Competitive bb'er here...check this cycle out..

[bigtasty25]

last cycle i did 750mgs test, 300 deca 300 eq, 200 tren, 200 mast...for 6 weeks and got awsome results...i used letro on it...and i stayed dried, and my bodyfat didnt go up much at all but i gained really nice size..BUT, i got way aggressive on it, didnt do anything bad, just prefer to not feel as moody (tren does this to me, from experience)


this time around id like to try 750 test...400 deca 400 eq, 40 dbol..and run it 6 weeks, ill also use igf at 20mcgs daily first 4 weeks, with 2iu gh, and possibly 4-6 iu slin post w/o, 25mcgs t3..thats just the jist of it, with some letro (to kickstart ill use prop with the above cycle for 2-3 weeks, then after 4 weeks ill come off the deca/test, and use prop and maybe npp with the dbol)

whatcha all think?

i prefer shorter cycles...after week 6 i get diminishing returns so i prefer to hit it hard, do what i need to do to grow, then get out (if you get my drift)

cycle history...been cycling since 20..im 25 now...5'9 195...7-8% bf..

 

[cejeff]

If you're 195 now what were you five years ago when you started juicin'?


What were your "before" stats?

 

[drrman]

last cycle i did 750mgs test, 300 deca 300 eq, 200 tren, 200 mast...for 6 weeks and got awsome results...i used letro on it...and i stayed dried, and my bodyfat didnt go up much at all but i gained really nice size..BUT, i got way aggressive on it, didnt do anything bad, just prefer to not feel as moody (tren does this to me, from experience)


this time around id like to try 750 test...400 deca 400 eq, 40 dbol..and run it 6 weeks, ill also use igf at 20mcgs daily first 4 weeks, with 2iu gh, and possibly 4-6 iu slin post w/o, 25mcgs t3..thats just the jist of it, with some letro (to kickstart ill use prop with the above cycle for 2-3 weeks, then after 4 weeks ill come off the deca/test, and use prop and maybe npp with the dbol)

whatcha all think?



i prefer shorter cycles...after week 6 i get diminishing returns so i prefer to hit it hard, do what i need to do to grow, then get out (if you get my drift)

cycle history...been cycling since 20..im 25 now...5'9 195...7-8% bf..

well for what i think, 6 weeks is way to short for my taste...if your gonna shut yourself down might as well get at least 10 weeks from it.

second im not a fan of deca and eq together, i would drop the deca and up the eq to 800mg.......and eq is the main problem you have for length, eq will not start doing its magic for about 6-8 weeks, and you will be quitting right when it starts kicking.

next the HGH, 2 iu's for 6 weeks is a waste of time, i hope you are plannign on staying on the HGH for at least 6 months, otherwise forget about it and add add something else......6 weeks of HGH isn't going to yield ANYTHING, i been on 6 months, results didn't show for about 3-4

NEXT...20mcg of IGF is also a HUGE waste of time i don't care what that fucker in muscle mag says......all the igf going around is media grade, not receptor grade, meaning its about 80-85% pure........i would NOT run any less than 60, hell i ran 100 last time, and probably will run 120 next time..........i can PROMISE you 20mcg is also a waste of money bro....up it to at LEAST 60

cycle needs some work for sure

 

[blacksabbath1987]

well for what i think, 6 weeks is way to short for my taste...if your gonna shut yourself down might as well get at least 10 weeks from it.

second im not a fan of deca and eq together, i would drop the deca and up the eq to 800mg.......and eq is the main problem you have for length, eq will not start doing its magic for about 6-8 weeks, and you will be quitting right when it starts kicking.

next the HGH, 2 iu's for 6 weeks is a waste of time, i hope you are plannign on staying on the HGH for at least 6 months, otherwise forget about it and add add something else......6 weeks of HGH isn't going to yield ANYTHING, i been on 6 months, results didn't show for about 3-4

NEXT...20mcg of IGF is also a HUGE waste of time i don't care what that fucker in muscle mag says......all the igf going around is media grade, not receptor grade, meaning its about 80-85% pure........i would NOT run any less than 60, hell i ran 100 last time, and probably will run 120 next time..........i can PROMISE you 20mcg is also a waste of money bro....up it to at LEAST 60

cycle needs some work for sure

i would do hgh before i would do igf there is (no comparsion) i have done both. igf is over rated.

 

[bigtasty25]

im on the hgh constantly...i dont come off it really...and im already shut down i dont come off...right now my off cycle is 200 test 300 primo...2iu hgh and im runnin 20mcgs igf daily (10mcgs twice daily)..but seem to be gettin nice pumps off it...
nobody here believes in the receptor downgrade theory? it kinda makes sense if u think about it...also notice how after 3-4 weeks it looses alot of potency...

the eq is from ES..its transdermal..so it kicks in the day i start it...
also, use 200iu hcg eod to keep the boys normal sized, and i use 20mg nolva daily off cycle...no raisens here

 

[Triple J]

there's a popular theory around here that receptors actually upgrade however i personally doubt that and have not seen much evidence. it might be true with small natural hormone increases but this should not be extrapolated in a linear fashion to bodybuilding level AAS dosages. so i think switching gear and cycles around fairly often, like every 8 weeks or so, makes sense to help counter this effect

 

[drrman]

im on the hgh constantly...i dont come off it really...and im already shut down i dont come off...right now my off cycle is 200 test 300 primo...2iu hgh and im runnin 20mcgs igf daily (10mcgs twice daily)..but seem to be gettin nice pumps off it...
nobody here believes in the receptor downgrade theory? it kinda makes sense if u think about it...also notice how after 3-4 weeks it looses alot of potency...

the eq is from ES..its transdermal..so it kicks in the day i start it...
also, use 200iu hcg eod to keep the boys normal sized, and i use 20mg nolva daily off cycle...no raisens here

transdermal eq huh....who in the hell sold you on that bro.........

you don't make a lot of sense, you post saying you do 6 week cycles, then you say you don't even come off, if you are gonna stay on something and not come completely clean, why not just run a long cycle, 6 weeks then your so called "off cycle"???? your theories don't make a lot of sense to me.........not sure why you even posted this, you asked for advice but you already seem to have your mind made up.....i have pointed out MANY flaws in the cycle you are running or are going to run, especially the 20mcg IGF.....thats not enough for shit, i promise you that

 

[bigtasty25]

makes perfect sense...my off time i use small amounts of anabolics to keep from loosing size, so im still on but its to maintain size..but when i do a "cycle" i use 3-4 times what i use to maintain...that should make sense, and the transdermal eq is amazing, i get it from a popular source but im not naming names, ...if you're not a competitive bodybuilder..i guess it wouldnt..but it still should..its extremely simple logic...and bro, have some respect before you start spouting your mouth off like this

long cycles are bs in my opinion...your body can only stay anabolic so long..i prefer spurts with massive growth..so 6 weeks is what i do and what my body responds best to..everyone is different..

 

[Sassy69]

im on the hgh constantly...i dont come off it really...and im already shut down i dont come off...right now my off cycle is 200 test 300 primo...2iu hgh and im runnin 20mcgs igf daily (10mcgs twice daily)..but seem to be gettin nice pumps off it...
nobody here believes in the receptor downgrade theory? it kinda makes sense if u think about it...also notice how after 3-4 weeks it looses alot of potency...

the eq is from ES..its transdermal..so it kicks in the day i start it...
also, use 200iu hcg eod to keep the boys normal sized, and i use 20mg nolva daily off cycle...no raisens here

You're on GH constantly & you're 25 yrs old???

 

[marshallmadman]

I've seen this guys picture, and he really looks pretty damn good. Good classic physique.

 

[bigtasty25]

You're on GH constantly & you're 25 yrs old???

haha yup i can get it cheap...i dont see the point in coming off it since im competitve and plan on going on to nationals which i know i will for a fact and is only a matter of time...i think it can only be advantageous, plus it helps keep me lean which i love..and works well as a bridge..its great stuff for females too...

 

[drrman]

makes perfect sense...my off time i use small amounts of anabolics to keep from loosing size, so im still on but its to maintain size..but when i do a "cycle" i use 3-4 times what i use to maintain...that should make sense, and the transdermal eq is amazing, i get it from a popular source but im not naming names, ...if you're not a competitive bodybuilder..i guess it wouldnt..but it still should..its extremely simple logic...and bro, have some respect before you start spouting your mouth off like this

long cycles are bs in my opinion...your body can only stay anabolic so long..i prefer spurts with massive growth..so 6 weeks is what i do and what my body responds best to..everyone is different..

seems like you already got all the answers, why are you even here asking questions?

you asked what i thought and i told you......and just because you say you are a competitive bodybuilder does NOT make you any kind of authority on juice............I've helped many competitive bodybuilders, and i've been around many and had them help me.....and i still say your cycle is f'd up.....take that for what you wish........and if you don't want people to spout out at the mouth then don't post here.....

 

[rg78]

Why do you call yourself "bignasty" when your 5'9 195. Have u got some pics to post? I'd like to see what all this gear has done for you

 

[Harj10]

Why do you call yourself "bignasty" when your 5'9 195. Have u got some pics to post? I'd like to see what all this gear has done for you

yeaah throw in some pics bro

 

[drrman]

he's got some pics in his gallery guys.....he's not a small guy by any means!!

 

[galaxy]

I get what your saying about not seeing results after 6 weeks but i think if you spent another 4 weeks on you would see big changes in body composition. Not neccesarily size just an overall more impressive look to your physique if you get what im saying.

 

[bigtasty25]

drman...it's all good...i respect everyone's opinions on here, but i dont understand why you say the cycle is f*cked up, explain what exactly looks wrong in the cycle to you, based on everything ive told you already...i tried the 20mcg daily thing..modified palumbo...but im now trying 60mcg a day just to see if i DO see a difference..30mcg twice daily...ill let u know in a few days...
drman, feel free to tell me what u think would be a better cycle for me to try out...im not excluding your opinion..
i just notice a lack of pumps after the 6 week mark usually..and gains/weight slow down...i think catabolism starts to reach anabolism at that point...the body's action reaction factors start kicking in id suppose, thats my theory...but, like i said, everyone reacts differently...


my pics are in the gallery section..im not a huge guy, nor in my opinon do i consider myself that large... but i never said i was...i still have a long way to go before im where i want to be
and yeah im 195..but dont forget...i could step on stage with just 2-3 weeks of dieting..so it's not a soft 195..

 

[bigtasty25]

I get what your saying about not seeing results after 6 weeks but i think if you spent another 4 weeks on you would see big changes in body composition. Not neccesarily size just an overall more impressive look to your physique if you get what im saying.

i get what you're saying...ive already done the 8 or 10 week thing before...couple yrs ago...but even then...after week 6 gains slowed down..by week 8 or 9 i was gaining mostly just fat, and small gains..which in my opinion was just a waste of juice. BUT, i like to do things instinctively too since ive been at this awhile..if gains arent slowing down at the middle or end of week 6? Then i WILL continue the cycle..trust me..i dont let a good thing die

 

[drrman]

drman...it's all good...i respect everyone's opinions on here, but i dont understand why you say the cycle is f*cked up, explain what exactly looks wrong in the cycle to you, based on everything ive told you already...i tried the 20mcg daily thing..modified palumbo...but im now trying 60mcg a day just to see if i DO see a difference..30mcg twice daily...ill let u know in a few days...
drman, feel free to tell me what u think would be a better cycle for me to try out...im not excluding your opinion..
i just notice a lack of pumps after the 6 week mark usually..and gains/weight slow down...i think catabolism starts to reach anabolism at that point...the body's action reaction factors start kicking in id suppose, thats my theory...but, like i said, everyone reacts differently...


my pics are in the gallery section..im not a huge guy, nor in my opinon do i consider myself that large... but i never said i was...i still have a long way to go before im where i want to be
and yeah im 195..but dont forget...i could step on stage with just 2-3 weeks of dieting..so it's not a soft 195..

ahite bro, first off didn't mean to come across as an asshole, i do that sometimes......you do have an impressive pysique as i said before.....now, just because you have a lack of pumps and weight gain doesn't mean you aren't changing your physique.....if you are really aspiring to be a pro and you are all about it, you better get used to staying on high dosages a lot longer than 6 weeks.....those guys sure as hell do i promise you that.

as for the cycle, from my experience and helping others i just don't think 400mg eq is worth a shit, but you are using transdermal eq you say.......i don't like the transdermal concept for a few reasons, but mainly i like the slow release time of eq and i think it works great at 15-20 weeks runs, its a good compound when ran that long, but it must be run at much higher dosages.

next you are constantly on something which i don't see a problem with at all, i do it too, but going from your "off" cycle to your on cycle doesn't seem like a large jump to me, you are just adding 500mg more test and a bit of eq and deca, both which take 3-4 weeks to start working and you are dropping them after 6.

i also don't like deca and eq together, think you would be better off dropping one and upping the dosage of the other, but thats just me. You are only 25 and im sure you will do many many more cycles in your years, so you will live and learn just as i did, but i think you will see as you hang around more and more pros and you get further along that you will need to stay on that amount or more of test for much longer than 6 weeks.....maybe you haven't cycled enough, but in time you will need to stay on higher dosages much much longer......hell i have to run some crazy amounts of shit just to gain 2-3 lbs, and thats if im lucky.

and the IGF, 60 is a much better choice than 20, im well experienced with the IGF, i still say a 4 week run of 100mcg/day is teh way to go on it.........im saying some of this stuff basically because you are saying you are wanting to go pro and this is some of the things you are going to have to do to get there

good luck with it bro

 

[Wulfgar]

Actually a suprisingly large number of pros run gear for 6 week bursts. Very few of those guys run any one continual drug for longer than that time. they tend to rotate thier drugs. alot of guys swear by the 6 week on 3 weeks off method. There is a very positive benefit to running burst cyces and that is maximizing what each drug can do for you without letting the body have sufficient time to build up countermeasures to tip the scales back to catabolism(i.e. excessive esrogen and cortisol production). when exogenous levels of any hormone are introduced the bod strives for homeostasis by forcing catabolism to equal anabolism. the great thing about short burst cycles and rotating drugs is that u take advantage of periods of maximal activity of the drug....i.e. the ratio of anabolic activity to catabolic activity is shifted in favor of anabolism since the body hasnt had sufficient time to bring cortisol and estrogen levels up to a level equal to the high testoserone and other anabolic hormone levels.
GH, IGF, slin, T3 all have thier own negative feeback loops as well associated with thier use. And given enough tiem on each one sides will defiately begin to show.

Obviously ive tried and observed tons of people including myselfand i feel the healthiest, most side-free, consistantly improving guys are the guys that dont run the sme gear for weeks on end. rotation and cycling is essential.

 

[bigtasty25]

Alot of the things wulfgar just said i totally agree with..and you can find all this in "Building the Perfect Beast" also...explains it perfectly...action reaction factors...anabolism and catabolism catching up to each other...etc. The 6 week thing IMO is nice because its a shorter burst and you it tricks your body out of homeostatis until the body's action reaction factors catch up with it and anabolism starts slowing down and anabolism/catabolism equal each other (is what wulfgar is saying). GH igf slin T3 are all syngergistic too, but should all be cycled as well, cept for the GH IMO. I, like wulfgar...feel very healthy also...even though im improving consistently I dont like the idea of running high dosages for real long periods...i like having some low dosage periods to let the body relax. Heck...even a few of my national level buddies at my gym tell me even the pros that they know personally...bill willmore, ronnie...jay,,they all take at least a month or two off the drugs completely after a show. I even know wulgar did this recently...but i dont wanna come off everything...scared Ill loose a "little"..lol.

Drman, i like the idea of dropping one drug and using the other. Ill prob go with deca cuz i get alot more sides like high bp with eq, and anxiety..so i usually go with deca. But ure idea of using higher dosages as u get larger makes perfect sense and im sure is true with alot of guys you've helped that compete...and i tend it to be true in my experience..as the body grows larger it takes larger dosages to maintain that size, and even more to add to it. Staying on high dosages for longer periods isnt a necessisity, but say if i was to bulk for 6-8 weeks, then diet for 12 weeks for a show...then yeah thatd be an extended period and thats kinda what i did for my last show so in a way ure right on that one..lol. But using high dosages for say, 20-24 weeks with high dosages and just rotating the drugs...i guess is better than using the same drugs for those weeks...but if u look at what wulfgar said...its "burst" cycles that really shift the anabolic to catabolic ratio...but i know alot of guys do the long cycle thing so im not gunna say it doesnt work. Like ive said previously, everyone is different and has their own preferences.

As for becoming a pro...i have no idea if that'll happen but i just like doing things in baby steps...for now im just working on building my physique to get a national qualifyer next year to come in the 180s...so for now im full attack on that, and trying to get some contacts, seeing if dareem will let me personal train at his new gym heh =)
And wulfgar, did u say u lived in Tx or cali? if its cali..there are tonnnsss of pros out there u can get friendly with, it'll help if u compete at nationals possibly lol.

 

[drrman]

Alot of the things wulfgar just said i totally agree with..and you can find all this in "Building the Perfect Beast" also...explains it perfectly...action reaction factors...anabolism and catabolism catching up to each other...etc. The 6 week thing IMO is nice because its a shorter burst and you it tricks your body out of homeostatis until the body's action reaction factors catch up with it and anabolism starts slowing down and anabolism/catabolism equal each other (is what wulfgar is saying). GH igf slin T3 are all syngergistic too, but should all be cycled as well, cept for the GH IMO. I, like wulfgar...feel very healthy also...even though im improving consistently I dont like the idea of running high dosages for real long periods...i like having some low dosage periods to let the body relax. Heck...even a few of my national level buddies at my gym tell me even the pros that they know personally...bill willmore, ronnie...jay,,they all take at least a month or two off the drugs completely after a show. I even know wulgar did this recently...but i dont wanna come off everything...scared Ill loose a "little"..lol.

Drman, i like the idea of dropping one drug and using the other. Ill prob go with deca cuz i get alot more sides like high bp with eq, and anxiety..so i usually go with deca. But ure idea of using higher dosages as u get larger makes perfect sense and im sure is true with alot of guys you've helped that compete...and i tend it to be true in my experience..as the body grows larger it takes larger dosages to maintain that size, and even more to add to it. Staying on high dosages for longer periods isnt a necessisity, but say if i was to bulk for 6-8 weeks, then diet for 12 weeks for a show...then yeah thatd be an extended period and thats kinda what i did for my last show so in a way ure right on that one..lol. But using high dosages for say, 20-24 weeks with high dosages and just rotating the drugs...i guess is better than using the same drugs for those weeks...but if u look at what wulfgar said...its "burst" cycles that really shift the anabolic to catabolic ratio...but i know alot of guys do the long cycle thing so im not gunna say it doesnt work. Like ive said previously, everyone is different and has their own preferences.

As for becoming a pro...i have no idea if that'll happen but i just like doing things in baby steps...for now im just working on building my physique to get a national qualifyer next year to come in the 180s...so for now im full attack on that, and trying to get some contacts, seeing if dareem will let me personal train at his new gym heh =)
And wulfgar, did u say u lived in Tx or cali? if its cali..there are tonnnsss of pros out there u can get friendly with, it'll help if u compete at nationals possibly lol.

again, i guess you need to find what works best for you......this was a good post here you made and i do agree with you and wulfgar to an extent.......anyways, let us know how it works and best of luck with the competition(s)

 

[chefbone]

Transdermal EQ.....WTF?????
I've done EQ afew times but transdermal.....fuggin sweet.
<<thinking, how the hell does that work>>

 

[Juiced]

Compeltley agree with DR again..Took the words out of my mouth.

 

[Juiced]

Wulf has a very good point and I agree comptletley also with periods of short high intense cycles, ive done many and have had AWSOME results...

 

[TheRide]

the eq is from ES..its transdermal..so it kicks in the day i start it...

What? Never heard of that one bro....

 

[Wulfgar]

whoa @ transdermal EQ

 

[Triple J]

i wonder is the transdermal pure boldenone without any ester

 

[drrman]

i wonder is the transdermal pure boldenone without any ester

i would have to imagine it is.......must be with a DMSO carrier.....i hate that shit.......

 

[bigtasty25]

u guys seriosly never heard of transdermal eq? lol...yeah...go over on outlawmuscle.com...they have a classifieds. thats all im gunna say..lol.

im also gunna edit this post later tonight...i dont want the word getting out too much lol


im just worried 6 weeks of 40mgs dbol is kinda alot for my liver (even though i havent used orals in awhile)...what do u guy's use for liver protection? i use primrose oil, milk thistle, liv52, is that enough?..