CLEN- better vs Estrogen fat or Cortisol fat

[geoboy]

Cortisol fat typically center belly, estrogen at love handles, lower back (chime in if disagree).

does clen target one preferentially over the other?

 

[P-DOG]

to be honest i have never heard of any answer to this as far as scientific studies go. perhaps we can get some vets to chime in with some anecdotal reports. it would be interesting discussion for sure.

 

[ripper2]

never heard anyone mention "cortisol fat"

 

[Gel]

Bump for more info on Cortisol fat - It would explain why Var took it away from my abs..............

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I can answer this one. There is no such thing as cortisol fat. In fact elevated cortisol levels seem to slightly increase the release of fatty acids from adipose tissue, although it also causes a release of amino acids from muscle tissue for fuel.

 

[drveejay11]

Goeboy: http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=238045&highlight=A2+receptors

 

[buckwheat1]

Yes Cortisol can increase fatty acid release but I think long term chronic Cortisol levels increase abdominial fat. Go to a search engine and put in "Cortisol Fat" and he will find a lot hits.

Also look up Cushings Disease which is when the body produces excess cortisol. It will mention large abdominial fat.

From experience I went through about a 6 month period where I put some intense hours in a my work. During this time I started taking Adderall for ADD. Adderall killed my appetite and I thought that one of the side-affects would be that I would drop a few pounds. But because of the sleep depreviation and the stress that I endured over this six month period, I ended up gaining about 15 pounds and losing significant muscle.

 

[drveejay11]

Yes Cortisol can increase fatty acid release but I think long term chronic Cortisol levels increase abdominial fat. Go to a search engine and put in "Cortisol Fat" and he will find a lot hits.

Also look up Cushings Disease which is when the body produces excess cortisol. It will mention large abdominial fat.

From experience I went through about a 6 month period where I put some intense hours in a my work. During this time I started taking Adderall for ADD. Adderall killed my appetite and I thought that one of the side-affects would be that I would drop a few pounds. But because of the sleep depreviation and the stress that I endured over this six month period, I ended up gaining about 15 pounds and losing significant muscle.

Nice post

 

[buckwheat1]

Here is a blurb I found that suggest that there is a link between high cortisol and high insulin abdominal fat storage.


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Cortisol, a hormone released when you experience stress, has long been known to increase whole body fat mobilization. This makes cortisol sound like an ally in losing fat. However, chronically stressed people carry more weight-especially the dangerous abdominal fat. So what gives?

The cortisol story is not simple. While cortisol alone may contribute to fat loss, it has the opposite effect when combined with insulin. In fact, one researcher labels cortisol and insulin the "lipid accumulating hormone couple." When both hormones are present at the same time, the body seems to shuttle fat to the abdominal fat cells.

The practical question is, "How do I prevent simultaneous cortisol and insulin secretion?" Remember, insulin is secreted after the consumption of carbohydrates, such as sugars and starches. More importantly, insulin levels rise higher after eating certain carbs such as sugar, white rice, and low-fiber breads. Insulin levels don't get as high after eating whole grain carbs, such as whole-wheat bread, oatmeal, and high-fiber cereals. Additionally, vegetables, fish, and lean meats help keep insulin low.

The body secretes cortisol during stressful situations. A recent study showed an appreciable increase when people were asked to complete a timed arithmetic test. If such a simple laboratory experiment raised cortisol, imagine all the common, day-to-day events that cause you to secrete cortisol. Obviously, you cannot avoid all stress in your life. However, you can control your insulin by avoiding carbohydrates-especially refined carbs and sugars-when stressed. By doing so, you can prevent the dangerous fat-promoting cortisol and insulin combination.

Here's another interesting finding: Caffeine directly raises blood cortisol. Therefore, regardless of your stress, combining caffeine and carbohydrates may promote abdominal fat accumulation. The caffeine/cortisol link suggests that you avoid having caffeine with any form of carbohydrate, so skip that bagel with your morning coffee. Keep in mind, cortisol elevates for 2-3 hours after consuming hefty doses of caffeine, such as three cups of coffee.

 

[test-monkey]

Here is a blurb I found that suggest that there is a link between high cortisol and high insulin abdominal fat storage.


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Cortisol, a hormone released when you experience stress, has long been known to increase whole body fat mobilization. This makes cortisol sound like an ally in losing fat. However, chronically stressed people carry more weight-especially the dangerous abdominal fat. So what gives?

The cortisol story is not simple. While cortisol alone may contribute to fat loss, it has the opposite effect when combined with insulin. In fact, one researcher labels cortisol and insulin the "lipid accumulating hormone couple." When both hormones are present at the same time, the body seems to shuttle fat to the abdominal fat cells.

The practical question is, "How do I prevent simultaneous cortisol and insulin secretion?" Remember, insulin is secreted after the consumption of carbohydrates, such as sugars and starches. More importantly, insulin levels rise higher after eating certain carbs such as sugar, white rice, and low-fiber breads. Insulin levels don't get as high after eating whole grain carbs, such as whole-wheat bread, oatmeal, and high-fiber cereals. Additionally, vegetables, fish, and lean meats help keep insulin low.

The body secretes cortisol during stressful situations. A recent study showed an appreciable increase when people were asked to complete a timed arithmetic test. If such a simple laboratory experiment raised cortisol, imagine all the common, day-to-day events that cause you to secrete cortisol. Obviously, you cannot avoid all stress in your life. However, you can control your insulin by avoiding carbohydrates-especially refined carbs and sugars-when stressed. By doing so, you can prevent the dangerous fat-promoting cortisol and insulin combination.

Here's another interesting finding: Caffeine directly raises blood cortisol. Therefore, regardless of your stress, combining caffeine and carbohydrates may promote abdominal fat accumulation. The caffeine/cortisol link suggests that you avoid having caffeine with any form of carbohydrate, so skip that bagel with your morning coffee. Keep in mind, cortisol elevates for 2-3 hours after consuming hefty doses of caffeine, such as three cups of coffee.

ok, so what i'm getting here is that the combo of insulin and cortisol will make you fat so when it's post work-out time and your cortisol levles are sky high it's time to take in simple sugars and carbs to fight cortisol and refule your muscle right? so now this is saying that it will make you fat? I thought insulin spike (at the right moment such as post work-out) is anti-catabolic?