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Competitive Athlete and HRT
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swaglantern
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Yea...I know it's on the banned list - but if I'm not looking to go beyond physiological limits then It probably wouldn't test positive. I have no moral qualms regarding treating an illness - if that is in fact the case. I know more than a few guys who are using the buterols, and the cortico-steroids for breathing, and those are also banned if you do not get a Docs referral to use them. I'm pretty sure that they are not seating it. If you are not competing at the the absolute upper level then USA cycling or NORBA is probably not going to be interested in footing the 2500$$ bill for testing.
Zircon said:
sure...Im more itnerested for my own sake as well lol 
I wonder how it works...as far as I know they dont test your total test or anything, they test your epi/test ratio...above 4:1 and ur screwed right?
So if I were to do trt at a later stage...how much wud one take? 100mg enan won't show up per week? not sure wht the level is.
i wouldnt sweat either. ALl of em juicing
I wonder how it works...as far as I know they dont test your total test or anything, they test your epi/test ratio...above 4:1 and ur screwed right?
So if I were to do trt at a later stage...how much wud one take? 100mg enan won't show up per week? not sure wht the level is.
i wouldnt sweat either. ALl of em juicing
swaglantern
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Well - I'm not too well versed on how they test. But if you go through HRT through a doc - then I'm pretty sure you'll be ok. They are looking for supraphysiological levels. As much as I hate to be jaded - I agree with you. I think 90% of the peloton is on something at one time or another. Tell me how a guy with one testicle is producing enough testosterone to be competitive? Chemotherapy fried all of his glands I'm sure. They probably got him on everything to get going initially. HGH is undetectable.....why wouldn't an athlete be on it? Everyone is 1. either looking for an edge...or 2. Just trying to survive. How can it be fair that a man with asthma can take breathing aids.....but a man with hypogonadism can't take test. Level playing field my arse! hehehe
Zircon said:sure...Im more itnerested for my own sake as well lol
I wonder how it works...as far as I know they dont test your total test or anything, they test your epi/test ratio...above 4:1 and ur screwed right?
So if I were to do trt at a later stage...how much wud one take? 100mg enan won't show up per week? not sure wht the level is.
i wouldnt sweat either. ALl of em juicing
lanky
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its funny how one of the initial thoughts when androgel was in development that it has a low potential for abuse,,,when in fact it is now the perfect route and substance to use for competitive sports in which drug testing is done......testosterone level at 1300 ng/dl one day...then drop the dose down...600ng/dl the next.....perfect........there has been doccumented cases of doctors prescribing androgel at 15G a day(normal dose is usually around 5-7.5g day)
swaglantern
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Androgel was one of the drugs Jesus Manzano (pro cyclist) listed when asked what they took. He also listed about 50 others it seems.. hahha
Anyway. I don't think anything in between 300-1200 (according to most physiological norms as far as humans go) would be "looking for an advantage" - or cheating if you ask me - especially when a person is deficient. But that is my moral opinion. Bodybuilders have been tested in the 10's of thousands..some in the 20's!...This to me is a person hell bent on cheating and gaining an unrealistic unfair advantage...but oh well. If one is looking to get from an ultra low 200 to a normal 800 or so....then I don't see the problem.
Anyway. I don't think anything in between 300-1200 (according to most physiological norms as far as humans go) would be "looking for an advantage" - or cheating if you ask me - especially when a person is deficient. But that is my moral opinion. Bodybuilders have been tested in the 10's of thousands..some in the 20's!...This to me is a person hell bent on cheating and gaining an unrealistic unfair advantage...but oh well. If one is looking to get from an ultra low 200 to a normal 800 or so....then I don't see the problem.
lanky said:
yeh...question is how do they test for it? As far as I know, they dont care about total test etc...they only care about epitest ratio.
I'm not sure how exogenous test afefcts this ratio - even when it is normal compared to a normal male. Ie if you take enough test enan to keep you at 900, it's not supraphysiological as I understand, yet the T/E ratio might be out the window because you take exogenous test???
THat is how I understood it...they check for skewed T/E ratio, if they find it they pretty much assume you are taking exogenous test (even if its 50mg a week) - and then you're screwed.
In short I'm not sure how a normal trt dose of test (say 100-125mg a week) afefcts the T/E ratio...
I'm not sure how exogenous test afefcts this ratio - even when it is normal compared to a normal male. Ie if you take enough test enan to keep you at 900, it's not supraphysiological as I understand, yet the T/E ratio might be out the window because you take exogenous test???
THat is how I understood it...they check for skewed T/E ratio, if they find it they pretty much assume you are taking exogenous test (even if its 50mg a week) - and then you're screwed.
In short I'm not sure how a normal trt dose of test (say 100-125mg a week) afefcts the T/E ratio...
swaglantern
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That's a damn good question....and from what I understand - Free test is not an exact science and I could be wrong..but I thought they calculated part of that as a percentage of total test...i.e. a person with overall low test would not have ridiculously high free test....but like I said - I could be totally wrong on this. It also seems that different labs have different "standards".... When was the last time anyone ever got banned because their "free test" was too high? While we are on that subject..they really don't even have an exact test for EPO...anyone 50 and over is auto flagged and then they test further...but you can be on EPO at 42 hematocrit..and probably not raise suspicion. The doping rules are really a bunch of crap.
Zircon said:
lol yeh...well i guess its necessary...but its still ends up being a cat and mouse game of money, instead of dedication and talent.
Ill keep posting onother boards...I think my limited knowledge comes in as to how total test affects epit test ratio....I will do more reading up on epi test ratio and see if i can come up with something
Ill keep posting onother boards...I think my limited knowledge comes in as to how total test affects epit test ratio....I will do more reading up on epi test ratio and see if i can come up with something
