Circumcision vs Non circumcision?

[InquisitivePsyche]

So it was a complete non-issue then? One wonders why you bothered to bring it up then? Your previous post seemed to imply that you encountered issues.

Somehow mankind managed to survive for millions of years living in caves and in the rain forest and in the savannah with foreskins, without any special attention.

At birth the foreskin is adhered to the glans kind of like the way your fingernails adhere to the skin of your fingertips. It doesn't retract, and forcing retraction would be painful. At this stage of development, no maintenance is required. By the time it becomes retractable (and this varies from child to child), the boy will be potty trained and will be cleaning himself. And of course boys have curious hands and the penis is conveniently located right at arm's length.

You know as well as I that MANY children have issues with hygeine and don't always clean themselves. This is one reason why I believe (from what I've read) that circumcision is benefitial because bacterial infections are much more common with children who are non circumsized than children who are. Also, I was bringing up the previous post because of what I noticed and therefore then what I had asked and what I was told (about circumcision/non circumcision).

And mankind has survived for millions of years without treatment for disease, infections, etc. What is the point? Many thought that circumcision was benefitial and to this day many still believe it and many favor it. Either way, who cares? It's what is preferred. I for one, will have my child circumsized.

 

[Oceano]

In the UK, very few people are circumcized here so to think its disgusting visually appears to be a product of US culture.

Indeed, circumcized people are the subject of condescension and anti-semitic abuse (even if they're not jews, lol).

As for me, I'm not telling you!

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

I bet the majority of AIDS victims in the US are circumcised.

Actually, from what I just looked up it says that being circumsized reduces the chance of retracting HIV. There are some studies that have been done. I'm not saying they are right, but that's what they claim. I'm also sure that are many studies that probably say this is wrong.

 

[Oceano]

At Spurs (a Jewish soccer club) home games, thousands of opposition fans chant

"I've got a foreskin, how 'bout you?" amongst other things.

So I guess that shows you the norm in the UK.

 

[youngguns]

You know as well as I that MANY children have issues with hygeine and don't always clean themselves. This is one reason why I believe (from what I've read) that circumcision is benefitial because bacterial infections are much more common with children who are non circumsized than children who are. Also, I was bringing up the previous post because of what I noticed and therefore then what I had asked and what I was told (about circumcision/non circumcision).

And mankind has survived for millions of years without treatment for disease, infections, etc. What is the point? Many thought that circumcision was benefitial and to this day many still believe it and many favor it. Either way, who cares? It's what is preferred. I for one, will have my child circumsized.

DONT TOUCH THAT BABY!

 

[Oceano]

DONT TOUCH THAT BABY!

I agree. Why don't you give the little human a choice?

 

[5150guy]

My perspective on this is a bit different. I was not circumcised as a baby. I had it done at the age of 26.

I can tell you one thing-having your foreskin cut off hurts a great deal!!!!! When you are cut as an adult, you can really empathise with the genital mutilation argument against circumcision. There are a great deal of nerves in that small piece of skin, and having experienced both conditions as and adult, I can say that I lost sensitivity. However, at the same time the skin could sheild the glans from direct stimilation and contact so that you could last longer.

When you get circumcised as an adult, you are going to be out of action for a while and nocturnal erections are painfull!!!!

Now to the topic of female circumcision. It is a missuse of the term "female circumcision" to say that female circumcision is anything other than removing the clitoral hood so that it is more exposed. The clitoral hood is the direct coresponding anatomical structure to the male foreskin.

"Surgical" removal of the clitoris would be a clitorectomy. However, as Heather Rae pointed out, the bizzare, brutal, oppresive and ritual cutting and disfiguring the female vulva is female genital mutilation.

Many women do not know this and many do not want to admit this but smegma is formed and retained under the clitoral hood and other areas of the vulva . So if a woman is not diligent with her personal hygeine it is very possible that you might see some small cottage chese like particles up in there and coming out of those locations.

Smegma, a transliteration of the Greek word ?????? for soap, is a combination of exfoliated (shed) epithelial cells, transudated skin oils, moisture, and bacteria that can accumulate under the foreskin of males and within the vulva of females. It has a characteristic strong odor and taste. Smegma is common to all mammals, male and female

If woman does not clean that area, it will look just like a dirty penis but on a smaller scale. This is gynocology 101 and a good medical text will confrim this to be the case. So to avoid various infections, women too have to use a consistent comprehensive hygeine routine, from an early age. As should uncircumcised boys. Cleaning around the clitoris and cleaning around the glans are very similar activites.

I had a woman tell me that she would not have sex with an uncut man, and I thought she was rather shallow. She cited hygeine issues and what society has told her. I thought to myslef to be fair - i should get to see you open up your vag and swab it down with a wet wipe so that I know that you are clean down there too before deciding to have sex. However, I did not say anything as she would have just got pist and defensive.

The point that is being overlooked is that both genders need to practice good hygeine or else they can transmit bacteria, yeast infections, HPV and retain smegma, and it is reasonable to expect your partner what ever the gender to keep their equipment reasonably clean before they expect sex.

 

[Oceano]

I had a woman tell me that she would not have sex with an uncut man(me), and I thought she was rather shallow. She cited hygeine issues and what society has told her. I thought to myslef to be fair - i should get to see you open up your vag and swab it down so that I know that she was clean down there too before deciding to have sex with her. However, I did not say anything as she would have just got pist and defensive.

Really good post. That same woman would've been celibate in the UK lol. Altho, I suspect perhaps, that she just didn't want to have sex with you.

What is your position on circumcision of a child?

 

[youngguns]

Good thing there are people on my side who can speak clearer with more facts than I. Thank you.

 

[Mikus]

So if his dad lost a limb in the war, how weird would it be for a little boy to grow up with four intact limbs?

Having been the little boy whose peepee was different, it's no big deal. It's no weirder than when dad has hairy things between his legs and sonny doesn't. Or if dad has black hair and brown eyes and sonny has brown hair and blue eyes. Adults and children are different.

People will go to such great lengths to rationalize this stupid barbaric ritual.

Kinda the same situation with the people who go to great lengths to rationalize keeping the foreskin? it almost seems offensive on a personal level to you guys when someone states their opinion as to why they would choose to circumsize their child.

To add to the thread: i am circumsized and i would definitely have my son done, for whatever reasons. and to all you who say there is no medical risk, i think TT would beg to differ.