Change to injections from cream advice

[Jessie05]

Hi
I’ve been on a compounded T/DHEA cream for a year with so so results. Estrogen conversion is part of the problem as is absorption. I am on 200 mg for the T twice a day and the last time I was tested my T was at about 350. I was taking nettle root and that helped with the estrogen and this improved my overall mood and libido temporarily and then I slipped back some. I seem to be a fast estrogen converter and adding more cream as I have done only worsens the problem. I have been taking 12.5 mgs of aromasin EOD for the last 2 ½ weeks and that has helped. I have no idea though how long it takes for the full effect of aromasin to kick in.

The plan now is for me to go on Testosterone cypionate at 150 mgs a week. I suppose I will inject it twice a week at 75 mgs per. I plan to stay on the aromasin at 12.5 mgs every other day initially.

What impact will this change from cream to injection have on my system? Should I supplement with cream for the few weeks it takes to have a noticeable effect? Or will the fact that I’ve been on the cream and reached a more or less low normal range minimize any negative symptoms that might occur due to Low T?

This is a great site with loads of great info and advice. I was really at a loss to understand my poor reaction with cream until I read some of the other histories with it here.

 

[hannes joubert]

Hey there Jessie.

Yip, creams are generally a waste of time for most guys on TRT.

I am not sure about the bridge between cream and pinning, hopefully one of the senior mods will be able to answer you question.

Just be careful with the Aromasin. Good thing that you are taking it, but if you lower your E to far, for too long then you could start having other problems....Try cycling the Aromasin 12 weeks on, 4/8 weeks off

Hannes

 

[Zyglamail]

Assuming you dont have high SHBG then 150mg/wk test should take you up to mid normal range >550 serum test or so. You could take cream a couple days after your first inj.

As for aromasin, you really need to base that dose on your E levels.

 

[XMAN.]

yeah cream r really a waste of time and money, u stick with injectables , test cyp is good, keep taking the cream the first week as a transition phase but increase the aromasin this week to 12.5mg/ed as u'll have more estro while on the 2 compounds, and switch back to eod (or 3 times/week) 2nd week when ur on test cyp only, to be accurate with aromasin dosage u'll have to check ur E2 on ur lab results u may need to stop it for a while later or maintain on a lower dose like 12.5mg twice per week.

 

[Jessie05]

Thanks for the info. I get tested tomorrow and so will know T & E2 levels in a few days. Will check back then.

 

[Jessie05]

Surprisingly all my numbers looked good but I still have basic low T symptoms

My testosterone was 1002 ng/dl
Free Testosterone 37.14 ng/dl
% Free testosterone 3.3

Estradiol 24/PG/ML

I had been on the aromasin at 12.5 EOD for 3 weeks at the time of testing. During this time I felt periodic deepening of voice as well as unanticipated daytime erections.


Does it take longer for the symptoms to disappear even though the numbers have improved?

I still plan to change to injections when what is going on can be identified.

 

[XMAN.]

have you checked ur thyroid and adrenal panels ?

 

[Jessie05]

Had responded here before but tried to insert a link and as I am a new member that post evaporated.

I am in to see the doc today and so will ask about thyroid and adrenal panels.

I think what happened in my case was that I was Low E2 when I started on the aromasin E3D. I had only been on the aromasin for 3 weeks before the testing and I doubt that created the free T levels.

I had been on a DIM and nettle root and leaf and I didn’t think they were doing the job and so switched to the aromasin. I probably took too much of the nettle root and leaf and that produced the low E2 and high free T. Not sure if this sounds right so do correct if you think it is a wrong assumption.

I have been off all AI’s for 4 days and feel much better. After the test I was on 12.5 aromasin a day for a week and that probably really knocked down the E2. Now the question is how do I know when to start the AI's again?

I still plan to go on the injections but am now thinking I should be on 175 mgs a week.

 

[musclemom]

My husband switched from cream to injections, he was literally absorbing NOTHING after about 3 months.

Most docs start you out on 200 mg every other week with injections but you get a serious roller coaster effect with that. Most guys prefer going to 100 mg every week. My husband actually seems to be happiest at 100 mg every ten days. His doc has him on Arimidex, I ended up splitting the pills (they're damned expensive and his estrogen was in the single digits, again, he wasn't feeling his best).

On the plus side, doing it yourself let's you tweak your numbers, within reason at least