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KillahBee
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Cavs really lose nothing in the deal, IMO. Shaq had a surprisingly good year this season. Cavs got raped by D Howard in the playoffs, which Shaq may have helped a little bit (he's not much on D anymore, though and D Howard would run the fucking floor all over his old/fat ass). In the East, I like the trade for one year. Maybe it'll be the thing that pushes the Cavs past the "philadelphia eagles in the playoffs" stage (always a bridesmaid, never the bride).
This also now puts two of my most hated NBA players on the same team, so yay for me.
This also now puts two of my most hated NBA players on the same team, so yay for me.
KillahBee
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If they win a ring, it might. The goal of every NBA team is to win a championship, period. Forget what might happen the next season. For this season, why would you not want to make your team better?
TITCR
And I dont think the biggest problem with the Cavs was their lack of a legit center...I think it was that, aside from LeBron, nobody really came close to contributing anything meaningful.
Compare that with the Magic who each game had a different player blow it up.
If they win a ring Shaq retires anyway. Rings with 3 different teams? Bye! Whether they do or not The King leaves.
KillahBee
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but what does that matter, dude? i don't understand the point of analyzing a trade based on the season AFTER the traded player plays? obviously they only expect him to play one year and that's all they need.
If you're signing Shaq for one year and nothing else? GREAT TRADE! If you're looking for a big man to convince LJ to stay past next year? Epic Fail.
KillahBee
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See that's the issue here. You guys are all assuming that this trade is to make LBJ stay! I never even considered that cause it just doesn't make any sense (not that NBA teams make sense often with their roster moves).
I don't see how this trade should be analyzed as anything more than a team simply trying to win a ring in the singular next season.
And yeah, he's going to NY. ZERO doubt about it in my mind.
KillahBee
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correct, but that is a separate issue from this trade.
redsamurai
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no fucking extension before he plays a single fucking game. What a dick to even try that shit. I don't mind getting him for a year, and if he plays beast....fine, give him an extension. But Yao might be available next year, so if we give him an extension it's got to be at a seriously discount. Which of course he won't go for. Dude's got like maybe a year or two left.
billfred
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The bold statement seems very wise to me. But they have to have another go to when outside shots are not working and everyone is on Lebron. I think this helps in a post up situation.
redsamurai
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keep dreamin, he was going to NY when jz was gettin his band together in brooklyn. But now that fell through, you think the Knicks are going to entice him? Not as they currently are. The knicks would have to prove to him that they've already landed one of the TOP 2010 free agents. So like if they nab wade or bosh or one of the other studs. But if those chinese minority owners convince yao to come to cleveland, Lebron's going nowhere.
redsamurai
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KB's right, it's just to get a ring next year. Shaq's gotta know he's done after 2010
KillahBee
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The sole reason why I believe he's headed to NY (regardless of how pathetic the Knicks are) is because from what I understand he's a raging egomaniac (to be expected) and has grand plans of world domination. Can't do that from Cleveland.
If you're a pro athlete and want to cement your name as the greatest brand in the universe, where do you go? Cleveland?
No, NYC. No second thoughts about it. And he managed to take a pretty shitty Cleveland team far in the playoffs for several years, so why can't he do it in NY?
redsamurai
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I think he had something to do with bringing in the chinese owners........something tells me he's just not leaving. His boys apparently want him to stay now too. That's probably the biggest thing going for cleveland right now. The guys he's got running his business are all tied here to akron. With the money they're going to be making, and the exposure they're going to be getting in china......they can hop a private jet to New york for a weekend, or anywhere else for that matter. In today's world I'm not so sure it matters anymore where a guy plays. Lebron would be tearing shit up in milwaukee just as much as in New York. Garnett didn't leave for boston cause of "boston", he left cause they had Allen, Pierce and two really solid interior lineman that could free him up from doing the heavy lifting, which he's not built for. You go where you can win chamipionships nowadays, not where the "hot spots" are. I'm not saying Lebron doesn't have an ego, all of em do......but I don't think it's the size you think it is. "Right now", ego wise he's not even remotely in Kobe's league......so I guess it's a relative statement. I know guys that went to school with him and one of my best friends sister worked as a bartender for one of his parties.......they honestly say he's not "that" bad. He comes off like any ole high school jock, so for sure there's some ego there.
I'm no basketball expert, but from what i've read there's a very good reason the Knicks stink. He might be able to get them to the playoffs, but he doesn't care about playoffs.....he wants to go to the finals. Can he beat the Magic and the Celtics with the Knicks? Unlikely. The addition of shaq "may" get them to the finals if shaq plays halfway decent. Howard didn't have to do any heavy lifting against us in ECF, with shaq he's going to have to bang with a 320 pound dude both offensively and defensively who's going go be spelled by another 7 footer in zydrunas. It has the "potential" to be a nasty interior especially if in some packages they decide to leave zydrunas and shaq in at the same time. I honestly though don't think the problem against the magic was Howard though.........it was those ridiculous almost 7ft guards that can drain 3's all night long. Mo and Delonte cannot guard that no matter how much interior pressure is taken off with the addition of shaq. We need to pick up a tall guard.
I'm no basketball expert, but from what i've read there's a very good reason the Knicks stink. He might be able to get them to the playoffs, but he doesn't care about playoffs.....he wants to go to the finals. Can he beat the Magic and the Celtics with the Knicks? Unlikely. The addition of shaq "may" get them to the finals if shaq plays halfway decent. Howard didn't have to do any heavy lifting against us in ECF, with shaq he's going to have to bang with a 320 pound dude both offensively and defensively who's going go be spelled by another 7 footer in zydrunas. It has the "potential" to be a nasty interior especially if in some packages they decide to leave zydrunas and shaq in at the same time. I honestly though don't think the problem against the magic was Howard though.........it was those ridiculous almost 7ft guards that can drain 3's all night long. Mo and Delonte cannot guard that no matter how much interior pressure is taken off with the addition of shaq. We need to pick up a tall guard.
calveless wonder
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^---yes, clearly you know little about basketball. so how are you going to debate about LBJ's leaving or not leaving?
LOL @ jay z having anything to do with him coming to the nets. That was the stupidest/most speculative theory out there with no foundation whatsoever. Just because his buddy is a partial owner means nothing.
the kevin garnett comparison is retarded. he was never about the big market or wanted to be an endorsement icon. he was happy to be the man in minnesota, he just had no help (minus the one year with spree/cassell).
knicks are clearing cap room to land TWO max contract free agents in 2010. They'll have a young core of decent players and mike d'antoni's offense to boot.
james wants to be the first billionaire athlete. he is an egomaniac...and he'd love the spotlight of NYC along with the tons of endorsements he'd get to add to his resume. Lets face it, cleveland isn't big enough for him.
it's why shaq left for LA. you're my man sam, but you clearly know nothing about this topic
back to the trade. This was a desperation move. Ferry really believes he needs to win a championship to keep LBJ. Maybe he thinks it can buy him some time, and then maybe pull off a move in 2010 to get a free agent to help LBJ. It's going to backfire. SHaq is going to want the ball, and he's going to clog the middle. Shaq's also going to be 38 years old.
The cavs didn't lose to the magic just because of the lack of a defensive presence in the middle. They mostly lost because they had nobody to guard turkoglu and rashard lewis. I might add that shaq is HORRIBLE on the pick and roll is going to get destroyed on it. This does very little to solidify this team
LOL @ jay z having anything to do with him coming to the nets. That was the stupidest/most speculative theory out there with no foundation whatsoever. Just because his buddy is a partial owner means nothing.
the kevin garnett comparison is retarded. he was never about the big market or wanted to be an endorsement icon. he was happy to be the man in minnesota, he just had no help (minus the one year with spree/cassell).
knicks are clearing cap room to land TWO max contract free agents in 2010. They'll have a young core of decent players and mike d'antoni's offense to boot.
james wants to be the first billionaire athlete. he is an egomaniac...and he'd love the spotlight of NYC along with the tons of endorsements he'd get to add to his resume. Lets face it, cleveland isn't big enough for him.
it's why shaq left for LA. you're my man sam, but you clearly know nothing about this topic
back to the trade. This was a desperation move. Ferry really believes he needs to win a championship to keep LBJ. Maybe he thinks it can buy him some time, and then maybe pull off a move in 2010 to get a free agent to help LBJ. It's going to backfire. SHaq is going to want the ball, and he's going to clog the middle. Shaq's also going to be 38 years old.
The cavs didn't lose to the magic just because of the lack of a defensive presence in the middle. They mostly lost because they had nobody to guard turkoglu and rashard lewis. I might add that shaq is HORRIBLE on the pick and roll is going to get destroyed on it. This does very little to solidify this team
the magic are owning the east next season if they keep Turkoglu...look at their lineup... Jameer nelson, Turkoglu, Vince Carter, Dwight Howard, and Rashard Lewis...The celtics will finish 2nd...This trade does nothing to get them closer to a championship...The cavs need a much more athletic center and more outside shooters...If patrick ewing works with Dwight Howard he could become unstoppable...He still dribbles the ball too much around the basket and gets it stolen a lot. It gonna be really hard for the cavs to win the east this year...Chicago is getting better as well
Lambruh
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great pickup, lost nothing for acquiring him and at age 37 he puts up similar numbers to Gasol in the same conf. at only 30mpg..
Danny Ferry stays raping GM's in the offseason, Shaq fits our system great inside and out, this was another gift
Be sure to see a PF being signed after July 1st also, hmmmm I like Charles V
Danny Ferry stays raping GM's in the offseason, Shaq fits our system great inside and out, this was another gift
Be sure to see a PF being signed after July 1st also, hmmmm I like Charles V
Lambruh
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peep this video of em recently...Post a Comment
near the end of the video, watch for the reflection in the window behind Shaqs head...you'll see someone with what looks like fill in the blank on their lap..
hmmmmmm interesting.
near the end of the video, watch for the reflection in the window behind Shaqs head...you'll see someone with what looks like fill in the blank on their lap..
hmmmmmm interesting.
calveless wonder
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you were gift wrapped a championship thanks to kevin mchale.
now your team is getting old and irrelevant with the rise of the magic.
focus on them, instead of other teams (as usual)
calveless wonder
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at the expense of the entire chemistry of his team. he pretty much destroyed a perrenial 60 win team and turned them into a lottery team (along with that moron steve kerr)
shaq is going to clog the middle and get pwned on the pick and roll. i don't know why they made this move. they need a long/athletic guard or small forward who can shoot
what they needed was some one like lamar odom sp?, besides lebron they have a bunch of shorties they rely on for shooting. they need that 6'8-6'10 guy that can do anything to help lebron out. west, williams, gibson i think average what 6'3? their biggest problem with the big guys is age, so they get someone older...i'm a lebron fan and i hate this trade
Lambruh
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Shaq didn't destroy the Suns, he was injured all 07 and the suns were pretty much crippled with them all this season, he didn't fit on a run n gun style O, while Marion did. If Shaq was the problem they would've shipped him at the deadline when Cavs were offering Wally, Ben, Pavs and a pick. So who's really desperate, the team that picked him up for scraps or the team that shipped him for money and now their franchize player (Amare)? Shaq will be much more effective playing a half court style.
Shaq's been pwned against the pick n roll and clog the paint his whole career while playing with the best at the rim finishers in Wade/Kobe as teamates, being a 15 time all-star and winning 4 rings. Interesting how people were critisizing Mo Williams defense last summer aren't saying much anymore now that they see how he fits in MB's system. Not concern when you have guys like Varajao and Lebron that play excellent help/weakside D.
Not quite sure what's so confusing about landing a deal in where you give up practically nothing for a guy that puts up. 18/9 @ 30mpg, compared the only Knicks talent - Lee 16/11 @ 35mpg.... no brainer
Cavs also have more money coming off Cap now in 2010, resign lebron + swoop Bosh, although i'm not concerned with this as much as you knick fans, I have something to look forward to actually called winning.
Shaq's been pwned against the pick n roll and clog the paint his whole career while playing with the best at the rim finishers in Wade/Kobe as teamates, being a 15 time all-star and winning 4 rings. Interesting how people were critisizing Mo Williams defense last summer aren't saying much anymore now that they see how he fits in MB's system. Not concern when you have guys like Varajao and Lebron that play excellent help/weakside D.
Not quite sure what's so confusing about landing a deal in where you give up practically nothing for a guy that puts up. 18/9 @ 30mpg, compared the only Knicks talent - Lee 16/11 @ 35mpg.... no brainer
Cavs also have more money coming off Cap now in 2010, resign lebron + swoop Bosh, although i'm not concerned with this as much as you knick fans, I have something to look forward to actually called winning.
Lambruh
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I don't know bro
Al Jefferson got hurt, that guy is gonna be a player
I'd judge that trade after the next two seasons
It was a trade that def brought us the title
What can you do bro? They won, that was their intentions upon making the trade.
NFL is coming baby
i hate the cavs simply b/c of the calls they give lebron. The annoncers are all over his nuts the whole game and lebron gets every single foul call. Like the phantom 3 point foul that howard blocked plus he runs over defensive players when they have position and they get called for the foul. They see lebron take the ball to the rim and blow the whistle no matter what. The cavs need people to replace mo williams and delonte west...Those guys are garbage
redsamurai
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calveless wonder;8855622 LOL @ jay z having anything to do with him coming to the nets. That was the stupidest/most speculative theory out there with no foundation whatsoever. Just because his buddy is a partial owner means nothing.[/QUOTE said:
redsamurai
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i say i'm a lebron fan b/c i like him as a player...i cheer for the cavs to win. i don't say i'm a cavs fan b/c if lebron never came there i wouldn't cheer for them. like the million kobe fans that say L.A. is their favorite team, when in all reality kobe is their favorite player. i'm close to chicago and i will always be a chicago fan at heart, but lebron has brought my attention back to the NBA like when Jordan played. i would love to see the team put something great together, but i don't think shaq was the answer. i hope i'm wrong
redsamurai
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It doesn't matter whether shaq's the answer or not because we're only locked into him for a year. If he doesn't pan out he's gone, simple as that. That was the only move available to the cavs this season, so it's not like we gave up going after someone else for shaq. We got him for "nothing", so it's a win win for us. If he's too old we dump him and go after one of the big free agents in 2010.
Lambruh
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Shaq will retire after this season, he's already stated this. They won't resign him regardless if he played off the charts and didn't retire anyways, there would be no room to resign lebron to his max and another FA There's much more available moves to make this offseason, free agency hasn't even started and there's only 7 teams with cap, 4 of which who aren't looking to spend due to the economy, Cavs being one of the few who have a owner who's willing to go deep into luxury and the only team with a 5m MLE
you'll see a bid off between Detroit, Oklahoma and Cleveland starting Wed. possibly Memphis and Atlanta to but supposedly they're trying to keep budgets down
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you'll see a bid off between Detroit, Oklahoma and Cleveland starting Wed. possibly Memphis and Atlanta to but supposedly they're trying to keep budgets down
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redsamurai
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Lambruh
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redsamurai
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ron ron's on the market? what with yao's carreer being over I'd LOVE to have artest. During the playoffs last year he officially became one of my favorite players ever!!....lol
sounds like charlie v is coing to cleveland doesn't it?
sounds like charlie v is coing to cleveland doesn't it?
now they are "talking" about sheed coming to boston on talk radio here
They are not claiming they are close to signing him or anything, just he says, she says stuff
talk about a crazy defense with KG
Should be a good season with the Celts, Orlando and Cleveland in the east
They are not claiming they are close to signing him or anything, just he says, she says stuff
talk about a crazy defense with KG
Should be a good season with the Celts, Orlando and Cleveland in the east
redsamurai
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sheed is one of my favorite players of all time, but he's lost too much. Not sure Boston should be going after him.