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shirlene29

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anyone tried it? or should I just him euthanized

for peeps that have a clue what it all means

L4-L5 broad based disc bulge causing mild canal stenosis. moderate left foraminal stenosis. mild right foraminal stenosis.

L5-S1 small disc bulge causing mild right foraminal stenosis

bridging osteophytes in right SI joint

for peeps that don't know...discs are bulging into nerve spaces, the left one is symptomatic, the right sides small bulges are not

and theres arthritis in the right SI joint (back of the hip at the tailbone)




the central stenosis kind of freaks me out but I don't know if it should



so...chiropractor with physical therapy? what say you...
the ortho sent him to a surgeon...I think this is extreme
 
no...he wasn't game when I broke out an enema to get the job done...
 
just take hydros
 
hes been to three now...this last one is my orthopedist...
Im somewhat stunned he didn't give him a script for physical therapy..I don't know whats up that he referred him to the surgeon (who also does non surgical treatment0 but Im not understanding the jump
nothing on the report screams surgery to my limited knowledge eyes
Im actually almost wondering if the surgeon referral has more to do with the si joint given that its unilateral

the chiro I made an appointment with is actually also a physiotherapist that local orthos generally refer peeps to if theyre looking for alternative therapies...I really want to know what both have to say about it and was hoping someone had a happy ending story of some kind
Id like to see him no longer in pain
 
shirlene29 said:
hes been to three now...this last one is my orthopedist...
Im somewhat stunned he didn't give him a script for physical therapy..I don't know whats up that he referred him to the surgeon (who also does non surgical treatment0 but Im not understanding the jump
nothing on the report screams surgery to my limited knowledge eyes
Im actually almost wondering if the surgeon referral has more to do with the si joint given that its unilateral

the chiro I made an appointment with is actually also a physiotherapist that local orthos generally refer peeps to if theyre looking for alternative therapies...I really want to know what both have to say about it and was hoping someone had a happy ending story of some kind
Id like to see him no longer in pain
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I wouldn't freak out just because you were referred to a surgeon. A good orthopedic guy would recommend trying some physical therapy before he starts cutting. And they will have good connections to the PT's. The guys I have gone too told me that unless you have pain you can't tolerate, put off the surgury. So you should go and see what he has to say.

I had some good success with physical therapy for bulged discs in my neck. I had a totally weak right arm with numbness in my fingers. Physical tharapy got my feeling and my strength back. Primarily, it was traction that worked for me. You probably can't get the bulge to go away completely from PT, but if the size reduces and pressure on the nerve is reduced or eliminated, that's success.
 
I was dealing with a L5 bulge disk for about a year. I went to chiro twice a week. I worked out during my injury for 8 months, but never got better. Then I decided to take time off from gym. 7 weeks later I was much better and started working out again. I started HGH when I went back and I'm telling u it worked wonders.
 
I was waiting for you to weigh in....the office does pt too so I guess keep the appointment on thurs with the surgeon (or not, idk) and go to the appointment with the chiro on mon
 
Sust 350 said:
I was dealing with a L5 bulge disk for about a year. I went to chiro twice a week. I worked out during my injury for 8 months, but never got better. Then I decided to take time off from gym. 7 weeks later I was much better and started working out again. I started HGH when I went back and I'm telling u it worked wonders.
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yeah, hes goin on three weeks with no gym so far
Im actually pretty sure he did this in the gym doing deadlifts and someone like crossed behind him and almost hit the bar when he was on his way up and he twisted to avoid the guy
heard an audible pop (ligament injury?) and dropped the weight

my guess is he felt better the next day from muscle splinting action then really injured it good by goin back to the gym till he woke up and couldnt move ...still can barely move

the sensation of shin splints makes sense with the L5 nerve involvement


dr chris...any thought on the si joint arthritis? leave it alone..is it ok to let it go if its only one side?
 
The doctor may bash me but if you get surgery for what is essentially a chronic/degenerative back condition you run the risk of being fucked for life, especially the younger you are. More than 1/2 of them eventually end up on the surgical table within 10 years for other surgery at another level (usually if you have surgery in your lumbar region, you'll eventually start having problems in your cervical region and vice versa). I want to emphasize this is NOT true for severe spine trauma but I've literally typed it MORE times than I can count. Good doctors know this to be true and admit it. Good doctors, as long as a patient hasn't lost function, will do EVERYTHING to keep them off the table because of this fact.

Second. If you have a choice in the matter NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER get spinal surgery from an orthopedic surgeon!!! EVER!!! There is one simple reason for this, a neurosurgeon will NEVER touch the back again anywhere near the original site of surgery if there are problems down the road. Again, I have typed doctors saying this, literally: "Since the original surgery was done by Dr. XYZ, an orthopedic surgeon, I am unable to help Mr. Jones and he will need to return to see Dr. XYZ or another orthopedic surgeon."

For goodness sake, find a chiropractor, find a sports medicine guy, get PT, find an acupuncturist, get him a girdle, stop all workouts, take drugs, and get a better mattress, give non invasive shit a try for at LEAST six months, but if nothing else, the last damn thing you ever want to do is let an orthopedic surgeon cut a back in what is essentially elective surgery.

Oh, and Shirl, I meant to show this to you way back when, I forgot. You just reminded me:

A new hope for back pain sufferers? - CBS News

Here's a pertinent excerpt:

"I spent decades treating patients who've had surgery, the surgery was fusions," Dr. pauza said. "Patients would do well for a year or two, and they'd always come to me and need more help."

In his experience, fusion was usually the wrong answer: "The spine's made to be a structure that bends with every movement we make, and if we immobilize a segment of the spine, the adjacent segment breaks down. That's known as the domino effect.

"So my thought was, can we do something to that disc so that we don't have to fuse it? Can we bring the disc back to life?"

And that's the headline of this story. Just imagine: A procedure that repairs and re-grows discs, that doesn't involve spinal fusion, that's no more than minimally invasive, outpatient surgery.

The inspiration came to him when he thought about something as basic as how an ordinary cut heals.

"I realized what heals a cut is something that's very simple: It's two products that are in you and I, they're in everybody."

In our blood plasma - they're called thrombin and fibrinogen. For the cut to heal, the two components come together, and they make a substance called fibrin.

When the two components, in concentrated form, are injected into the disc through a kind of squirt gun Pauza invented, just like epoxy glue, they combine and become fibrin.

Injected into the damaged disc, the compound acts like a sealant, filling cracks and crevices, and eventually allowing the disc to re-grow. "It allows our degenerated disc to turn into a young, healthy, normal disc," said Dr. Pauza.

Rusty Templeton is typical of Dr. Pauza's failed fusion patients. He had his surgery in 2008, but the pain came back and was agonizing.

"I've kind of damaged the disc above and below my fusion, and of course that fusion disc is also in pretty bad disrepair," said Templeton.

Templeton is given a local anesthetic. The procedure takes about five minutes...there's no incision..no hardware...
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/rant
 
mistaballoonhands said:
Jesus fucking Christ and all the woodland spirits too. I didn't say go do it.
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I know you didn't but I really wanted to make my point clear to Shirl and I'm not coming back on the board once I sign off.
 
lol@ woodland spirits

I love you both...hahaha

I'm not down with any sort of surgery especially given he doesn't have a single other problem area in his spine
even with the train wreck my spine is I've never seriously considered surgery for it


the SI joint though...what say you?

Im wondering if its a contributing factor but to be honest I dont really know how much a male pelvis flexes with movement

so help me out on this one

I dont know...there, I said it...I dont know!
 
mistaballoonhands said:
And if my password was working I could link you the chocrane review at says on avg it's no better an conserv tx
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When you get a chance check out the link I gave Shirl, seriously. Very interesting shit.
 
obv goal is to get the pain/stenosis gone from the L5 nerve..
and totally serious question....let him hang from the pull up bar to relieve some of the compression? think it will give any relief?
 
luckily no one favors fushions around here anyway
discectomies are pretty popular tho...but I dont know anyone whos had any long term relief from it either
 
shirlene29 said:
lol@ woodland spirits

I love you both...hahaha

I'm not down with any sort of surgery especially given he doesn't have a single other problem area in his spine
even with the train wreck my spine is I've never seriously considered surgery for it

the SI joint though...what say you?

Im wondering if its a contributing factor but to be honest I dont really know how much a male pelvis flexes with movement

so help me out on this one

I dont know...there, I said it...I dont know!
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I'm no help, I have a sacralized lordotic vertebra. I've lived with varying degrees of discomfort to pain in that region since my teens. It even eludes my chiro because it's natural state is imbalanced. Only thing I've ever found that helped was the Tempurpedic mattress and weight lifting (deadlifts). You strengthen the core the spine feels 100% better.

Now I can't weight train, R&R and muscle relaxants and lots of vodka.

Good chiro and PT, maybe acupuncture as well, seriously. And tell him to stop being such a pussy :lmao: If he can walk, control his anus, and has feeling in his pecker and all the toes on both feet shit ain't all that bad!
 
I did actually ask him if he could feel his t-bag...then informed him a mutual friend of ours couldnt so he should fucking man up

^^ troo story

feel bad for the fucker tho....not goin to the gym is making him (and me) crazy
 
Chiropractors are Gods in my book. I feel better every time I go to one. Try a Soft Touch one if you have in your area.
 
shirlene29 said:
feel bad for the fucker tho....not goin to the gym is making him (and me) crazy
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Believe me, I can relate to that.

Like Chris said, over the long haul, non invasive treatment for chronic/degenerative spinal conditions has a solid track record.

The thing is, once you cut, you get scar tissue :whatever: Scar tissue can create new and improved problems over the original condition.
 
yeah...thats what happened to the ex...it just kept going to hell and now hes got a million scars and probs from it

he went to one of the best neurosurgeons in the northeast too
 
musclemom said:
The doctor may bash me but if you get surgery for what is essentially a chronic/degenerative back condition you run the risk of being fucked for life, especially the younger you are. More than 1/2 of them eventually end up on the surgical table within 10 years for other surgery at another level (usually if you have surgery in your lumbar region, you'll eventually start having problems in your cervical region and vice versa). I want to emphasize this is NOT true for severe spine trauma but I've literally typed it MORE times than I can count. Good doctors know this to be true and admit it. Good doctors, as long as a patient hasn't lost function, will do EVERYTHING to keep them off the table because of this fact.

Second. If you have a choice in the matter NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER get spinal surgery from an orthopedic surgeon!!! EVER!!! There is one simple reason for this, a neurosurgeon will NEVER touch the back again anywhere near the original site of surgery if there are problems down the road. Again, I have typed doctors saying this, literally: "Since the original surgery was done by Dr. XYZ, an orthopedic surgeon, I am unable to help Mr. Jones and he will need to return to see Dr. XYZ or another orthopedic surgeon."

For goodness sake, find a chiropractor, find a sports medicine guy, get PT, find an acupuncturist, get him a girdle, stop all workouts, take drugs, and get a better mattress, give non invasive shit a try for at LEAST six months, but if nothing else, the last damn thing you ever want to do is let an orthopedic surgeon cut a back in what is essentially elective surgery.

Oh, and Shirl, I meant to show this to you way back when, I forgot. You just reminded me:

A new hope for back pain sufferers? - CBS News

Here's a pertinent excerpt:



/rant
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MM - thanks for that. I found it very interesting. I forwarded to a friend of mine that had a vertebrate fused.

Stick around - miss you!!
 
I checked out the article MM...cool shit


went to the surgeons office today and what a complete fuckin waste of time that was...basically no pt was scripted and he was told to walk to keep his fitness level up and he should do more cardio. He should walk daily (he said it hurts to walk) or use an elliptical to stay in shape and consider dropping weight lifting for life because its bad for you mmkay? and heres some predisone, see ya in two weeks

now hes not a big dude by any stretch of the imagination..hes 190lbs at 6'-ish (be says 6-1, I say 6') and hes like 10% bf and he dropped 5 lbs in the last three weeks and the dr immediately started asking about cancer hx..dude, maybe you missed the part where he said no gym for three weeks and the tramadol makes him sick and the part where he said his back felt better than it had in a long time by going BACK TO THE GYM..prescribe fuckin pt..fuck

oh, she actually said he was very big and could stand to lose a little muscle (on what planet)

I hope the chiropractors office gets him set up with some pt with their physical therapist and isn't retarded

rant over...what horseshit
 
shirlene29 said:
anyone tried it? or should I just him euthanized

for peeps that have a clue what it all means

L4-L5 broad based disc bulge causing mild canal stenosis. moderate left foraminal stenosis. mild right foraminal stenosis.

L5-S1 small disc bulge causing mild right foraminal stenosis

bridging osteophytes in right SI joint

for peeps that don't know...discs are bulging into nerve spaces, the left one is symptomatic, the right sides small bulges are not

and theres arthritis in the right SI joint (back of the hip at the tailbone)




the central stenosis kind of freaks me out but I don't know if it should



so...chiropractor with physical therapy? what say you...
the ortho sent him to a surgeon...I think this is extreme
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i have minor bulges at s5 and s6 and problems at the si joint + periforis syndrome ( fml and fuck them glute shots ) .
i work in a hospital.. got some free scans done ,seen a consultant neuro surgeon and he reckoned that surgery like vertabrae fusion was not worth the risk ... and told me to stay da fuck away from chiropractors . pain management was the way to go ...physio,massage ( i can help you there :qt: ) , hot baths and shit like that...as opposed to meds.
supported seating and good posture would help ..lol
after 2-3 years most of the pain has subsided and i still train 4 days a week.
minor bulges are common once you hit mid thirties ( so i'm told )

anywho there ya go...gimme a call when you want that 3-handed masage :)

FUCK ! just read your original post and its not you with the back problem...cancel the massage offer .
 
Shirl,

I am going to give my old man back advice as I have been going through this once or twice a year for the last 10 yrs. Twice already this year including now so this is fresh on the mind.

1) It takes 4 weeks to get over this. Somethings are going to help but nothing really. 3 weeks you won't be able to do anything but walk and maybe ride a redundant bike.
2) Chiropractor can relieve some pain and speed recovery by getting things lined up - but it is still 4 weeks
3) Stop lifting weights and jogging during this time
4) laying on the floor with your feet on a stool feels better than most meds
5) Desk chairs are the devil
6) go for a walk every night - help loosen it up gets blood in the spine
7) from now on, bench press with your feet on the bench
8) forget standing squats. Use a leg press. Just too easy to fuck it up again
9) Advil and Aleve are the way to go. Too much more and you are going to end up with an addiction
10) Keep your hamstrings stretched at all times. That is my downfall.

Hope that helps. So now you don't need to waste any more time with a Dr (fuck off Chris).
 
yeah, this is all the hubs...my back is remarkably pain free since my bikram kick...
hell I was a little tight in an si joint last night (and had worked back the day before) so I popped into "rabbit pose" got a nice stretch until a little pop then more stretch and was all better and promptly fell asleep
I get strange looks for "standing bow" in the middle of the gym but its awesome for a quad and pirformis stretch

the prendisone seems to of made a huge difference with him today but we've talked over his weight lifting routine and scratched squats and deads...perhaps indefinitely
the chrio hes going to is actually a licensed physio too ...Im hoping he can finally get a plan in place that he'll listen to for muscle imbalances in his lower back/core


Columbo....lemme know when youre ready to give that three handed massage..haha
 
billfred said:
Shirl,

I am going to give my old man back advice as I have been going through this once or twice a year for the last 10 yrs. Twice already this year including now so this is fresh on the mind.

1) It takes 4 weeks to get over this. Somethings are going to help but nothing really. 3 weeks you won't be able to do anything but walk and maybe ride a redundant bike.
2) Chiropractor can relieve some pain and speed recovery by getting things lined up - but it is still 4 weeks
3) Stop lifting weights and jogging during this time
4) laying on the floor with your feet on a stool feels better than most meds
5) Desk chairs are the devil
6) go for a walk every night - help loosen it up gets blood in the spine
7) from now on, bench press with your feet on the bench
8) forget standing squats. Use a leg press. Just too easy to fuck it up again
9) Advil and Aleve are the way to go. Too much more and you are going to end up with an addiction
10) Keep your hamstrings stretched at all times. That is my downfall.

Hope that helps. So now you don't need to waste any more time with a Dr (fuck off Chris).
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I alternate between a ergo chair and an exercise ball at my desk. Sitting on the ball promotes small motion and blood flow to your lower back.
 
I did the exercise ball thing when I was pregnant....hed have to clear the ball with security but they did order him a new ergo chair
 
shirlene29 said:
yeah, this is all the hubs...my back is remarkably pain free since my bikram kick...
hell I was a little tight in an si joint last night (and had worked back the day before) so I popped into "rabbit pose" got a nice stretch until a little pop then more stretch and was all better and promptly fell asleep
I get strange looks for "standing bow" in the middle of the gym but its awesome for a quad and pirformis stretch

the prendisone seems to of made a huge difference with him today but we've talked over his weight lifting routine and scratched squats and deads...perhaps indefinitely
the chrio hes going to is actually a licensed physio too ...Im hoping he can finally get a plan in place that he'll listen to for muscle imbalances in his lower back/core


Columbo....lemme know when youre ready to give that three handed massage..haha
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I know this was for that one nutted fuck.

Hey, seriously, I would like a picture of your tits. WTF has this not been delivered?
 
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