Check out this fucked up FOX News clip

[gjohnson5]

Neither am I.

The kid's position was beyond silly. It's intellectually foolish in my view to pick bits and pieces of history like he was doing without taking into account the entire historical context of what was happening. It's as bad or worse than a Michael Moore movie. Training the Mujahadeen? It helped defeat the Soviets, a worthy cause. Aside from the fact that it was a correct action at the time, to link Bush Jr. with it because Bush Sr. was DCI?

Come on, that's so stupid it's pointless to even address. Aside from the fact that he's probably off on his timeline anyway in terms of Bush, it's so absurd that the only reason his opinions were voiced are because his father died. Which is a shame.

You seem to be taking a pro-western viewpoint without knowing anything about the situation.

1. Who was the kid's father and what did he do for the US?
2. Why was his father in war torn Afganistan?
3. Who killed his father?

Clear minded people should not come to conclusions without information....

 

[Spartacus]

Neither am I.

The kid's position was beyond silly. It's intellectually foolish in my view to pick bits and pieces of history like he was doing without taking into account the entire historical context of what was happening. It's as bad or worse than a Michael Moore movie. Training the Mujahadeen? It helped defeat the Soviets, a worthy cause. Aside from the fact that it was a correct action at the time, to link Bush Jr. with it because Bush Sr. was DCI?

Come on, that's so stupid it's pointless to even address. Aside from the fact that he's probably off on his timeline anyway in terms of Bush, it's so absurd that the only reason his opinions were voiced are because his father died. Which is a shame.

agreed

 

[spongebob]

im glad orielly handed that kids ass to him. he's a moron.

 

[Razorguns]

i've seen howard stern and shock rock radio dj's do a LOT worse.

 

[HS Lifter]

Turned that shit off after a minute, they need a moderator.

 

[Volatile]

Point out a good point made by the kid which O'Reilly could not refute volatile.

Sorry, didn't see this til today.

Point out one thing? Well, the US did support Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan. At least that's what they taught is us my foreign policy courses. I know what you're going to say next but I'll let you say it.

Didn't you watch the interview? Tell me what the kid said that O'Reilly refuted? And if he was refuting it so well why did he have to tell the kid to shut up and tell them to cut off his mike? Does that sound like the actions from someone who's winning an argument? Just like gymrat said, he was getting owned so he had to use the leverage he had from being the host.

 

[BlondBomber]

"It's well known that, what 80+% of Journalists are Liberals. Now since O'reilly gives a different side, actually the truth without Liberal opinion everyone is having a fit. I think it's great for a change, and according to the ratings, so do most Americans."

I would like to know where such a statistic could be found?
Writing that "80+% of journalists" is much like the talking points that the Republican party gives to their members to repeat whenever they are interviewed. It's ye olde, you say it enough times, and you/they will believe it ploy.
What conversatives equated as a "liberal" opinion is the truth. The truth, like Bush/Chaney have the strongest ties to the Energy (Oil) Industry of any administration, Bush was deliquent in his "service" in the National Guard, and that the invasion in Iraq is purely motivated by lust for its oil, among others.
Before someone starts talking about "Ivory towers," My opinion on this suject matter is not influenced by the books that I read in college, or the political debates that I see on TV, its influenced by best friend who is a veteran of the current "conflict" in Iraq.
For all of the macho, conservative members who think that we should have invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, like we did, you don't know shit.
My friend was a cop and machine gunnist. War isn't cool, killing people isn't cool. He would probably punch one you motherfuckers in the face if you talked like this around him. He joined the Air Force after 9-11, he was conservative, ready to go blow shit up. After coming back, he realized that its all about $. $ and oil, no one gives a fuck about Iraq, or its people. He describes it as a "shit hole."
I have another friend that is involved in Intel for another branch. He learned Arabic to help in the "war," and he knows its bullshit. He has all the info, but he also has a critical reasoning ability, which many of you seem to lack.
Both of my friends are going to vote for Kerry, proudly.
So, before you attack my "liberal" attitudes, think of my sources, they are not books/TV. They are real experiences.

 

[75th]

"It's well known that, what 80+% of Journalists are Liberals. Now since O'reilly gives a different side, actually the truth without Liberal opinion everyone is having a fit. I think it's great for a change, and according to the ratings, so do most Americans."

I would like to know where such a statistic could be found?
Writing that "80+% of journalists" is much like the talking points that the Republican party gives to their members to repeat whenever they are interviewed. It's ye olde, you say it enough times, and you/they will believe it ploy.
What conversatives equated as a "liberal" opinion is the truth. The truth, like Bush/Chaney have the strongest ties to the Energy (Oil) Industry of any administration, Bush was deliquent in his "service" in the National Guard, and that the invasion in Iraq is purely motivated by lust for its oil, among others.
Before someone starts talking about "Ivory towers," My opinion on this suject matter is not influenced by the books that I read in college, or the political debates that I see on TV, its influenced by best friend who is a veteran of the current "conflict" in Iraq.
For all of the macho, conservative members who think that we should have invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, like we did, you don't know shit.
My friend was a cop and machine gunnist. War isn't cool, killing people isn't cool. He would probably punch one you motherfuckers in the face if you talked like this around him. He joined the Air Force after 9-11, he was conservative, ready to go blow shit up. After coming back, he realized that its all about $. $ and oil, no one gives a fuck about Iraq, or its people. He describes it as a "shit hole."
I have another friend that is involved in Intel for another branch. He learned Arabic to help in the "war," and he knows its bullshit. He has all the info, but he also has a critical reasoning ability, which many of you seem to lack.
Both of my friends are going to vote for Kerry, proudly.
So, before you attack my "liberal" attitudes, think of my sources, they are not books/TV. They are real experiences.

Two whole people? Bravo. I would rather think for myself then base my thoughts around two of my homies.

By the way, I fought in both Afghanistan and Iraq with the 2nd Rangers. We saw a lot of shit...Im just wondering what your friend saw there that convinced him both wars were about oil (that he couldnt have seen over here).

 

[AristotleBC]

You seem to be taking a pro-western viewpoint without knowing anything about the situation.

1. Who was the kid's father and what did he do for the US?
2. Why was his father in war torn Afganistan?
3. Who killed his father?

Clear minded people should not come to conclusions without information....

He was a Port Authority worker, and was killed in the WTC. You can tell that he was killed at the WTC by observing the screen-size banner that says "Father Killed At WTC" playing across the entire screen every 30 seconds while they're talking.

I've always found it easier myself to be clear minded when I wasn't eating my own foot.

Sorry, didn't see this til today.

Point out one thing? Well, the US did support Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan. At least that's what they taught is us my foreign policy courses. I know what you're going to say next but I'll let you say it.

Didn't you watch the interview? Tell me what the kid said that O'Reilly refuted? And if he was refuting it so well why did he have to tell the kid to shut up and tell them to cut off his mike? Does that sound like the actions from someone who's winning an argument? Just like gymrat said, he was getting owned so he had to use the leverage he had from being the host.

LOL...he wasn't getting owned. It was equivalent to some hysterical two year old screaming nonsense, which is just what that kid was spouting. One doesn't successfully reason with the unreasonable, and O'Reilly knew that.

The kid came off like the archetypical whiny anti-American hippie protestor. All mouth and nothing of substance to say. "oh we trained the mujahadeen" "oh it wasn't for us, it was for the rich" "oh it was Bush Jr.'s fault because he ignores African Americans and is Bush Sr.'s son who was DCI in 1976."

Just nonsense.



One last thing.

Blond Bomber, you wanted to know about liberals in the media?

Here's how you know - Most journalists are self-described Democrats: Just over 5% are conservatives.

A quote from my American Government book (O'Connor, 2004, Continuity and Change)

"Truth be told, most journalists lean to the left... Journalists are substantially Democratic in party affiliation and voting habits, progressive and anti-establishment in political orientation, and well to the left of the general public on , most ecnomic, foreign policy and social issues such as abortion, affirmative action, gun control. "

"Indeed a recent survey indicated that while 35% of the General public describe themselves as idealogically conservative, only 6% of those in the news media do the same."

This liberal bias does indeed show up frequently on screen and in print. A study of reporting on the abortion issue, for example, revealed a clear slant to the pro-choice side on network television news, matching in many ways the reporters' own abortion-rights views."

So basically, 95% of journalists are NOT conservatives. And a majority of them are strongly liberal. .



BTW 75th, good point, and I wouldn't even go that far, I would not trust a guy who doesn't know how to spell the vice-President's name to accurately pass on the viewpoints of anyone.

 

[slickdadd]

Yep. I'm not sure about the points the kid was making, but O'Reily is such a bratty, immature, foolish conversationalist. He behaves like a little kid who doesn't get his way. That shows a lack of intelligence and ability to logically think and rationalize the beliefs he choose to uphold. I can't stand people like that. Not even worth the time to talk to. Even if the kid was arguing that Polar Bears killed his dad with Butterknives, the way O'Reily behaves would do nothing to prove the kid wrong.