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Clomid: Frequently Asked Questions

The Iron Game

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Clomid: Frequently Asked Questions

Something I put together that may help some of the new comers out there as well as some of the more experienced.

Question: What is Clomid?

Answer: Clomid is a synthetic estrogen and is generally prescribed by doctors to trigger ovulation in females.

Question: Why Should Bodybuilders use Clomid?

Answer: Almost all anabolic androgenic steroids will cause an inhibition of the bodies own testosterone production. When he comes off the steroids he has no natural test production and no more steroids. The body is left in a state of catabolism (catabolic hormones are high and anabolic hormones are low) and as a result much of the muscle tissue that was gained on the cycle is now going to be lost. Clomid stimulates the hypophysis to release more gonadotropin so that a faster and higher release of follicle stimulating hormone aud luteinizing hormone occurs. This results in an increase of the body's own testosterone production.

Question: Does Clomid also work as an anti estrogen?

Answer: Clomid is a synthetic estrogen, however it does also work as an anti-estrogen. How does it work? Because it is a weak synthetic estrogen, it will bind to the estrogen receptor (ER) and not cause any problems. At the same time the increase in estrogen from steroids are blocked from attaching to the ER.

Question: How effective is Clomid as an anti-estrogen?

Answer: It is very weak and should not be relied upon if you are going to be using steroids that aromatise at any rapid rate, or if you are pre disposed to gyno. Arimidex, Proviron and Nolvadex will all make better choices for this purpose.

Question: Some say Clomid during a cycle is a waste, is this true?

Answer: Lets first examine what happens when someone is using anabaolic androgenic steroids. When the level of androgens in the body get too high, the androgen receptor becomes more highly activated, and the hypothalamus stops sending a signal to the pituitary. In short the signal tells our body to stop producing testosterone. During a cycle the body has higher levels than normal of androgens and as long as this level is high enough clomid will not help to keep natural test production up. It will be almost all but completely shut off. The only purpose of clomid during a cycle is as an anti-estrogen.

Question: When do I start Clomid? Some say 2 weeks others 3.

Answer: When you start using your clomid all depends on what steroids you were using during your cycle. Different steroids have different half lifes and you should adjust your clomid intake accordingly. As we have seen above, if we take clomid when the androgen levels in our body is still high it will be a waste. We need to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing our clomid therapy. However if we take it too late we could possibly lose gains. Look at the list below to determine when you should start clomid therapy. By selecting from the list all the steroids you used in your cycle and which ever one has the latest starting point then go with that. For example if I cycled dbol, sustanon and winstrol I would use sustanon as it remains active in the body for the longest period of time.

Anadrol/Anapolan: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Deca: 3 weeks after last injection and clomid for 4 weeks
Dianabol: 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Equipoise: 3 weeks after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 10 – 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 3 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension: 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Winstrol: 8 – 12 hours after last administration

Question: What is the most effective way for Clomid therapy.

Answer: Clomid has a long half life and as such there is no need to split up doses throughout the day. I read some where that it was 5 days (any feedback on this). Now if we used sustanon and we start using clomid 3 weeks after our last injection we anticipate that androgen levels are low enough to start sending the correct signals. If androgen levels are still a little high then the normal 50mgs/day of clomid for 1 week is not going to be effective. We need to start at a high enough amount that will work or help even if androgen levels are still a little high. 300mgs on day 1. I know I said don’t split it up due to its long half life but try and split this up 2 tabs 3 times a day. After we have finished this first day we seek to use 100mgs for 10 days and then followed by 50mgs for 10 days.

Question: Do I need to use Clomid for 3 weeks?

Answer: Why don’t you want too? It is very cheap, very effective and can mean the difference between maintaining gains and losing them.

Question: How cheap is Clomid?

Answer: Clomid normally comes in 50mg tablets but also comes in capsule form of 25mgs. A 50mg tablet can be anywhere between 25 cents and $2.50. (15 pence and 75 pence in England).

Question: Do all steroids cause shut down of the hpta.

Answer: Not all steroids do. Everyone is different and you must also take into account how long you have been using a certain steroid and at what dose in order to determine if you need clomid or not. However as the price is so cheap, why risk not using it.

Peace

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Excellent post, I think clomid is one of the most misunderstood drugs, this is a must read for newbies.
Thanx for the info.
 
good post mate,

but I must admit clomid can make you damn depressed at the worst time when you need to be motivated!! im feeling down already and I think its from the clomid, or it could be from low test levels. I cant wait till I start my cycle!!
 
100 mgs for 10 days the 50mgs for 10 days?

Never heard that dosing schedule before. I am more familiar with 100 mg ED for 1 week, then 50 mg ED for a week, then 50 mg EOD for the next week.
 
Riker29 said:
100 mgs for 10 days the 50mgs for 10 days?

Never heard that dosing schedule before. I am more familiar with 100 mg ED for 1 week, then 50 mg ED for a week, then 50 mg EOD for the next week.

Nope,

300mgs for day one, then
100mgs/ day for 10 days, then
50mgs/ day for 10 days

and now you have :p
 
Nice info there bro, Have saved it myself, I think some of my gym bro's should read that. Personnally I dont use it for so long at the end of a cycle but, hey it works for everyone slightly different.:mix:
 
Yes IG, I know that you are confirming your own message ....

has anyone else seen a dosing schedule like that? I haven't.
 
Riker, I fail to see your point. I have explained why it is better to start higher and work your way down. Towards the end of your cycle androgen levels will still be fairly high. Clomid at smaller amounts will not be as productive. Clomid at doses will not cause sides any more noticeable than the outdated dosing method. As I said the cost for me anyways is approx $10/24 tabs, so for $20 I get 48 tabs which is more than enough to follow this method.

PS if ya want some more evidence on this method do a search. Huck, Lawnsaver and some very old members who no longer post here have all recognised it.

Peace
 
Relax IG.

My point was that I have seen reference to this schedule:

300 mg first day
100 mg/day for balance of week 1
50 mg per day for the next week.
50 mg EOD for the next week

Far far far far more than I have seen reference to what YOU suggested, which was,

300 mg first day
100 mg/day for 10 days
50 mg per day for 10 days

I was simply wondering - what basis is there for such a schedule?
 
Great Thread

I was getting ready ask that very question I have 24 clomid and was wondering if that was enough but now I know I will need about 24 more! Thanks again.
 
IG you certainly are an asset to this board and i thank you for more great information.

If a position for a MOD became available i would like to think you would take up the challenge as you certainly are a help to all of us.

Good luck mate
 
Great post IG

now if everyone with questions on Clomid, would save this to disk.
The first one asking about Clomid should get the URL as an answer.
 
Great post! But i have one question. What if i did a cycle of EQ and the Fina. And ended on the same day for both steriods. How long do i wait to start the clomid? 17 -21 days or 3 days?
 
Riker - one reason uv seen that particular schedule is that it is Mustang_18's preferred method and he is a machine at helping out all the bros with their cycles. One falacy I think that is very common is that all clomid therapy should be the same - I certainly thinkthat after a heavy cycle or deca it should be different and in some cases HCG is probable neccessary. The one thing that I think has been proven by imperical evidence is that a loading dose (250-350mg) is required, much like creatine, in order to get it working right away.

Irongames' schedule is a bit different and Its hard to say which one is better - but IGs may be required for a heavier cycle - tho I would add one more week @ 50mg EOD
 
I use the schedule IG posted almost to a T.

But I carry the 100 mgs/ day for 2 full weeks.
And the same with the 50 mgs/day.

But I use high doses of EQ and d-bol for long periods of time, so I want to make sure everything is back on.

It works well. I've never lost a single pound after a cycle.
 
IG - if you dont mind making the Q@A getting a little crisper - Id like to put that on my cycle site. full attributes of course
 
NJbigtime said:
Great post! But i have one question. What if i did a cycle of EQ and the Fina. And ended on the same day for both steriods. How long do i wait to start the clomid? 17 -21 days or 3 days?

NJbigtime, if you stop two steroids simultaneously then start the clomid at the time stated for the longer acting one. In this case the eq.

CYCLEON, Give me a few days and it should be done.

Peace
 
IG,

Excellent Post! It's rare that you get these pearls of wisdom in the posts. I've been wanting to put together a chart like this of when to start clomid with various steroids. Thanks again!

Bump
 
The Iron Game said:


Nope,

300mgs for day one, then
100mgs/ day for 10 days, then
50mgs/ day for 10 days

and now you have :p

I usually use it at 50mg a day for 30-40 days after... That seems to have worked great for me. What is the rationale to the dosing schedule you suggest?
 
Great post bro! Answered alot of questions I had about clomid as a newbie. We could use more posts like this one. :fro:

Keep up the great job IG.
 
great post, I've been wanting an explaination like that for about a year now. Everyone had so many different ways of taking it, but no reasons why. Thanks
 
The_Eviscerator said:


I usually use it at 50mg a day for 30-40 days after... That seems to have worked great for me. What is the rationale to the dosing schedule you suggest?

If for example you were using sustanon and started at 50mgs/day, if androgen levels where still slightly elevated this 50mgs may not have any effect. Now by starting with 300mgs and assuming androgen levels where only slightly elevated this would have some effect. It is a fiercer approach to returning the hpt axis to normal state. I would rather do 21 days and have my cycle ended rather than 40 days later after my last injection I am still pumping my body with some kind of medicine.

Peace
 
There should be a page where all these great informative posts could be placed.......

It might alleviate some of the more frequent questions

Very nice, Game...ala bump-a-roony
 
Great post, but I have a question: Will extending post cycle clomid therapy have any positive/negative affect? Say someone were to maintain a dosage of 50-100mg between cycles, or even year round? Thanks.
 
REPETITIVE ACTIONS ARE NO PROBLEM FOR A GOOD ROBOT. bump

THE PROTOTYPE2000 INQUIRY NAME YOUR MAKE AND MODEL?
 
yeah it is a good post. it pisses me off to see posts like this drop in place of stuff like AMAF's retarded crap..good work iron
 
It is not known to be faked but this isnt to say your source cannot put some aspirin in a loose bag and pass them on as clomid.

Just put one of them on your tongue for 5 seconds and you will know if its clomid or not :p
 
badgermilk said:
IG.....I have not had them yet....what should I expect when put on my tongue for 5 seconds?

You can expect very bad things, it tastes like nothing else I have ever tasted, not even close to liquidex ;)

you will really need to drink a lot after you place it on your tongue as it is really discusting. Does it not come in it original package?
 
I have not received them yet! they should be here tomorrow or Friday.....I guess I have no choice but to put one on my tongue to test it........Yikes...

Thanks IG...
 
I just wanted to thank you for the info in this post. I came to this board in search of answers about stacking with dbol, thanks a bunch! The info is greatly appreciated.
 
Figured it might be time for a bump for us newbies. save it on ur hard drive, it's priceless :D
 
Bumparoo. This thread needs to be around, these same questions happen 3-4 times a day.
 
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