Completely lost libido 5 weeks into cycle!

[stevesmi]

Obviously you dont know that the action of nandrolone despite it being a longer acting ester displays its affects far quicker.. not in its a.r binding, or its half life.
In its ability to cause increased progestenic affects.

This has nothing to do with a half life.

okay so you just admitted he should be running an AI or perhaps some caber too to combat progestenic affects. nandrolone aromatizes half as much as test.. that is a fact. but when you stack 2 aromatizing compounds you must run an AI. didn't you claim earlier that it was bro science? and now you make a point that re-inforces whats been said. WTF?

And 300mg of deca is a low dose.
500mg is moderate
800mg is high.
I ran deca at 300mg and 400mg 2 different cycles and my libido was through the roof stacked with 500mg test. the difference is I actually knew what I was doing and didn't just run shit without having ancillaries on hand.

who the fuck runs deca at 800mg's? that is ridiculous. this kid is 21 fucking years old and you think he should run it that high, or you are comparing his advancement to a pro who runs ridiculous dosages?


The reason why he is suffering with libido is increased estrogen levels.. increased prolactin and his test ratio is not yet high enough to counter act those problems.

yeah which is exactly what was said earlier in the thread which you referred to as broscience.. this guy is not running any ancillaries.

Dht conversion on this cycle will be low as deca raises shbg very quickly
Hence why i suggested proviron
proviron will not save him when he comes off and crashes, proviron is not a pct. this kid is in deep shit when he comes off mark my words .. nandrolone should never be run as a first cycle. or a 2nd, or a 3rd. and your posts make it seem like its okay to run what you think its a 'low dose'.. its not a low dose at all. any amount of nandrolone even 50mg a week should not be run for a newb. you gotta remember who you are advising, now you are encouraging him and suggesting yet another compound to be added. that makes no sense, lets just stack more stuff 3 compounds, no 4 compounds.. no 5 compounds.. the kid is 21 years old!! he needs to just flush it down the toilet and not run hormones for another year
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in bold and yes I get that proviron can help combat the hormonal imbalances, but I am not a fan of stacking more shit or newbs running multiple compounds .. they need to learn the ABC's first..

the kid has a nice frame in his avi and he is wasting a solid base taking advice from who knows who. all he had to do was stay natty for a couple more years then run primo or a little test. and cycle smartly. he didn't have to fuck with deca

 

[Reecey1]

Would anyone advise dropping the deca and using dbol instead??


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[Zyglamail]

Would anyone advise dropping the deca and using dbol instead??


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Your up to your eyeballs in a cycle you have no business doing in the first place. Your E levels are elevated which is at least part of your problem and you want to drop deca (which doesnt really convert to E) and add in something that does?

What you need to do is just stop your cycle and do some damn homework before you screw yourself up.

 

[Reecey1]

I'm getting some proviron to sort me out. I never knew dbol turns to estrogen! I took that last year and had no problems on it. Had great results too! I don't really think I should come off cycle seeing as I'm half way through it now. I just want something that helps my loss of libido. I can understand if I was 18 and taking deca but I think 21 is fine. No different at 21 as you would at 25. I'm 22 next month too. Haven't just turn 21.


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[Zyglamail]

Its not your age, its your knowledge and preparation.

 

[bonacris]

It's only 3 years. Everyone thinks they know everything at 21. There is a hell of a lot of maturing to do between 21 and 25 .Your still not mentally mature and this post proves it..

You should stop the cycle and stop making the matter even worse for yourself.. maybe do some research next time. Your just compounding the issue..

There is a reason we don't give guys under 21 steroid advice.. they don't listen and think they know everything




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[ha1a1]

It sounds dangerous. Explore flexibility, mobility & skill acquisition through sport or martial art for a few years as well as a well laid out strength/weights program. When you are proficient at controlling your body, have a good balance of everything then do some gear.

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[Reecey1]

Ah man I'm just not interested in that though. I want to get big and have a presence about me. Yoga, martial arts just doesn't interest me. I done boxing on and off for a few years. I just get fed up of the dedication them sports involve. The level of fitness you have to have is crazy. With the gym the dedication you need is to just get down to the gym firstly then lift hard! My dedication lies within the gym. I have a great diet. Good sleeping pattern I am I'm good shape and feel healthy. Just my libido now. I have taken test 3 times now and never had an issue. It's the deca that is causing my problems I know it!


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[fonzie2107]

I'm by no means an expert and have just started my first cycle (test only). I originally had in my head that I was going to run test and deca, but I held off putting something in my body that could potentially mess me up for life so I could gain more knowledge and do as much research as I could to feel comfortable.

After months of research and countless hours of reading I decided that test is all I needed for a first cycle. Especially at my age - 22. Deca is very suppressive and if you aren't clued up on it, its just not worth the risk.

Im still pretty young to be doing my FIRST cycle, but your now on your third and are nearly a year younger than me. In my opinion and I'm sure many others you started far to early.

 

[Tertulian]

Wasn't the advice to most newbs to wait until after 26 to use gear.

Anyways, since you are flying solo and getting advice from multiple people with no clear spelled out cycle w/schedule then I would listen to dylangemeli.

PM him or another moderator about starting PCT. Get on that asap.
Then learn about what you need to do going forward. I strongly advise you to not start adding things and experimenting with yourself now that you are having bad sides. Just go PCT (get someone to give you an explicit plan).

Tert