Conspiracy Theory

[CO B-man]

So yesterday at the gym doing some cardio feeling like I am on top of the world with testosterone therapy I came up with my little conspiracy theory as to why AAS is as illegal as it is.

Might it be the drug companies pushing congress to make laws abolishing them by focusing and amplifying the negatives simply for financial gain? I believe this to be a theory that is not far from reality because of the following reasons

Some symptoms of aging are the following
increased body fat due.
Depression
Lack of energy and libido and erection quality.
Insomnia
loss of mental aquity


All these symptoms the drug companies have many individual drugs to combat
i.e. cialis (still love it ) viagara, anti-depressants, Lunesta ambien for sleeping etc. etc. etc.

Testosterone has solve all these problems for me and especially insomnia. I have tried literally every single kind of sleeping pill imaginable and did not expect that great of a change with testosterone but did and do in fact get great nights sleep these days without any sleeping pills anymore. Like I said all the symptoms (and then some) I had in fact suffered and all of them are gone right now with nothing more than testosterone. What do you thin? A feasible theory. I am sure their can be plenty items added to the above but in general this is to me a very real reason for a bad wrap.

 

[JohnnyWest]

Makes sense to a degree, just like you don't see the fda pushing fruits and vegetables as a base for all diets, instead they push that BS food pyramid

If all people were healthy there would be no need for drugs

 

[DJ_UFO]

we will never know the truth. What we know, is that FDA is a corrupt agency designed to make the medicine and the medical system produce as much money as possible; health and security of citizens it's in second priority. In fact, Steroids are controlled substances, but prohormones, that we know have worst side effects, are OTC. All the vitamins, herbs and every natural supplement we know will always have the label saying "This product has not been evaluated by FDA yet" Of course!! and they will never evaluate because they know they work!!! and if they work, thousands of people will stop visiting a doctor or buying prescription medicines. Democracy is absolete; it is a corrupt, twisted and disfunctional business, in which candidates make big marketing campaigns, and once elected they do what they want, advised by a group called intelligenece agencies who don't represent the interests of the majority of Americans. In the old days, citizens used to elect that one who is knows to represent our common ideas and of course, lead the nation on the way we want. In other words, an administration is "hired" by the American people; and just like in any big company, if you don't do the job you are supposed to do, you should be fired. In the case of the dirty democratic system, you can't fire who you hired by mistake.....

 

[instant.muscle]

i wouldn't doubt it at all, government is all about money

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

It's a government headless conspiracy, not some drug company evil masterplan. No drug company is going to make maximum profit when the government legislates it's ability to distribute products.

 

[BigCracker]

Kinda similar to the supplement industry. Anything that actually works gets bastardized immediately because it will prevent people from trying the supplements that don't produce shit-hurting the overall industry.

 

[D-Shots]

Perhaps if the government found a way to use tobacco as a delivery method for steroids then it may be legalized.

 

[chazk]

Imagine what the drug companies would due if people took care of themselves ate right and worked out.they could not sell as much duretics,athritis pain killers,cholesterol meds,blood thinner and thickners,anti inflamation drugs,pychotheraputic drugs, uppers downers,insulin,wieghtloss products.
Imagine a world with no endless buffets,diabetic children,180lbs 5'2 9 yr olds,
Imagine a world were very few people needed those drugs a world where only 10% of the usa is obese not 63%.

Not a very good world for the drug companies if they sold 50- 75% less drugs

Its not hard to excersize 3 days a week , drink 4 glasses of water a day.But with the powers that be such work,fastfood,fatigue its eazy to fall into a rut and look in the mirror 5 years later and say wtf happened to me? I used to be attractive.Some times convenice is not always better.If they had just took the stairs at work instead of the elevator or walked a few minutes a day.They prob would not have ended up 300lbs 55 years old and on edema drugs,diabetic drugs and all kinds of other shit.In my opinion its the convenice is what is killing the usa its all to eazy but thats what the govt wants you to think america is great becuase we have so much. Well in these times to much only ends up around your belly and on your chin.

 

[athlete.03]

I wouldn't put a GD thing past drug companies.

Read Utne magazine once in a while to get an idea of just a sliver of their behavior. Just consider the facts and it's hard to believe that the major drug companies aren't literally evil.

 

[niv]

Perhaps if the government found a way to use tobacco as a delivery method for steroids then it may be legalized.

haha

 

[ass_face]

Partly what you are saying is true. Drug companies always have to come out with new latest and greatest drug. If people were allowed easy access to testosterone, this would cure some cases of obesity, erectile dysfunction, depression, lethargy etc... They would stand to lose a lot of money of course. Everything in our mafioso government is driven by money.

Hell, I just read that a drug dealer was given a 1 million dollar bond and it had to be in cash. Well, the people delivered 1 million in cash.... A Judge said the money was most likely illegal would not accept it and seized it, and did not allow the man out on bond. How fucked up is that? We live in an opressive society where we are nickel and dimed by our government. And they can change the rules on a whim.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

Imagine what the drug companies would due if people took care of themselves ate right and worked out.they could not sell as much duretics,athritis pain killers,cholesterol meds,blood thinner and thickners,anti inflamation drugs,pychotheraputic drugs, uppers downers,insulin,wieghtloss products.
Imagine a world with no endless buffets,diabetic children,180lbs 5'2 9 yr olds,
Imagine a world were very few people needed those drugs a world where only 10% of the usa is obese not 63%.

Not a very good world for the drug companies if they sold 50- 75% less drugs

Its not hard to excersize 3 days a week , drink 4 glasses of water a day.But with the powers that be such work,fastfood,fatigue its eazy to fall into a rut and look in the mirror 5 years later and say wtf happened to me? I used to be attractive.Some times convenice is not always better.If they had just took the stairs at work instead of the elevator or walked a few minutes a day.They prob would not have ended up 300lbs 55 years old and on edema drugs,diabetic drugs and all kinds of other shit.In my opinion its the convenice is what is killing the usa its all to eazy but thats what the govt wants you to think america is great becuase we have so much. Well in these times to much only ends up around your belly and on your chin.

If I understand your point, you are crediting the cart with pushing the horse. The drug companies created the drugs you list to combat the problems people created for themselves. The drug companies did not make consumers fat and unhealthy, then invent these drugs to intervene. The consumers made themselves fat and unhealthy, then the drug companies responded by creating products to intervene. That skinny world you want to imagine is a stimulus for drug production.

 

[chazk]

If I understand your point, you are crediting the cart with pushing the horse. The drug companies created the drugs you list to combat the problems people created for themselves. The drug companies did not make consumers fat and unhealthy, then invent these drugs to intervene. The consumers made themselves fat and unhealthy, then the drug companies responded by creating products to intervene. That skinny world you want to imagine is a stimulus for drug production.

All I can say to that is this. I never said skinny world i said a world where not as many people are obese.Nothing wrong with a world that have a lower percentage of obese people in a normal body fat range.My grand mother had what is know as chronic fatigue syndrome the doctors could have recommended a diet rich in b vitamins,proper fat carb protien ratios.But did they? No they gave her a antidepressent.It made her gain weight 5 years later she had to take blood pressure pills becuase of the weight gain.The weight gain made her knees and feet hurt.Then came the next drug the antinflamatories for her pain in the knees and feet they cuased a stroke and she died.My father and I was looking in her cabinet after she died it was one giant fucking pill den. Over 8 drugs she was on in a 10 years time.I asked dad why she was on all that stuff.He replied becuase she was tired and they gave her antidepressents.

Excersize has been shown to release chemicals in the brain that battle depression.Excersize has been shown to help battle CFS.Excersize has been shown to help people high blood pressure and all kinds of health problems.

In todays world a tv ad comes on its a pill that pushed for everything from blood pressure to poping a boner.

Maybe in this "skinny world" you called it. I call it what a normal world should be. The us govt would have commercials with people running in the park , walking down a nature path , children out side playing , couples at the gym together working out.Instead of hey take a pill that has many side effects such as weight gain , itchy throats and maybe even death.

This is how I feel i'm sorry if you don't agree.My wife and I set aside 3 days a week to go to the gym after work around 8pm.Anyone can find the time even if its 5 am before work or 9 pm before bed.It is about the people of america making time. Not saving time popping pills

 

[mormussle]

" By the people for the people " long gone, the goverment cares more about big companies, than you and me. They justify this by saying its good for the economy, and jobs, witch is good for the people. BS industry is in charge of the country, and its all about profits. Imagine a goverment that tells poor old people they can't by there drugs in canada for half the money. WTF

 

[CO B-man]

It's a government headless conspiracy, not some drug company evil masterplan. No drug company is going to make maximum profit when the government legislates it's ability to distribute products.

Think about what you just said. Not flaming you bro but think a drug company could easily give out kickbacks, contribute to "Government programs" blah blah bla. If the Gov regulates "i.e. AAS as illegal then the only other solution to insomnia is ambien, lunesta, melatonin etc for that one problem sexual libido solution???? Viagara, cialis etc. Who is gaining here and how???? See what I mean?

 

[motodawg]

Makes some sense but then again why wouldn't they just push to make them "legal" then jack the price and sell the shit out of AAS.......just a thought i don't have many. They could sell plenty of hard on drugs to the guys who come off and can't get it up. Sleeping pills for the insomnia when your not on....I don't trust the gov at all so you may be rite.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

Think about what you just said. Not flaming you bro but think a drug company could easily give out kickbacks, contribute to "Government programs" blah blah bla. If the Gov regulates "i.e. AAS as illegal then the only other solution to insomnia is ambien, lunesta, melatonin etc for that one problem sexual libido solution???? Viagara, cialis etc. Who is gaining here and how???? See what I mean?

I agree and believe that they do this, but what they are trying to do is circumvent a problem the government creates by legislating drug production and distribution. Again the drug company loses profits. Where does the 'kickback' come from? It comes from the pocket of the drug company, hence it cuts into their profits. Who pays the professional lobbyists? Again it's a cost of business for the drug companies. Who pays for the 7+ year long FDA approval trials before a drug comes to the US market? Yet again it's a cost of business for the drug companies. All of these expenses are directly incured by government intervention. The US government is no friend to drug companies.

The drug companies also do not point a gun at anyones head and force them to consume the products they produce. If consumers do not want the offered products, they do not have to take them. Also who produces AAS? Generally it is the drug companies, hence AAS are another one of their offered products. Of course the drug companies are going to attempt to 'gain'. In order to stay in business they have to cut a profit. Consumers also 'gain' as they now have multiple choices to deal with health issues.

I think you have to look at what the drug companies have accomplished for humankind in general. Some of the 'evil' they have reigned upon the world includes wiping polio, small pox, and a host of other infectious diseases from the face of the planet. Thanks to their 'evil' your life expectancy is now 76 instead of 26. Thanks to their 'evil', you now have anesthesia before the doctor operates. Care to be fully conscious when the surgeon splits your sternum with a bonesaw?

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

All I can say to that is this. I never said skinny world i said a world where not as many people are obese.Nothing wrong with a world that have a lower percentage of obese people in a normal body fat range.My grand mother had what is know as chronic fatigue syndrome the doctors could have recommended a diet rich in b vitamins,proper fat carb protien ratios.But did they? No they gave her a antidepressent.It made her gain weight 5 years later she had to take blood pressure pills becuase of the weight gain.The weight gain made her knees and feet hurt.Then came the next drug the antinflamatories for her pain in the knees and feet they cuased a stroke and she died.My father and I was looking in her cabinet after she died it was one giant fucking pill den. Over 8 drugs she was on in a 10 years time.I asked dad why she was on all that stuff.He replied becuase she was tired and they gave her antidepressents.

Excersize has been shown to release chemicals in the brain that battle depression.Excersize has been shown to help battle CFS.Excersize has been shown to help people high blood pressure and all kinds of health problems.

In todays world a tv ad comes on its a pill that pushed for everything from blood pressure to poping a boner.

Maybe in this "skinny world" you called it. I call it what a normal world should be. The us govt would have commercials with people running in the park , walking down a nature path , children out side playing , couples at the gym together working out.Instead of hey take a pill that has many side effects such as weight gain , itchy throats and maybe even death.

This is how I feel i'm sorry if you don't agree.My wife and I set aside 3 days a week to go to the gym after work around 8pm.Anyone can find the time even if its 5 am before work or 9 pm before bed.It is about the people of america making time. Not saving time popping pills

Nobody forced your pill popping grandmother to take all of those drugs. She did it on her own volition. If you knew the answer to her medical woes to be cured through diet and exercise, why didn't you intervene? The government does have propaganda ministries that do exactly what you claim the government does not do: The President's Council On Fitness And Sports, American Cancer Society, Healthier US, the Center For Disease Control, the National Women's Health Information Center, the Office of The Surgeon General, and in some part the United States Agricultural Department to name a few. I can list more if you want them. I've never seen a govenrment PSA where you are instructed to pop pills to cure your ails.

No need to apologize for not seeing eye to eye with me. Frankly I'm entirely for personal responsibility in health matters, whether I agree with someone's free choice or not. You and your wife make yours; your grandmother made hers. Sorry for your loss.

 

[chazk]

Nobody forced your pill popping grandmother to take all of those drugs. She did it on her own volition. If you knew the answer to her medical woes to be cured through diet and exercise, why didn't you intervene? The government does have propaganda ministries that do exactly what you claim the government does not do: The President's Council On Fitness And Sports, American Cancer Society, Healthier US, the Center For Disease Control, the National Women's Health Information Center, the Office of The Surgeon General, and in some part the United States Agricultural Department to name a few. I can list more if you want them. I've never seen a govenrment PSA where you are instructed to pop pills to cure your ails.

No need to apologize for not seeing eye to eye with me. Frankly I'm entirely for personal responsibility in health matters, whether I agree with someone's free choice or not. You and your wife make yours; your grandmother made hers. Sorry for your loss.

Her doctors told her to take the pills thats why.He perscribed a pill that eventually led to other pills that eventually killer her. But hey doctors orders was not to diet and excersize it was to pop pills and the doctors know best don't they? Grandma would not listen to my dad (her son) becuase he does not have a 10 year degree and a script pad.
I see your govt "ministries" allow soda machines , candy machines,pizza hut along with Mcdonalds to set up shop in the school lunchrooms .While schools being underfunded and needing money the govt will not provide take the bribes becuase they need the money to stay functioning.Perhaps the govt should give schools the funding they need so the school can tell coca-cola and pepsi to take its pizzahut and burgerking away from the school lunch rooms.Where is the presidents council on fitness what are they doing to stop this?where is the center for disease control? The usa has made obestity a disease why not try and "cure" it .They can't so lil billy grows up gets fat has diabeties and keeps eating what he learned in school was good pizza hut with a mountian dew.

Humans are creatures of instinct .When a 9 yr old runs to get candy instead of a apple they dont understand what it does to their body .They just know it taste better and they like it.

I'm glad we do not see eye to eye if we did then obesity would be ok and the govt is doing everything above and beyond all it can do to stop it.Seeing eye to eye means nothing needs to be changed.I'm not looking eye to eye with you my eyes are turned away from you and focusing on rapid increasing obese adults along with childhood obesity.

You mentioned alot of things drug companies have cured with govt funding and finacial aid.Problem is the drug companies have not cured anything in the last 40 years,not a single cancer or case of aids,sars,bird flu.Things have changed in the last 40 years the drug companies make money of the repeat customers selling medicine to a life long cleint 20-40+ years or as long as they might live.If a aids patient was cured with a simple 1000$ shot would the drug companies be able to sell them azt,oxandralone along with a half dozen other drugs for the hiv/cocktail for 15-20 years?
Your also taking it the wrong way about advances in modern medical such as a tool to cut open ones jaw bones and drug companies raking in millions

 

[JohnnyWest]

I agree and believe that they do this, but what they are trying to do is circumvent a problem the government creates by legislating drug production and distribution. Again the drug company loses profits. Where does the 'kickback' come from? It comes from the pocket of the drug company, hence it cuts into their profits. Who pays the professional lobbyists? Again it's a cost of business for the drug companies. Who pays for the 7+ year long FDA approval trials before a drug comes to the US market? Yet again it's a cost of business for the drug companies. All of these expenses are directly incured by government intervention. The US government is no friend to drug companies.

All this would be right if it were not for one thing. You underestimate the massive amounts of money drug companies bring in with the sales of their drugs. They make enough to still have a substantial net income.

The drug companies also do not point a gun at anyones head and force them to consume the products they produce. If consumers do not want the offered products, they do not have to take them. Also who produces AAS? Generally it is the drug companies, hence AAS are another one of their offered products. Of course the drug companies are going to attempt to 'gain'. In order to stay in business they have to cut a profit. Consumers also 'gain' as they now have multiple choices to deal with health issues.

Think about what you just said. Sure we have the free will to refuse medication, but to what end? If people refuse blood thinners, they'll have a stroke. Why did they need blood thinners? Because they have a terrible diet and exercise ethic. Does the government and more particularily the drug comanies care about the health of americans? Most certainly not, there is no money to be made from a healthy public.

I think you have to look at what the drug companies have accomplished for humankind in general. Some of the 'evil' they have reigned upon the world includes wiping polio, small pox, and a host of other infectious diseases from the face of the planet. Thanks to their 'evil' your life expectancy is now 76 instead of 26. Thanks to their 'evil', you now have anesthesia before the doctor operates. Care to be fully conscious when the surgeon splits your sternum with a bonesaw?

Don't be naive and generalize the good accomplishments as being way more important then their negative impact on our society. It's a good thing these deadly viruses and bacterial infections can be cured, but it should have stopped there. Instead of creating more drugs with even more side effects to deal with the side effects of unhealthy lifestyles, the government (who has vested interested in the profit of drug companies) should have made much more strict laws for the food that is allowed to be sold (such as sugars and saturated/trans fat content). Have you ever read the ingredients on the back of junk food? You would need a background in chemistry to understand some of those terms and youcan't tell me those aren't hazardous to your health.

No disrespect but our views differ.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

Her doctors told her to take the pills thats why.He perscribed a pill that eventually led to other pills that eventually killer her. But hey doctors orders was not to diet and excersize it was to pop pills and the doctors know best don't they? Grandma would not listen to my dad (her son) becuase he does not have a 10 year degree and a script pad.
I see your govt "ministries" allow soda machines , candy machines,pizza hut along with Mcdonalds to set up shop in the school lunchrooms .While schools being underfunded and needing money the govt will not provide take the bribes becuase they need the money to stay functioning.Perhaps the govt should give schools the funding they need so the school can tell coca-cola and pepsi to take its pizzahut and burgerking away from the school lunch rooms.Where is the presidents council on fitness what are they doing to stop this?where is the center for disease control? The usa has made obestity a disease why not try and "cure" it .They can't so lil billy grows up gets fat has diabeties and keeps eating what he learned in school was good pizza hut with a mountian dew.

Humans are creatures of instinct .When a 9 yr old runs to get candy instead of a apple they dont understand what it does to their body .They just know it taste better and they like it.

I'm glad we do not see eye to eye if we did then obesity would be ok and the govt is doing everything above and beyond all it can do to stop it.Seeing eye to eye means nothing needs to be changed.I'm not looking eye to eye with you my eyes are turned away from you and focusing on rapid increasing obese adults along with childhood obesity.

You mentioned alot of things drug companies have cured with govt funding and finacial aid.Problem is the drug companies have not cured anything in the last 40 years,not a single cancer or case of aids,sars,bird flu.Things have changed in the last 40 years the drug companies make money of the repeat customers selling medicine to a life long cleint 20-40+ years or as long as they might live.If a aids patient was cured with a simple 1000$ shot would the drug companies be able to sell them azt,oxandralone along with a half dozen other drugs for the hiv/cocktail for 15-20 years?
Your also taking it the wrong way about advances in modern medical such as a tool to cut open ones jaw bones and drug companies raking in millions

Your grandmother made the choice to not follow advice given to her by people other than her quack. If she was lulled into thinking the fancy MD plaque hanging on his office wall gave him free license to run her health affairs, then the consequences are her responsibility and his.

When you mention my listed government agencies allowing sugar laden foods into schools which ones are responsible? The CDC? Doubt it. The American Cancer Society? Doubt it. Which ones that I listed are responsible? My point is government agencies exist that do what you deny any agency does.

What are 'my' government agencies doing during this fast food/ soda pop crisis you chest clutch over? Nothing effective, like all government agencies. If you could take a minute and actually read what I typed you would see I am for personal responsibility in health affairs. Your example about lil' Billy, whoever he is, only makes my point stronger. It is up to Billy and his parents not to eat that shit. Why is that so difficult to comprehend? That means I do not support these agencies as they take away from personal responsibility. You claimed that they do not exist when the do exist albeit in ineffective form. I mentioned them in counter to your ignorant blanket statement which resembles your ignorant blanket statement about drug companies reliance on government.

Humans are not creatures of instinct. Humans are creatures of reason. If eating candy over an apple was the result of human instinct then you, I, and every other human would do it. Not every human does though, hence it is not a behavior inate to our species, ie not instinct.

The drug companies do not owe anyone freebie medicines. They invest millions of dollars to research and develop treatments for diseases. They did not create these diseases, nor did they infect anyone with them, hence they are not responsible for the health of people who have them. They don't owe anyone a single shot cure for AIDS (though there is an HIV vaccine being developed by an evil drug company), they don't owe anyone a single shot cure for alzheimer's (though Elan Corp developed a vaccine that cures alzheimers, but couldn't be brought to market because a sizable percentage of people in initial trials developed a fatal nervous system inflamation). If you are better off without these terrible products they create then simply do not use them. Tell Magic Johnson and the host of other beneficiaries of terrible HIV treatments how much better off they would be without them. Then spin the clock back to the early 1980's when people were dying fast and dying in droves from 'GRIDS'. I guess HIV treatment hasn't come far in 22 years in your mind though. Tell Lance Armstrong his EPO and modern cancer treatments were all for naught as nothing has advanced in that field for the past 40 years according to you. 40 years ago he would be dead, not winning the Tour De France seven times afterwards.

I have no idea what this "tool to cut open ones jaw bones" you mentioned I talk about is? Are you talking about the sternum bonesaw? You don't even know what a sternum is. It's the bone between and underneath your pecs. It's not related to a jaw at all. The advancement I mention is the anesthesia, not the saw that cuts it open. You also mentioned that the government funded the research that lead to the cure of diseases I mention. I can't confirm or deny this without a bit of research. Can you direct me to where I can find this? I want to see your source of info for this. My suspicion is it does not exist. My suspicion is that you invent random nonsense to support your hackneyed opinions.

I've got to wave the white flag after this post. I can't argue with you as you don't understand what I'm saying and I apologize if I am not clear. The 'fat America' and status quo you think I support is nothing further from the truth. I support a 'free America', where people make their own decisions, the government does not intervene, people have unrestricted access to any drug or food product, and people take responsibility for what they do. That means you and your wife can go to the gym together three times a week and drink your four glasses of water a day. Meanwhile 'lil Billy and family can pop Lunestas, eat Whoppers, and drink soda until they explode if they so choose. You both stay out of eachother's way, you both stop forcing your choices on eachother, and you both accept the consequences of your actions.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

All this would be right if it were not for one thing. You underestimate the massive amounts of money drug companies bring in with the sales of their drugs. They make enough to still have a substantial net income.

Since when is it evil to make a profit? You work don't you? Or is all your time to your job volunteer? How long are you going to have your job if your company is not making a profit? Why aren't you all over the board sponsors chastising them for producing vanity products for profit? Why are you even on this board as George Spellwin is making a profit from it, hence the board is evil.

Think about what you just said. Sure we have the free will to refuse medication, but to what end? If people refuse blood thinners, they'll have a stroke. Why did they need blood thinners? Because they have a terrible diet and exercise ethic. Does the government and more particularily the drug comanies care about the health of americans? Most certainly not, there is no money to be made from a healthy public.

The drug company that creates the blood thinner didn't force you to eat improperly and not exercise. You made that choice. The drug company in fact has partialy saved you from your idiotic behavior and you should thank them. You thank them by buying their blood thinner and letting them make a profit from it. They aren't responsible for what you did to yourself. You ruined your health, not them.

Don't be naive and generalize the good accomplishments as being way more important then their negative impact on our society. It's a good thing these deadly viruses and bacterial infections can be cured, but it should have stopped there. Instead of creating more drugs with even more side effects to deal with the side effects of unhealthy lifestyles, the government (who has vested interested in the profit of drug companies) should have made much more strict laws for the food that is allowed to be sold (such as sugars and saturated/trans fat content). Have you ever read the ingredients on the back of junk food? You would need a background in chemistry to understand some of those terms and youcan't tell me those aren't hazardous to your health.

The government isn't in partnership with drug companies. The government devises ways to make money OFF of the drug companies, not WITH the drug companies. Just like the government devises ways to make money OFF of you via taxes, not WITH you via taxes. Government creates nothing, it only consumes. Again, you don't have to take the drugs if you don't want them. If you don't like the side effects of the drugs then do not take them. There's no gun to your head. I generally read the ingredients in the foods I consume and I do not eat fast food regularly. I make a conscious choice not to eat the stuff. If I want to eat the stuff though, who are you to tell me I cannot? Why is it OK for you to force your way of life on me? Even if the ingredients are harmful, I'm not harming you by consuming them.

No disrespect but our views differ.

I'm glad your view differs from mine as I've been ranting on this post for hours now and it's been a great mental exercise. I don't take it as disrespect at all. I actually take it as a sign of respect that you though it worthy to take the time to retort.

 

[chazk]

67% of america is obese what ever is going on now to help low the numbers is not working period.Fat poor people on Free govt medicade do not eat healthy or excerise yet they get unlimited supplies of Insulin,edima drugs,anti inflamtories the list goes on.While the tax payer pays for it all.

You may like the fact in america people have the freedom of choice.When these people abuse themselves so extream and become 600lb tree sloths expecting to have a free motorized scooter and a lifetime supply of drugs at my expense (through govt funded medicade)I have every right to speak out and say " hey its a problem".

That little fat kid that only 9 yrs old and chewing on a butter finger at 170lbs . You want to see his future ? At age 30 400lbs he will be checking his mail to get a social security disabilty check that you and me and every other american that works has just handed over to him.

I see where your comming from and your very logical and state the facts about how parents should teach kids and how kids should know what to eat.
Not every parent is what you would call a perfect role model.Many drink,smoke ,do rec drugs ,abuse food.

In a perfect world your claims would work .
I'm not wanting or asking the world to be perfect by any means as far as body wise. I'm just asking for a world with a lil less morbid obesity .

btw this whole
"free america" why do you keep trying to pushing those ideas on me?
This free america and its socialist programs allow the freedoms of others to be taken away .When I Go to get a Social security check it won't happen .But all the fat "free people " before me on disability already cashed it.

What about the orginal topic legalizing AAS for " free americans " to use as the choose. Why not ?
Becuase the govt has to step in and save us from ourselves so they banned them.But they wont step in and help stop obestity with such a level of degree such as stopping additives that make people crave more food and banning nasty msg's and preservitves that have been show to raise blood pressure and cuase rapid water retention.

Your right really no need to argue over it .Its " just the way it is " or the rich get richer and the fat get fatter.
I respect your point of veiw I really do.we as people have to take the - with the + in everything.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

Bros, I've got to go to bed. I've been defending the corrupt interests of evil corporations since 1 AM and it's now 5:30 AM. I'm going to pop a trazodone from the wicked Pfizer, lube my jimmy with diabetes inducing hydrogenated vegetable oil so I can fire a round off while ogling female victims of the exploitative www.kungpaopussy.com and fall asleep on my cotton sheets from some Wal-mart funded, sweat shop.

 

[chazk]

Bros, I've got to go to bed. I've been defending the corrupt interests of evil corporations since 1 AM and it's now 5:30 AM. I'm going to pop a trazodone from the wicked Pfizer, lube my jimmy with diabetes inducing hydrogenated vegetable oil so I can fire a round off while ogling female victims of the exploitative www.kungpaopussy.com and fall asleep on my cotton sheets from some Wal-mart funded, sweat shop.

lol i knew it your into asian porn! Your actually sending us subliminal messages in the fact your really a communist! You want the usa to fail as evil communist china pumps the usa full of meds and drains the usa money into its evil red china bank acount. then china will invade the usa ,The usa will be so fat and obese they will just use electric cattle prongs to poke us around like yelping pigs!

j/k man ! 530 time to hit the gym! as your day is over mine just begins!

 

[CO B-man]

Mmmmmm thanks for the link! Asian girls are SEEeeeexy!

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

Mmmmmm thanks for the link! Asian girls are SEEeeeexy!

I'm pleased we see eye to eye on this issue.

 

[CO B-man]

Love the short tiny petite ladies! yum!