Colin is Layin' It Down for The U.N.

[bigguns7]

This seems like irrefutable evidence of a material breech to me. I guess people will now argue that we don't know for sure that the convoys of trucks and cranes at these thirty weapons sites were actually moving weapons. But that's pretty weak.

So, we have these things:

After 4 years of lying, Iraq has finally admitted to producing chemical weapons.

They have issued a decree that anyone who gives an interview to the U.N. Security Coucil outside of Iraq will be guilty of treason.

They have instructed scientists at these facilities to stay home until further notice so they can avoid weapons inspectors.

Workers at weapons plants have been replaced with Iraqi intelligence agents.

Iraq has provided a false death certificate of one of its scientists who is instrumental in creating these weapons.

Weapons facilities have been doing major "housecleaning" two days before UN inspectors have arrived.



So, are they hiding something?

 

[HumorMe]

I'm watching and listening to Colin Powell right now and I have to say the evidence is compelling.

Scary shit Saddam is doing.

Next stop, Iraq!

 

[Little Ty]

Gimme a break.....In this day and age anything can be frabicated and shown as "proof". Audio intercepts...fuck they can be from any Arab country...Bootom line....The US will do ANYTHING to convince the UN to wage war in Iraq....

Let me try to save some space and time for everyone. There is no breaking through to this type of opinion. There is no sense even discussing this further. You will have people that believe the U.S. and others that will believe Iraq. No changing either sides mind. It's a useless discussion.

 

[MortyJackson]

Let me try to save some space and time for everyone. There is no breaking through to this type of opinion. There is no sense even discussing this further. You will have people that believe the U.S. and others that will believe Iraq. No changing either sides mind. It's a useless discussion.

Exactly, hooch is going to trust an Iraqi dictator more than he trusts our current administration. There is nothing that can be shown to him to change his mind. However, if Clinton were up there speaking hooch would be all for war.

 

[SofaGeorge]

As the Thing used to say, "It's clobbering time!"

 

[Longhorn85]

Can't wait to hear France's response.

 

[MortyJackson]

Can't wait to hear France's response.

France is preparing to surrender.

 

[FreakMonster]

This seems like irrefutable evidence of a material breech to me.

It is my guess that you would believe that a Hussein hangnail would be evidence of a "material breech."

Powell ran the clock to the UN Lunch hour. What a joke except for the naive. Can't wait for the war to start and all neo con birds run for cover.
No place to hide when the shit hits the fan.

"...After 4 years of lying..."

Excuse me. Did I fall asleep and miss something--like the total eradication of human nature? So, we are now going to go to war against Nations whose Leaders "lie"? The mind boggles.

...They have issued a decree that anyone who gives an interview to the U.N. Security Coucil outside of Iraq will be guilty of treason...

Well, they're on the right track but it doesn't go far enough. I would insist that anyone who comes into contact with anything remotely connected to the UN be fined heavily. Furthermore, any public official who tranfers any public funds to the UN should be exiled or drawn-and-quartered.

...They have instructed scientists at these facilities to stay home until further notice so they can avoid weapons inspectors....

I hope they have some useful hobbies so they don't get restless at home. "Idle hands" and all that, you know. Maybe they'll make babies who will grow up with fond memories of how, although their country was bombed and humiliated for over a decade by the Anglo/Saxon military combine, it nevertheless outlasted the United States--which broke up violently under the weight of the contradictions of its Ruling Class' obsession with "multiculturalism", amidst catastrophic economic decay.

...Workers at weapons plants have been replaced with Iraqi intelligence agents....

Taking a page out of Uncle Sam's book--eh? Plagarism is now grounds for the violent overthrow of foreign governments?

...Iraq has provided a false death certificate of one of its scientists who is instrumental in creating these weapons....

Now they're gittin' nasty. Tryin' to keep us from givin' him a good 'n proper death certificate.

..Weapons facilities have been doing major "housecleaning" two days before UN inspectors have arrived....

LOL! Is laughter echoing throughout the chamber or are all the Stone Faces keeping themselves under control? We're on the edge of our seats!

 

[MortyJackson]

Re: Re: Colin is Layin' It Down for The U.N.

Powell ran the clock to the UN Lunch hour. What a joke except for the naive. Can't wait for the war to start and all neo con birds run for cover.
No place to hide when the shit hits the fan.

What shit is going to hit the fan?

 

[beastboy]

I think N. Korea is a bigger threat.

 

[JohnyJuice]

France is preparing to surrender.

HAHHAHHAHAHHAAH!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[manny78]

Can't wait to hear France's response.

Remember: half of the Iraqis arsenal was french made, the other half russian.

 

[Longhorn85]

I'm wondering if France is afraid we'll discover that they have been trading with Iraq illegaly.

It is ironic that Germany is trying to be such a peacenik, when now it appears that they are aligning themselves with a Hitleresque dictator.

 

[rushx79]

Can't wait to hear France's response.

someone from europe on another board said there is a show already on that is explaing how easy it is to fabricate the evidence presented.

 

[louden_swain]

Lets get this show on the road!!

Iraq:

1. A leader who butchers his own people
2. weapons of mass destruction
3. defiability
4. failure to cooperate with UN
5. Former bodyguard admitting to Iraq's housing of weapons
6. failure of meeting UN decisions

US:
1. had highly credible evidence
2. has witness
3. has tapes
4. had documents


Without war how will Iraq be disarmed? The US had already proposed a peaceful solution, but Iraq failed to comply.

Everything is here in black and white. . . .liberate the people of Iraq!!

 

[Strong_Man20]

Remember: half of the Iraqis arsenal was french made, the other half russian.

Dont forget america and britain too. And were did you get half from?? US was the main supplier of WMD to sadam in the 80's, despite his behaviour towards his people. However the US has just maracuiosly discovered that Sadam needs removing now??MMMM

This argument for war is beyond a joke, considering Israel has defined more UN reseloutions than Iraq in regards to the Palestinians, invaded 5 of its neighbours therefore creating more instability in the ME......

NKorea has just reactivated its nuculer facilities and unlike Iraq there is clear proof that they have WMD.

The double standards with other countries prove without a doubt that Americas real motive is not what they say it is.
Because if it was to rid the world of WMD the first stop they would have to make in order to bomb would be the white house for supplying him with most of the weapons in the first place.

 

[BackDoc]

France is preparing to surrender.

 

[bigguns7]

Re: Re: Colin is Layin' It Down for The U.N.

Now they're gittin' nasty. Tryin' to keep us from givin' him a good 'n proper death certificate.

The guy isn't dead. That was the point of that one.

And I'm not saying let's go to war, I'm saying that there have been material breeches of resolution 1441. Are you arguing with that fact?

 

[chesty]

There are those who want the smoking gun so that they don't have to make a choice because choices always run a risk.

This happened before, 1933 Europe, Hitler. The world turned a blind eye to Germany. We got our smoking gun though! Hooray! Poland, Sept 1939. Thousands died, in the Blitzkrieg and by that time Hitler had already conquered most of Europe. The ensuing war lasted six years and cost millions of lives. Most notably my ancestors at places like Auschwitz, Dukow and dozens more.

If we wait we will get a smoking gun. How about a nuclear attack on India or Israel? How about Vx in Kuwait or Turkey? Sure then we can say see we told you so, and now you gotta pay up because it will take us years to drive out Hussein.

But those same people will now be screaming for us to not risk destabilizing the region more or worse yet, will be saying "Why didn't you do something sooner?" Answer. We wanted to, but you pussies didn't want us to. So guess what? Time to pay up bitch! It is gonna cost money, time, supplies, and most importantly Blood! Millions of lives worth, mostlyl from the US of course.

 

[FreakMonster]

There are those who want the smoking gun so that they don't have to make a choice because choices always run a risk.

This happened before, 1933 Europe, Hitler. The world turned a blind eye to Germany. We got our smoking gun though! Hooray! Poland, Sept 1939. Thousands died, in the Blitzkrieg and by that time Hitler had already conquered most of Europe. The ensuing war lasted six years and cost millions of lives. Most notably my ancestors at places like Auschwitz, Dukow and dozens more.

World War II arose out of the humiliation and partition of Germany after World War I when Wilson decided to draft American boys as fresh cannon fodder for the putative social democracies--a purely arbitrary choice. And incidentally, our humiliation of a race known for nursing grudges will bear consequences as well.

The United States no more fought World War II to save the Jews from Hitler than Lincoln invaded the South to free the slaves. The U.S. declared war on Japan after the Empire pre-emptively bombed a naval base (sound familiar?). Germany, citing its treaty obligations to Japan, declared war on the U.S. Only then did the U.S. declare war on Germany.

I fail to understand how you can reference the German Blitzkrieg, while assumingly against it, and the American Blitzkrieg, while assumingly supporting it, in the same post.

If we wait we will get a smoking gun. How about a nuclear attack on India or Israel?

Yes, please.

That'd go a long way to wiping out our foreign aid problem.
Israel is the Nuke kid on the block and the leadership is damn near as unstable as you appear to be.

How about Vx in Kuwait or Turkey? Sure then we can say see we told you so, and now you gotta pay up because it will take us years to drive out Hussein.

Gas, VX or not, isn't a weapon of mass destruction, regardless of your bug-eyed screeching. It is an area denial weapon. Sure, it will kill you, if caught, unprotected in it.

As for the bio crap, get down close to the ground in a farming area and breathe in all the Anthrax you want. All of the bio stuff is treatable.

Now if you really want to get rid of Sadam that bad, get your ass to Israel and do it yourself.

But those same people will now be screaming for us to not risk destabilizing the region more or worse yet, will be saying "Why didn't you do something sooner?" Answer. We wanted to, but you pussies didn't want us to. So guess what? Time to pay up bitch! It is gonna cost money, time, supplies, and most importantly Blood! Millions of lives worth, mostlyl from the US of course.

Charming. I take it you are physically repulsed by the female gender and genitalia, which is why you consider such terms an insult.

And what's this "us" business? You are going to ride out this war behind your computer monitor?

 

[manny78]

Dont forget america and britain too. And were did you get half from?? US was the main supplier of WMD to sadam in the 80's, despite his behaviour towards his people. However the US has just maracuiosly discovered that Sadam needs removing now??MMMM

This argument for war is beyond a joke, considering Israel has defined more UN reseloutions than Iraq in regards to the Palestinians, invaded 5 of its neighbours therefore creating more instability in the ME......

NKorea has just reactivated its nuculer facilities and unlike Iraq there is clear proof that they have WMD.

The double standards with other countries prove without a doubt that Americas real motive is not what they say it is.
Because if it was to rid the world of WMD the first stop they would have to make in order to bomb would be the white house for supplying him with most of the weapons in the first place.

Iraq had from France:

- Exocet anti-ship missiles

- Mirage F-1 fighters

- Dassault Etandard fighters

- Gazelle choppers

- HOT anti-tank missiles

- Puma choppers

 

[Little Ty]

Notice how character and accountability has left every society. Used to people would own up to things when presented with evidence but these days even when presented with solid evidence people can refute it. You simply can say "nope it wasn't me." Our own justice system has set the table for the entire world. Common sense no longer makes the party. Common sense is absentee voting (and probably not getting counted even then).

When did this happen? Maybe it was with the O.J. trial or maybe sooner. It was somewhere between now and the Cuba Missle Crisis. The U.S. charged that Russia had nukes in Cuba which Russia and Cuba flatly denied. So the U.S. was forced to go in front of the U.N. and unveil top secret U-2 photographs of the actual missiles. This is where the story gets to my point. At that moment the Cubans and Russians admitted they were there. Do you think that would happen today? I don't think it would. I think they would say it's a snow cone maker and people would believe them because they want to. Reason and accountability have gone bye-bye in the worlds society.

And I know that the evidence presented today was not as convincing as the U-2 photos but the Russians and Cubans weren't being as careful then either because it was before satellites could see everything. Iraq has these weapons no doubt (back to common sense). I think even the detactors know this but the question is it enough to go to war. I respect their opinion and agree that war is the last thing that I want to see but how else do you disarm them. He has been in violation since 1991. I hear Mandela talk about the U.S. making the U.N. irrelevant but that is what Saddam has been doing for 12 years. Let's face it the U.N. is useless. It can be said that Isreal has in violation for 36 years and people ask why doesn't America do something about that. Well because that's our ally. Period. Like it or not. If a stranger steals from you you break his jaw, if your family or best friend does it you let it slide. It's human nature. Is it fair probably not. But it will never change. Ever! It's the same with everyone from all over the world.

 

[FreakMonster]

And I know that the evidence presented today was not as convincing as the U-2 photos but the Russians and Cubans weren't being as careful then either because it was before satellites could see everything. Iraq has these weapons no doubt (back to common sense). I think even the detactors know this but the question is it enough to go to war. I respect their opinion and agree that war is the last thing that I want to see but how else do you disarm them. He has been in violation since 1991. I hear Mandela talk about the U.S. making the U.N. irrelevant but that is what Saddam has been doing for 12 years. Let's face it the U.N. is useless. It can be said that Isreal has in violation for 36 years and people ask why doesn't America do something about that. Well because that's our ally. Period. Like it or not. If a stranger steals from you you break his jaw, if your family or best friend does it you let it slide. It's human nature. Is it fair probably not. But it will never change. Ever! It's the same with everyone from all over the world.

Regardless of evidence, there's no doubt we are going to war. The fix has been in for a while.

Bush Aide: Inspections Or Not, We'll Attack Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/11.24A.perle.attack.htm

George Bush's top security adviser last night admitted the US would attack Iraq even if UN inspectors fail to find weapons.

Dr Richard Perle stunned MPs by insisting a "clean bill of health" from UN chief weapons inspector Hans Blix would not halt America's war machine...

 

[Little Ty]

Regardless of evidence, there's no doubt we are going to war. The fix has been in for a while.

Bush Aide: Inspections Or Not, We'll Attack Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/11.24A.perle.attack.htm

George Bush's top security adviser last night admitted the US would attack Iraq even if UN inspectors fail to find weapons.

Dr Richard Perle stunned MPs by insisting a "clean bill of health" from UN chief weapons inspector Hans Blix would not halt America's war machine...

That's because the U.S. is has all the evidence it needs through it's own intelligence. They also know that the inspection are useless. That was highlighted in the intercepted conversations. Now whether you think the interceptions were fabricated that is you but I think they are legit. And if I were the U.S. (from a strategist point of view) I would do it as soon as possible because Iraq is winning the inspection game.

 

[freshr1]

Yup, the US doesn't care about WMP. They want a regime change in Iraq under any circumstances, which is illegal under international law. WTF does Iraq have to do with the US. Answer : Absolutely nothing, except that the US gets a lot of oil from Iraq.

Even IF Iraq has WMP (which have not been found), the only mass destroying Iraq would be able to do is to their neighbouring countries.

Even IF terrorists are operating out of Iraq, does that imply Iraq is somehow involved? There were plenty of terrorist cells in Germany, Italy, France, Canada, etc.. the US isn't attacking them. N Korea is a far more serious threat, they don't even deny having AND wanting to use nuclear weapons. Bush turns a blind eye to that, because N Korea doesn't have any oil.

 

[Little Ty]

World War II arose out of the humiliation and partition of Germany after World War I when Wilson decided to draft American boys as fresh cannon fodder for the putative social democracies--a purely arbitrary choice. And incidentally, our humiliation of a race known for nursing grudges will bear consequences as well.

The United States no more fought World War II to save the Jews from Hitler than Lincoln invaded the South to free the slaves. The U.S. declared war on Japan after the Empire pre-emptively bombed a naval base (sound familiar?). Germany, citing its treaty obligations to Japan, declared war on the U.S. Only then did the U.S. declare war on Germany.

I don't believe he was implying that the U.S. were trying to save the jews. What he was saying was the world let Hitler violate the World War I treaty until it was too late. He was not suppose to occupy Rhineland but he did any way. The French and the rest of the Euporean community said well it's his land he should be able to occupy it, it's not worth going to war over. Hitler himself said that if the French would have push the issue with force when he first entered Rhineland he would not have been able to put up "even moderate resistance". Slowly Hitler chipped away at the Treaty until it was obsolete. Later the Nazis were riding through Paris. Hitler owned it.

 

[Strong_Man20]

Iraq had from France:

- Exocet anti-ship missiles

- Mirage F-1 fighters

- Dassault Etandard fighters

- Gazelle choppers

- HOT anti-tank missiles

- Puma choppers

Understood bro, just wanted to acount the US and Britain....Who unlike France are now complaining about Sadam possesing WMD when they supplied Sadam in the 80's.

 

[manny78]

Understood bro, just wanted to acount the US and Britain....Who unlike France are now complaining about Sadam possesing WMD when they supplied Sadam in the 80's.

I see. The US is now upset by the monster they created. But honestly I doubt if he actually had any WMD they would be effective.

 

[Longhorn85]

I see. The US is now upset by the monster they created. But honestly I doubt if he actually had any WMD they would be effective.

The US giveth, and the US taketh away. Are you willing to take the chance that Iraq's use of WMD will be ineffective?

 

[manny78]

The US giveth, and the US taketh away. Are you willing to take the chance that Iraq's use of WMD will be ineffective?

Let's suppose Saddam still has them and could use them. Where could he send Scuds ? Israel ? Kuwait ? Saudi Arabia ? I doubt he could reach Canada/US. I'm a lot more worried about North Korea.

 

[hooch]

...reminds of the satellite photo's the US said it "had" at the end of the Gulf War that showed 250,000 Iraqi troops were massing at the Saudi border. A couple of years later, after some investigative reporting, it turned out this was a total lie.

...or how about the tales of Iraqi soldiers stealing incubators after taking the babies out. Turns out this "story" was conjured up by a US gov't hired PR firm...and that the witness to all this was the fucking daughter of the Kuwaitee ambassador to the US.


..If you don't believe do any internet search and you will find tons of Info...


.....So okay ....lets go roll over Iraq......the "my shit don't stink" US gov't once again has proof.....nevermind the economy will fucking tank...nevermind N Korea...Osama who???....forget that Israel violated twice as many UN resolutions as IRAQ.....forget that Condoleeza Rice, the National Security Advisor, once had an oil super tanker named after her.....its not about the oil in Iraq..... ....

I love the USA with all my heart...fuck Iraq and Saddam...but the BUSH admin is full of shit.....Don't kid yourself...Corporations run the show now....with the number of new oil reserve discoveries dropping every year...Iraq's 2nd largest in the world will be easy picken's once we are in....

 

[Little Ty]

Let's suppose Saddam still has them and could use them. Where could he send Scuds ? Israel ? Kuwait ? Saudi Arabia ? I doubt he could reach Canada/US. I'm a lot more worried about North Korea.

You mean he couldn't reach Canada, DAMN IT!


That was a joke Canada, well kinda. HAHAHOHO

 

[Little Ty]

...reminds of the satellite photo's the US said it "had" at the end of the Gulf War that showed 250,000 Iraqi troops were massing at the Saudi border. A couple of years later, after some investigative reporting, it turned out this was a total lie.

...or how about the tales of Iraqi soldiers stealing incubators after taking the babies out. Turns out this "story" was conjured up by a US gov't hired PR firm...and that the witness to all this was the fucking daughter of the Kuwaitee ambassador to the US.


..If you don't believe do any internet search and you will find tons of Info...


.....So okay ....lets go roll over Iraq......the "my shit don't stink" US gov't once again has proof.....nevermind the economy will fucking tank...nevermind N Korea...Osama who???....forget that Israel violated twice as many UN resolutions as IRAQ.....forget that Condoleeza Rice, the National Security Advisor, once had an oil super tanker named after her.....its not about the oil in Iraq..... ....

I love the USA with all my heart...fuck Iraq and Saddam...but the BUSH admin is full of shit.....Don't kid yourself...Corporations run the show now....with the number of new oil reserve discoveries dropping every year...Iraq's 2nd largest in the world will be easy picken's once we are in....

I love how liberals think that Republicans are the root of all evil. Newsflash, all polictians are fucked up. Democrats and Republicans.

None of these people give a fuck about you or me. Quit being so fucking loyal to them. You can believe Iraq over the U.S. thats your right but you are not gonna convince the right that Bush is lying to the country for oil. I'm sorry they will not believe you.

One note though, if we own Iraq's oil that would not fuck our economy would it? Also, what kind of message does that give to Saddam and the rest of the world if you ignore him now and go after N.Korea? After the six month war, they will deal with N. Korea. Do you think Korea might be doing this for money? Or are they just crazy eyed killahs?

 

[louden_swain]

The UN needs to take care of Iraq and North Korea!

Passiveness is not the answer as these countries are pussy footin' around manufacturing and hiding materials.

Both countries are in need of a new government. These people must be liberated!

The people of North Korea are starving! The government is withholding food supplies to ensure that the people will not become strong enough to resist the current government. Building weapons is certainly a possibility.

Iraq is certainly a problem. A dictator who kills and lies to his own people must be removed. Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.

Nations across the world need to pull their head out of their ass and realize the importantance international security.

 

[Spartacus]

The International Debate so far:

Blah blah yammer dither blah shuttle tragedy blah dither blah. Blah blah yammer blah. Dither blather blah blah Iraq blah blah more time for inspections blah dither yammer. Blather yammer blah! UN yammer international blah yammer dither yammer blather political solution blather yammer blah. Dither.

Lets get started!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Little Ty]

The problem with that Louden is the the U.N. is rendering itself completely useless when it comes to international conflict. The U.N. has turned into the Red Cross. The are much better at humanitarian aid than showing force. The U.N. keeps passing resolutions but doesn't make good on them. How many times has Saddam been in violation? Many can say Israel has been in violation for 3 decades. But the U.N. does nothing.

Try telling your child not to do something and they do it and you do nothing. Watch where that child ends up.

 

[bigguns7]

Here's a great link about the days events and their consequences if anyone is interested:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/05/news/opinion/courtwatch/main539500.shtml

 

[VicTusDeuS]

Beat Saddam to a pulp, take the oil reserves, sell oil for a profit and give a cut to North Korea...

We look like the heros, North Korea gets money, Saddam is disarmed and no longer a threat to anyone, everyone loves us.

 

[Longhorn85]

Corporations run the show now....with the number of new oil reserve discoveries dropping every year...Iraq's 2nd largest in the world will be easy picken's once we are in....

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about! What a plan! Makes me proud to be an American and a Republican!

 

[Lift Chief]

We have tried diplomacy with Saddam... he has not followed the rules that the UN set down for him from the very beginning. There is no other viable option now besides going in. He will not be led into exile, diplomacy has not and will not work... that leaves only 1 other option...

He has chemical and biological agents- it is not like nuclear weapons that will act as deterrents. If you are building and stockpiling these materials it is likely that you will use them at some point. It is a real threat that he will smuggle biological or chemical agents into the US and attack us in that manner. Something has to be done.

 

[hooch]

Trust me I'm not defending Liberals either......

But fuck it....looks like we are definately going to IRAQ...I hope its over quick....

 

[The Almighty]

Saddam doesnt have to have a "conventional" delivery system for his biological or chemical weapons.

If we wanted to attack the U.S. or Canada, all he has to do is hire a loyal follower, inject him with smallpox, and put him on a plane headed towards New York.

 

[chesty]

Freak monster, While your witicism is less than flattering to yourself,

We didn't enter WWII to save the Jews and I never said we did. Yes, the Treaty of Versailles and not Wilson was the culprit for the Germans state of affairs, but they brought it on themselves when the started WWI (yes, I know about the assasination of the Duke) Europe was floundering and in the midst of losing the war when we finally had had enough of German crap with the shippng lines and more and came in, whooped and won the war in a littler over a year.

WWII started with the expansionism of Hitler and the subsequent denial of this by the rest of the world. England was our allie, and we supported them.

I never agreed with nor supported the Blitzkrieg, it is a matter of fact that Hitler violently invaded Poland (smoking gun for you neophites) and then Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and well, the rest is history.

As for the female gender yeah, I called liberals pussies and I will do it again, Pussies! Weak minded, fools, waste of human flesh, etc.

As for fighting the war, don't even attempt to assume how I will participate in this war. My unit is already gone, and will be for at least two years or more. I have served my time on more than one occasion including Desert Storm, so don't even talk to me about that shit!

And of course you would quote Russell Crow. So what is it you do that is going to echo in eternity?

 

[chesty]

Oh yeah, as for wmd, VX can kill thousands upon thousands in a matter of days. So, yeah pin head, I would call that a wmd. And all that protective gear won't do shit after 24 hours, because that is all it is good for before you have to change filters and mop suit.

And yup, it sure is an area denial weapon, but only for a brief period of time. But not like a nuke.

As for bio weapons, ever seen ebola or other forms? Anthrax, well let''s just say that in the field by the time you find out, your already dead. How about Ricin? No known cure, we don't have cures for a lot of that stuff.

What about small pox. If you are not in the military you are not going to be vaccinated, and by the time you find out you got your dead or disfigured for life.

 

[chesty]

Also, we should worry about Korea? But why? What does that peninsula offer? Good farming? Cars? Industry? He may have a nuke or two, but given the level of technology and such, they try anything at that part of the world will be a lighthouse for about a thousand years.

As for the war in Iraq being quick. I don't know, it could go either way, but I am banking on being conservative and it lasting a while.

 

[Optimus B]

You mean he couldn't reach Canada, DAMN IT!


That was a joke Canada, well kinda. HAHAHOHO

HEY!!! we supply a shitload of your power not to mention timber, making us your #1 trade partner. now, if they wanted to nuke the raelians, i would see no problem.

love,
your neighbor, (as homer simpson calls us) america jr.

 

[Big Johnson]

If we do it right it should last a while.

 

[JohnyJuice]

Yup, the US doesn't care about WMP. They want a regime change in Iraq under any circumstances, which is illegal under international law. WTF does Iraq have to do with the US. Answer : Absolutely nothing, except that the US gets a lot of oil from Iraq.

Even IF Iraq has WMP (which have not been found), the only mass destroying Iraq would be able to do is to their neighbouring countries.

Even IF terrorists are operating out of Iraq, does that imply Iraq is somehow involved? There were plenty of terrorist cells in Germany, Italy, France, Canada, etc.. the US isn't attacking them. N Korea is a far more serious threat, they don't even deny having AND wanting to use nuclear weapons. Bush turns a blind eye to that, because N Korea doesn't have any oil.

I can see you ride the short bus with tinted windows, so i will help you out a little bit. We do not get alot of oil from Iraq. We never have. I believe the most we ever did was something to the effect of 5%. We want a regime change because the sactions we imposed were meant to starve his weapons programs and military. Instead he just lets his people starve to death, and keeps his war machine going. Your argument about terrorists organizations operationing in countries such as spain and italy is retarded. Yes, cells may exist in these countries, but these countries sure as hell dont want them there. They are activly wiping them out. Iraq is not. It is likely that iraq is supplying weapons and training to these people. It is also a fact that Saddam gives money to the families of suicide bombers. I dont remember the president of Italy doing that.
And as far as your stupid ass comment on N. Korea... god damn you are dense. Let me ask you, do you think there is a reason we are dealing with iraq first, the N. Korea? I will help you out again. 1 of them is already nuclear. The other is attempting to go nuclear. So should we take on the nuclear power first (n. korea), and in the mean time Iraq gets to nuclear status. Then we take on Iraq, which has had time to build its arsenal and go nuclear. End result = fighting 2 nuclear powers.
Or we do option 2. Take on the non nuclear first, before they get there. Establish position closer to N. Korea, on a different front. Then take on Nuclear power. conclusion from 2nd method = fight one jerk off non nuclear power, then 1 nuclear power.

I think the second option makes more sense. And what makes you think we are turning a blind eye to N. Korea? We just sent bombers to position themselves closer. N.Korea is going to gewt dealt with, you wait and see. Remember Iraq's nuclear plant, and what happened to it.....

 

[vinylgroover]

Dont forget america and britain too. And were did you get half from?? US was the main supplier of WMD to sadam in the 80's, despite his behaviour towards his people. However the US has just maracuiosly discovered that Sadam needs removing now??MMMM

This argument for war is beyond a joke, considering Israel has defined more UN reseloutions than Iraq in regards to the Palestinians, invaded 5 of its neighbours therefore creating more instability in the ME......

NKorea has just reactivated its nuculer facilities and unlike Iraq there is clear proof that they have WMD.

The double standards with other countries prove without a doubt that Americas real motive is not what they say it is.
Because if it was to rid the world of WMD the first stop they would have to make in order to bomb would be the white house for supplying him with most of the weapons in the first place.

Well said.

While i have no time for Saddam and his regime, the US has to show it's acting without prejudice and come down hard on North Korea, Iran, Sudan etc etc.

It destroys any credible argument the Bush administration has for attacking Iraq when they turn a blind eye to defiance from other countries.

 

[The Almighty]

While i have no time for Saddam and his regime, the US has to show it's acting without prejudice and come down hard on North Korea, Iran, Sudan etc etc.

Add Saudi Arabia to that list and Ill agree 100%

 

[chesty]

The whole middle east!

 

[JohnyJuice]

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