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Clomid or Nolvadex
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needtogetaas
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nether I would go with dermacrin sustain
http://www.primordialperformance.com/derm_sust_intro.cfm
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getbig1234
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He is right less sides less money and you will feel like you are 21 again with no crash effect.needtogetaas said:
joedogg said:
Why? Both can backfire and postpone recovery. Nolvaa is just for gyno. If you don't have it, why use it?
This is one of those debates that will continue to rage for a long time. However, those who've been using thel UNLEASHED, Derma, POST-CYCLE MyogenX PC T are experiencing excellent results with no crash or nasty side effects. I have no problem with using drugs when drugs are needed but it makes no sense to use them when something else is safer and more effective.
Nelson Montana said:
Not planing on using both just one or the other. I thought Nolva was very effective for raising natural test levels after cycle, not just for gyno, is this correct? In fact i I think i read an article that it was just as effective as clomid but at lower doses with less sides. Any one read the article and or agree with this from experience?
nemesis 2027
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xrsist said:
Hey xrsist, why did it make you go crazy? Symptoms wise I mean.
I have almost without fail had sides (sometimes even odd sides) with almost anything I've ever taken, prescrip, otc, and gear. But I have not (so far) had any issues with N.olv, and it actually seemed to work for me. I'm currently on cl.omid, and I notice some 'weird' feelings, but no crash so-to-speak as of yet.
Swtrue
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I prefer clomid and HCG. Nolva made me crash as bad as Deca. If I am choosing one over the other it is clomid. I have read others on here that don't like or use nolva. This was a debate about a year ago between 2 mods. If you have the search you might beable to dig it up. Mr. X was one.
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nemesis 2027 said:
hey mate, i have no idea why it made me go crazy but it did, the main thing was i got very agitated with almost everything, even the most stupidist of things, i wanted to commit murder several times and i had trouble sleeping. now swap that with clomid and everything is sweet..
nemesis 2027
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xrsist said:
Wow, that's quite a reaction. Just goes to show how these chemicals affect all of us differently.. I'm glad as hell you didn't kill anyone, but then again I feel like that without any stuff in me.. lol
With my sometimes crazy reactions I'd have expected the same, but I guess these chems agree with me 'so far'.
What's the "crash" or "delayed recovery" I've read here and seen before. Makes me a little nervous as I've only used C.lomid and N.olv so far.
xrsist said:
Now you see, I had a similar reaction with clomid!
Remember, these compounds ARE ESTROGENS. And as anyone who has ever known a women will attest, that shit can make you wacky.
Don't like em, don't like em at all.
Dexx, proviron, natty supps. Better. Much better.
needtogetaas
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same here.Nelson Montana said:
nemesis 2027
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What's wierd is I'm quite sure I have more estrogen that the average guy. I should confirm that with a blood test, but it's like you just feel it. I am typically moody, lower natural t.est level, overly sensitive, and love dark chocolate..
While purely subjective, it would also seem to support my most recent findings that even small doses of d.bol is like poison to me, (although running with n.olv helped) and why c.lomid and n.olv alone have been working for me better than others?
I have two weeks left on c.lomid, at which point I'll go in for blood work for my test levels. That will hopefully let me know how it did or did not work for me.
While purely subjective, it would also seem to support my most recent findings that even small doses of d.bol is like poison to me, (although running with n.olv helped) and why c.lomid and n.olv alone have been working for me better than others?
I have two weeks left on c.lomid, at which point I'll go in for blood work for my test levels. That will hopefully let me know how it did or did not work for me.
nemesis 2027 said:
Clo and nov tend to work BETTER with guys with HIGH e. Reason being, they take up estrogen receptor sites preventing the excess estrones from "docking." The problem is, if e is just slightly elevated, the clomid will just ADD MORE estrogen, making you a suicidal eunich. It just makes more sense to block and/or remove the e in the first place.
needtogetarmy
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Swtrue said:
I am a clomid HCG many myself.
Just the other day I read a report where two docs administered 100mg of clomid to a gear user for 2 months and his test levels returned to above normal. I have read the same regarding HCG.
I have yet to read anything about the other substances. I wouldn't risk my health using a drug that is not clinically proven to work.
nemesis 2027
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Nelson Montana said:
Ah, so this does add a little validity to my claims of how things are working for me. Well, like I mentioned my moodiness and off and on depression, just add to my laundry list of (percieved) proof I'm carrying excess estrogen. On the suicidal concerns, I am semi-protected with mental health meds, but I don't know how they'll react in the long run.. So far so good. Thanks for the info.
The Old Vet said:
This is the kind of info I seriously must question. ABOVE normal? How long did it stay there? What were levels after stopping the clomid? If you use NOTHING your T may return to normal after 2 months. Theres always a lot of ambiguity cincerning these findings.
nemesis 2027
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Nelson Montana said:
That's why I am honestly going to have my blood work done after the c.lomid to see where my natural test level is. I did it before and 'during' N.olv, but during I also had d.bol in the mix.
How long should I wait after the c.lomid p.c.t. to have my test level checked?
captainahole
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It's interesting how many times I have read the debate about clomid. hcg and novadex.
Many have opinions but when to use after a cycle or at the end of a cycle and which seems to work the best and what type of doses for how long.
You could spend days reading the stickies around the site and still not get a complete answer except look for the stickies.
Every time I look for a topic answer it seems to be a never ending circle.
Many have opinions but when to use after a cycle or at the end of a cycle and which seems to work the best and what type of doses for how long.
You could spend days reading the stickies around the site and still not get a complete answer except look for the stickies.
Every time I look for a topic answer it seems to be a never ending circle.
rfowler
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personally clomid makes the boys plumper for me, I keep hcg on hand but couldnt tell you whether it did anything or not. Recovery is the golden question. I have the problem of recovering physically but mentally I still feel shut down because my natural test levels before gear was in the low 200's and im in my late 20's. So when im not on mentally I cant stay motivated. I guess what im saying is how much of recovery is physical and how much is mental? Damn im tired I bet this rant makes no fucking sense.
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