good until he wins the big one.

WHo do you think is a better quarterback
Elway or Tom Brady

Tom Brady is a good quarterback , but he's no John Elway
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I'd take Elway over brady. He made magic for a lot of shitty teams
 
gjohnson5 said:
BTW , you putting some racial overtones in this???

I like RC for his skills not his color. RC never won a SuperBowl but Doug Williams did. RC is a much better quarterback. I think RC is under rated , similar to Dominique Wilkins
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Pleae don't bring race into something as trivial as Sports.

The Human Highlight Film was slightly underrated, but he simply played NO defense.

I was a huge fan and follwed his career very closely.
 
Troy Aikman

3 rings.

For Manning to be in the top 5 he is going to have to win a Super Bowl or 3 to get that kind of nod.

You have

Montana, Brady, Aikman, Bradshaw, Elway with multiple rings, long careers with great success.

Next group would be Favre, Stahlback and Unitas.


If he doesn't get at least one ring then he is going to end up with Dan Foust and Dan Marino in the Also ran with great stats category.
 
WODIN said:
Next group would be Favre, Stahlback and Unitas.
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I can assure you, even in the prime of his career, Brett Favre has never been worthy of carrying Peyton Manning athletic's supporter.
 
PICK3 said:
I can assure you, even in the prime of his career, Brett Favre has never been worthy of carrying Peyton Manning athletic's supporter.
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I can assure you that unless he wins a few rings any opinion about his skills won't matter.
 
Right now, in the history books Peyton Manning is a blip on the radar. Zero SB wins.

Elway, Aikman, Brady, Montana

Those are the four best in no particular order.
 
Numbers wise, If Peyton stays healthy he will the best. Stats are interesting but won't mean a thing if never wins SB.
Should be a great game this weekend. I like Pats!
 
CMarc said:
Numbers wise, If Peyton stays healthy he will the best. Stats are interesting but won't mean a thing if never wins SB.
Should be a great game this weekend. I like Pats!
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I like you.
 
With a banged up D indy has their work cut out for them this weekend. They are missing half their defensive starters. I think it will be a shootout.
 
god it took 74 posts for WODIN to bring up the quarterback with 3 super bowl rings Mr. Troy Aikman ?!?!




"With 90 wins in the 1990s, Aikman became the winningest starting quarterback of any decade in NFL history."
 
I'd put Brady in for the Super Bowl along with elway or montana and I'd invite Peyton to wow us in the Pro Bowl.
 
bran987 said:
god it took 74 posts for WODIN to bring up the quarterback with 3 super bowl rings Mr. Troy Aikman ?!?!




"With 90 wins in the 1990s, Aikman became the winningest starting quarterback of any decade in NFL history."
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I could have quarterbacked that team to winning seasons.



OK.....maybe not. But point stands.
 
Pikaberdot said:
hahaha... you're funny.
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Really??



What makes you think the Pat's D can hold the COlts to under 35 when Denver's D looked like a high school team.
 
gjohnson5 said:
I'm glad Kurt Warner is listed on this page many times. Blocking has alot to do with these numbers but is getting 0% of the talk on this thread
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+1
 
like blocking, the same could be said of receivers.

Look at Vick....he still has a LOT to learn, but Atlanta adding wideouts has made him look a WHOLLLEEEE lot better
 
Come on Peyton baby!

L.S.U. won, The N.O. Saints won, Eli won, if the Colts win, I'll bust a nut.
 
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