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China: the next superpower

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The White House sees China as being the next superpower. And some in the east see the U.S. as being likely to start a "preventive war" in an attempt to keep China from reaching this status. Here are some China facts:



Since 1978, China has averaged 9.4% annual GDP growth

It had a five-fold increase in total output per capita from 1982 to 2002

It had $61 billion in foreign direct investment in 2004 alone and foreign trade of $851 billion, the third-largest in the world

The US trade deficit with China exceeded $200 billion in 2005

China has $750 billion in foreign exchange reserves and is the second-biggest oil importer

Last year it turned out 442,000 new engineers a year; with 48,000 graduates with master's degrees and 8,000 PhDs annually; compared to only 60,000 new engineers a year in the US.

China for the first time (2004) surpassed America to export the most technology wares around the world. China enjoyed a $34 billion trade surplus with the US in advanced technology products in 2004 (The Economist, December 17, 2005). In 2005, the surplus increased to $36 billion

It created 20,000 new manufacturing facilities a year

It holds $252 billion in US Treasury Bonds (plus $48 billion held by Hong Kong)

Among the five basic food, energy and industrial commodities –grain and meat, oil and coal and steel –consumption in China has eclipsed that of the US in all but oil.

China has also gone ahead of the US in the consumption of TV sets, refrigerators and mobile phones

In 1996, China had 7 million cell phones and the US had 44 million. Now China has more mobile phone users than the US has people.

China has about $1 trillion in personal savings and a savings rate of close to 50%; U.S. has about $158 billion in personal savings and a savings rate of about 2% (The Wall Street Journal, Nov 19, 2005)
Shanghai boasts 4,000 skyscrapers – double the number in New York City (The Wall Street Journal, Nov 19, 2005)
Songbei, Harbin City in north China is building a city as big as New York City

Goldman Sachs predicts that China will surpass the US economy by 2041.



For more about this subject from their point of view, look up news online at "Asia Times" online at http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page.html
 
Just need a new "Going japanesa" tune to go with Chinesa.
 
I enjoyed the Fox News debate this morning where the guy taking the liberal view said "we aren't doing enough to control the Chineese economy."

Liberals can be so funny sometimes.
 
One aspect of life is about survival and that is what the locomotion is all about!!! :whatever:
 
I have an office in China and many employees there. I go fairly routinely. They have a lot of problems to deal with. What the US might think IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

They don't care, and don't need to. Global economic policy is set in Beijing as much as Washington. Bush is righ tnow trying to cajole the leader of China to revalue their currency.

Who's really in charge?
 
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I'm glad. While hte us is wasting it's time on race wars, illegal immigration, lousy schools, etc. - the rest of the world is skyrocketing.

Tomorrow's us millionaires will be those who go global in their business strategies.

i'm already working on blueprints for outsourcing indian IT talent to cheap areas of Canada for us clients for a friend of mine. Win/win/win for everyone involved.
 
what they don't tell you is that the chinese have created a ponzi scheme by limiting the amount of kiddies you can create so that by 2041, the country is gonna be all old people who can't produce shit. worse than europe.


law of large numbers and shit like like that.
 
india will probably fare better in the long run...

and brazil ("the perpetual country of the future") finally has their shit together.
 
dullboy said:
what they don't tell you is that the chinese have created a ponzi scheme by limiting the amount of kiddies you can create so that by 2041, the country is gonna be all old people who can't produce shit. worse than europe.

law of large numbers and shit like like that.

Law of bad information, too.

The one child policy was enforced rigorously for just a short time. The government backed off because the result was massive drowning of baby girls, as families wanted boys.

The policy was never enforced at all in the more rural parts of the country. China needed the farm labor. That's about 850 million people, many of whom are now descending on the cities to comprise a huge workforce.

The child policy was changed to

a. 1 is OK
b. to have a second, you have to pay a fee to the government. Last year it was 3000 yuan.
c. If you have three or more, you cannot participate in the social safety net, such as keep a government job or get the other socialist benefits they have.


The short term enforcement of the policy means that China has about 70 million more men than women.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
Law of bad information, too.

The one child policy was enforced rigorously for just a short time. The government backed off because the result was massive drowning of baby girls, as families wanted boys.

The policy was never enforced at all in the more rural parts of the country. China needed the farm labor. That's about 850 million people, many of whom are now descending on the cities to comprise a huge workforce.

The child policy was changed to

a. 1 is OK
b. to have a second, you have to pay a fee to the government. Last year it was 3000 yuan.
c. If you have three or more, you cannot participate in the social safety net, such as keep a government job or get the other socialist benefits they have.


The short term enforcement of the policy means that China has about 70 million more men than women.


how exactly are you refuting what dullboy said?
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
I have an office in China and many employees there. I go fairly routinely. They have a lot of problems to deal with. What the US might think IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

They don't care, and don't need to. Global economic policy is set in Beijing as much as Washington. Bush is righ tnow trying to cajole the leader of China to revalue their currency.

Who's really in charge?


Matt what are your views on the Yuan and do you think it would be best to let it float? It seems to me that it would hurt us more than help.
 
dullboy said:
how exactly are you refuting what dullboy said?

What makes you think I am concerned with refuting - or for that matter even reading - your opinion? :)

I just wanted to share information.
 
US wants the yuan go to go down. Since they own our debt, it costs LESS for us to buy back debt.

China doesn't want that of course. that's the real simple version of it.
 
Razorguns said:
US wants the yuan go to go down. Since they own our debt, it costs LESS for us to buy back debt.

China doesn't want that of course. that's the real simple version of it.


Actually China would like to keep it's currency cheap.

Cheap Yuan=more Chinese made goods purchased in the U.S.
 
bdog527 said:
Actually China would like to keep it's currency cheap.

Cheap Yuan=more Chinese made goods purchased in the U.S.

Not cheap, the us wants it even CHEAPER. So tv's cost $200 instead of $2000. There's a limit China wants to go down.
 
hmm...I was under the impression the U.S. was pressuring China to float the Yuan. If that would happen the Yuan would almost certainly increase in value. Admittedly I haven't been following it that closely.
 
bdog527 said:
hmm...I was under the impression the U.S. was pressuring China to float the Yuan. If that would happen the Yuan would almost certainly increase in value. Admittedly I haven't been following it that closely.

There's a _million_ other factors involved. It's a pretty complex strategy way above the head of most brain-dead cnn viewers.
 
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