clen & heart

[krishna]

What doses do you recommend for ALCAR, potassium, and taurine while cycling clen?

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[macrophage69alpha]

2-4grams alcar/day- higher may be used though some may find that hard on the stomach.

K+ (gluconate as one of the forms- now nutrition)- up to 2 grams (though dose should be dependant on your dietary intake of K+ and NA

taurine 3-5 grams/day though higher may be used

 

[macrophage69alpha]

did that cover it?

 

[krishna]

did that cover it?

Ya thanks bro....bump

 

[macrophage69alpha]

 

[BrothaBill]

lol, I have never heard of using clen in LV assist devices and its my field. Anyways, I wouldnt use clen b/c it doesnt work worth a darn.
I have never heard of clen induced or suspected LV damage in any of my journals or cardiac books. I guess there's always a first for everything. Ive seen thousands of heart failure patients though who got that way from not taking care of their high blood pressure. Id be more worried about that as that is probably affecting more of the people here as well as the heart failure process of left ventricular hypertrophy in the congestive heart failure progression. First LVH, then LV dilation.
Skip clen though IMO but also keep track of the bp

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I have never heard of clen induced or suspected LV damage in any of my journals or cardiac books. I guess there's always a first for everything.

thats not surprising, its not approved for human use in most countries. And use for asthma is at lower doses than use for fat loss. Would venture to guess that its underreported case studywise at least partly because BP issues are also at play in most AAS users- also if not aware of the link neither doctor nor patient might not reveal or query it. Though agree its understudied. Just putting the information out there so that informed choices can be made as well as risk ameliorating steps taken.

 

[BrothaBill]

thats not surprising, its not approved for human use in most countries. And use for asthma is at lower doses than use for fat loss. Would venture to guess that its underreported case studywise at least partly because BP issues are also at play in most AAS users- also if not aware of the link neither doctor nor patient might not reveal or query it. Though agree its understudied. Just putting the information out there so that informed choices can be made as well as risk ameliorating steps taken.

Yeah I tended to just agree with your opinions that not enough information on it. Just I was surprised to see that it had been studied for the LVADs. I used clenbuterol about a dozen years ago and except for some jittery hands I noticed no effects. I havent read into it years, just surprised. I have seen cardiomyopathies from many different chemicals suspected, lots of idiopathic cardiomyopathies (no cause). I mean anything can cause those things, viruses, solvents.
Who knows, I guess with the studies and the fact that I dont think its worth the effort to use it reinforces that people should just not use it. I mean I got it for pennies in Encinada back when it was easy to have a girl drive a car across the border with a dufflebag under the seat and get waived through. But I think there has got to be better stuff out there on the market that stuff from experience and people who used it years ago. I actually thought clen was pretty much debunked as a fat loss agent b/c of it loses its effectiveness so fast.
Strange stuff. The best fat loss drug that I have tried is dextromethorphan but it makes you think God is talking to you so I recommend against using that lolol

 

[ortiz34]

4th day on Clen and down 4lbs. Not sure if the risks and sides are worth it though.

 

[BrothaBill]

4th day on Clen and down 4lbs. Not sure if the risks and sides are worth it though.

Took a four pound dump eh?