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So many of you come off as oh so righteous. I am just wondering have you truly never sinned? Is your righteousness in it self not a sin?
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strangebrew
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what the hell does being conservative have to do with sinning? You don't need to believe in God to be a conservative.
True enough just seems in the US that most conservatives hold there bible in one hand and there gun in another.strangebrew said:
Ok rather then saying sinned how about are with out moral flaws? And is being righteous not a moral flaw?
I was expecting something a little more mature from you. I don't know why but I was my bad.p0ink said:
The_Eviscerator
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superqt4u2nv said:
Most? That is what the media would have you believe. Basically there are Fiscal and Social conservatives. Some are both and some are only one or the other. I am a fiscal conservative and I could give a shit about social issues. Many "conservatives" are the same way. Arnold comes t mind.
The difference between the republican party is that there is room for debate on issues. In the Nazi... I mean democratic party you must tow the line or be excommunicated.
strangebrew
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superqt4u2nv said:
Define moral flaw. Morality is subjective.
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The_Eviscerator said:
Amen. I am pretty much the same way.
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Wait QT... you are Liberal? Why do you and I fight so much... I'm a reformed-Republican turned Liberal. Hmmmm....
Ok, I take some of it back...maybe you aren't that bad.
Ok, I take some of it back...maybe you aren't that bad.
strangebrew said:
Hmm ....true again... ok my definition of marol would some be the right thing to do in a given stituation. (I know this is also subjective.) If you were to do something that is moraly flawed you would be doing the wrong thing. The standard of morality is set by your own subjectivety. So I guess what I am saying is have you not done something that is wrong in your own eyes. If you have then what gives you the right to be so high and mighty with others?
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BileStew said:
There is a reason why dems do not have the house, senate or the presidency. They have allowed fringe elements like social liberalism come to the forefront. No one wants someone's version of morality slammed down their throats. The Repubs have silenced the religious right and lessened their influence. On the dems side, the fringe is leading the party. Middle America has no interest in that.
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superqt4u2nv said:
Ahhh.... you answered the question in part already. Most ultra-conservatives do not believe morality to be subjective. They have a very narrowly defined view of right and wrong... and when they did break it in the past "well I had a good excuse... I had extenuating circumstances....".
strangebrew
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superqt4u2nv said:
I guess I don't quite get what this has to do with conservatives. Shouldn't that apply to everyone? I know more than a few liberals who act "high and mighty."
Not to mention, irritating.
It's funny, I was initially not going to vote this election, as I'm not a big fan of Bush or Kerry. I've recently decided to vote for Bush. Part of what swayed me in that direction was THIS chat board. Not the republicans mind you, but the liberals. So much ignorance on here, it's incredible.
BodyByFinaplix said:
According to some political compass thing that was posted I am liberal with some libertarian leanings. I have become more fiscaly conservative over the years but that is not say much I used to basicaly almost be a communist.
I would like use to also bare in mind that Canada's political system is a bit diffrent then the US, but basically you can disscuss politics with out being for a certain party but rather for a set certain of ideology.
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I remember that ideology test. I tested like -3.5, -3.1. Was right by Ghondi and the Dali Lama on the grid.
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Strangbrew, yeah I am by no means a Kerry fan, but my dislike for Bush is strong enough that I would be somewhat included to vote for just any bum they found under a bridge if he ran against Bush. However, I do not believe Kerry is a strong enough canidate to win. I'll stock up on .223, 7.62 mm russian (I've abotu about 2000 rounds of this stocked up and 1000 rounds of 9mm), mre's and hope democracy as we know it survives another four years. I predict a police state, with the US under martial law in 3 years.
spongebob said:
Lucky man to have never done anything wrong in your whole life.
strangebrew
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BodyByFinaplix said:
I hope you're not serious.
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makin' another moveBodyByFinaplix said:
grab some cheetos and a beer and kick back and watch the "master"
Taps
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Conservatives are self appointed FUN POLICE. If you enjoy it, then it's wrong and should be illegal. If they're religious then not only are you going to jail - shit, you're going to burn in hell.
Liberals might whine a lot (and play fast and loose with tax revenue) but at least they arn't banning gay marrige, putting kids in jail for smoking pot, and otherwise restricting peoples freedoms.
Liberals might whine a lot (and play fast and loose with tax revenue) but at least they arn't banning gay marrige, putting kids in jail for smoking pot, and otherwise restricting peoples freedoms.
sh4dowf4lcon
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I am conservative 
JerseyArt said:
I am not hostil I was just kind thinking out loud. If I could go back and repost the orginal question for the thread I would, but I figure leave my thinking out loud alone. Why has the term liberal become such a dirty word? Why are people willing to jump all over others rahter then listen to the political views? I can listen to conservative chatter and see when they make a good point. However I have rarely seen the conservatives show the same kind of respect or openmindness. (Ala pi0nk in his first and last post on this thread.)
I don't have any kind dislike for conservatives as a group of people in fact some of my best friends and family are even conservatives.
The new wave of conservatives are liberal conservatives, like Arnold Schwarzenegger. He'll lead the way. 
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superqt4u2nv said:
Why has the term liberal become such a dirty word? Why are people willing to jump all over others rahter then listen to the political views? I can listen to conservative chatter and see when they make a good point. However I have rarely seen the conservatives show the same kind of respect or openmindness. (Ala pi0nk in his first and last post on this thread.)
I don't have any kind dislike for conservatives as a group of people in fact some of my best friends and family are even conservatives.
ahh that ol' line, "some of my best friends are conservative".
<wink-wink> we know what you mean.
p.s. can you send me a soiled pair of panties.
The term liberal conservative sounds like an oxymoron to me.hanselthecaretaker said:The new wave of conservatives are liberal conservatives, like Arnold Schwarzenegger. He'll lead the way.
superqt4u2nv said:
Why has the term liberal become such a dirty word? Why are people willing to jump all over others rahter then listen to the political views? I can listen to conservative chatter and see when they make a good point. However I have rarely seen the conservatives show the same kind of respect or openmindness. (Ala pi0nk in his first and last post on this thread.)
I don't have any kind dislike for conservatives as a group of people in fact some of my best friends and family are even conservatives.
It is prceived as hostile. And in fact many of the policies proposed by dems are justifiably viewed as hostile. Especially when religious freedom and the non existent "constitutional" seperation of church and state is used as an excuse to push anyone who worships into some secluded swampland to do so.
And you are doing precisely what you are accusing conservatives of doing
religious=bible thumping hypocrite
conservative=closed minded judgemental know it all
Is that your idea of openmindedness. Why the need on either side to villify the other? It isnt enough that we think they are wrong, they have to be horrible evil people as well.
The viewpooints and values are different, nothing more.
JerseyArt said:
I am CANADIAN I don't think in terms of Dems and Reblicans. I don't bring my countries politics into this so let leave yours out. I am try to talk about morals flaws based on the fundimental values of liberalism and conservativism. Politics has its fundamental roots based on these to streams of thought. I made a boo boo when speaking of religion and politics as I said I was thinking out loud. I am listening I am not ramming my opnions down your throat attack style like you are.
superqt4u2nv said:
Superqt,
What?
How am I ramming my opinions down your throat or attacking? All I did was simply make the point that the premise of the thread is indicative of exactly the type of behavior you are complaining about.
Being hypocritical or close minded isn't the sole province of conservatives. They are human conditions. All of us can make cases based on extreme elements in either camp, then attempt to generalize the whole.
And the use of dems in my example was simply to make a point.
On a personal note I could write I find many "liberals" to be self righteous hypocrites. They imagine themselves to possess some superior moral fiber based on the misguided notion that their beliefs are most considerate and caring to the poor.
Yet with only very rare exceptions do I see anyone in that group whose concern for the poor stems beyond the belief that "some other wealthier person should be taxed out his ass to help them?" When you ask what have you done yourself its always some excuse laden, "well one time I...", exercise in bullshit.
Why can't we simply give the benefit of the doubt to people? I am a conservative not because I hate the poor, but because I dont think the sort of collectivist policies pursued by the left are either practical or work well. I believe that freedom means far more than the ability to participate in deviant sex acts and have completely unhindered access to porn.And I dont believe anyone has as a basic human right the choice to murder their child.
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The_Eviscerator said:
Dude, no offense but that's fucking hilarious. No one wants someone's version of morality shoved down their throat? Then why do you guys have someone who thinks 'he is doing God's work' in the White House? Your President is allowing his strong religious beliefs to play in politics with his attempt to amend the constitution to ban gay marriage and abortion. If the GOP has silenced the religious right, it's only because they have their 'messenger' in the Oval Office so have no need to say anything except 'four more years!'..............lolBlue
This is exactly what I was talking about with Super.
For one who is attempting to shove down there "morality" in anyones throats. The same baseless claims constantly parroted as if that will make them more real.
Conversely, your own hysterics is exactly why most religious people dont feel comfortable in the liberal parties. If anyone so much as mentions God, some nitwit liberal will twist the statement into "he thinks he's receiving orders directly from God."
Get over yourselves and your hyperbolic tendencies
This is exactly what I was talking about with Super.
For one who is attempting to shove down there "morality" in anyones throats. The same baseless claims constantly parroted as if that will make them more real.
Conversely, your own hysterics is exactly why most religious people dont feel comfortable in the liberal parties. If anyone so much as mentions God, some nitwit liberal will twist the statement into "he thinks he's receiving orders directly from God."
Get over yourselves and your hyperbolic tendencies
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p0ink said:
Yup, I agree.
JerseyArt said:
Your making a point that is meaningless to me or the very least could be. So I have takin the time to learn and know a bit about your countries politics. It also dosen't hurt the it is rammed down are throats as the US media has somewhat of a monopoly in North America.
Ok so I am asking you how do you help the poor? What do think would help them? I don't have the right to do to my body as I please? So you would perfer your country go back to coat hanger abortions? Or you would prefer that more unwanted childern are born? Growing up in poverty sucking on your tax dollars. The fact the you say murder is a rightous act so thank you for proving my point.
superqt4u2nv said:
You're losing me Super. And I don't even own network tv stocks, so I refuse to take responsibility for anything they say. I barely watch tv
What would help the poor. Better phrased, what helps the greatest number of people survive and prosper. I would suggest the conservative party politics I support. It isn't enough to be well intentioned when lives are concerned. One must also strive to be effective. Collectivist policies have been demonstrably proven ineefective and counter productive over the last 100 years.
And yes you have the right to do what you wish with "your" body, unless "your" actions even inadvertently bring another life, with its own set of rights, into the world. When the abortionist is chopping some persons limbs in the womb, they arent your legs, or your arms, or your head, which are being cut apart and suctioned out. It's sad that supporting someones inherent right to life is deemed self righteous.
Certainly a woman does possess privacy rights. Biology being what it is however pregnancy sometimes puts those rights in conflict with anothers right to live. When privacy rights are deemed to supercede a right to life it has less to do with self righteousness and more to do with a flawed moral and intellectual compass
bluepeter
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JerseyArt said:
George Bush is.
JerseyArt said:
What hysterics? I made a simple, factual statement. George Bush said on National television in response to a question about the war in Iraq and the war on terror that 'he was doing God's work'. If he wants to have a strong belief in God, good for him. A religious person should be outraged that he made such a presumptuous statement. Who is he to intimate that he is God's messenger? I find that offensive and I'm not even religious.
I think you and I would agree that religion and politics don't mix so why is your Commander In Chief stirring them up with a dose of spice?
JerseyArt said:
The same response you give to any post that you don't know what to do with because it is so obviously poking a hole in your President's balloon. If you can prove to me that George Bush did not make the comment in question, feel free to tell me I'm engaging in hyperbole. Since you can't, save it.
Blue
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I have to prove that some quote you just provided, without vewrification, is accurate? What was the context? What was the full quote?
What outrages liberals is any mention of God in public discourse. Which is precisely why religious people steer clear of your parties, here and abroad
LOL
I have to prove that some quote you just provided, without vewrification, is accurate? What was the context? What was the full quote?
What outrages liberals is any mention of God in public discourse. Which is precisely why religious people steer clear of your parties, here and abroad
george_diggler
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Doing Gods work doesnt mean God is "whispering in your ear"
It means you are "trying" to live your life and make decisions based on biblical instruction.
Moral conviction isnt a political leverage point, although if Kerry thought it would help him win the election I'm sure he could turn into the worlds biggest Christian by Monday morning....
It means you are "trying" to live your life and make decisions based on biblical instruction.
Moral conviction isnt a political leverage point, although if Kerry thought it would help him win the election I'm sure he could turn into the worlds biggest Christian by Monday morning....
bluepeter
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JerseyArt said:
K to anyone who can pull the quote, I can't find it. I know he said it because I saw a clip of the interview. It's also not the first time. He has painted what he is doing as a war of 'good vs. evil' and has invoked God on so many occasions I don't know how you can doubt me on this.
As for religious people steering clear of my parties, they're not my parties.
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The_Eviscerator said:
Exactly
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As far as righteousness goes, liberals can be just as bad
As far as righteousness goes, liberals can be just as bad
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A man died and went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly
Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him. He asked, "What are all those
clocks?"
St. Peter answered, "Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock.
Every time you lie the hands on your clock will move."
"Oh," said the man, "whose clock is that?"
"That's Mother Teresa's. The hands have never moved, indicating that she never
told a lie."
"Incredible," said the man. "And whose clock is that one?"
St. Peter responded, "That's Abraham Lincoln's clock. The hands have moved
twice, telling us that Abe told only two lies in his entire life."
"Where's Senator Kerry's clock?" asked the man.
"Kerry's clock is in Jesus' office. He's using it as a ceiling fan."
Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him. He asked, "What are all those
clocks?"
St. Peter answered, "Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock.
Every time you lie the hands on your clock will move."
"Oh," said the man, "whose clock is that?"
"That's Mother Teresa's. The hands have never moved, indicating that she never
told a lie."
"Incredible," said the man. "And whose clock is that one?"
St. Peter responded, "That's Abraham Lincoln's clock. The hands have moved
twice, telling us that Abe told only two lies in his entire life."
"Where's Senator Kerry's clock?" asked the man.
"Kerry's clock is in Jesus' office. He's using it as a ceiling fan."
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